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LSkullD said:
Thank you for being an asshole.

... I'm not being sarcastic, thank you for being an asshole, you had to be because if I didn't I wouldn't realize that the problem was just me.
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No, the problem isn't just you. I got that a lot from the That Guy in my IRL gaming group who complains that the movie is too unrealistic.

Then again, this is the same guy who regularly tells me and my fiancee that we care too much about racism because white people are the real victims of racism and he knows because he was raised as a white guy in Dearborn Michigan and all the muslim kids were mean to him.

You, at least, recognized from the start that you might have been colored in your interpretations by western pop culture's constant portrayal as AAVE as lesser, undignified, and not real english used by bad people.
 
Fivemarks said:
No, the problem isn't just you. I got that a lot from the That Guy in my IRL gaming group who complains that the movie is too unrealistic.

Then again, this is the same guy who regularly tells me and my fiancee that we care too much about racism because white people are the real victims of racism and he knows because he was raised as a white guy in Dearborn Michigan and all the muslim kids were mean to him.

You, at least, recognized from the start that you might have been colored in your interpretations by western pop culture's constant portrayal as AAVE as lesser, undignified, and not real english used by bad people.
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Oh, no, Michael B. Jordan's performance was one of the most shockingly realistic things I've ever seen. It's just that he felt a little too quiet and oddly subtle for a movie about succession crisis in a modern day Afro-futurist super nation where the two main princes dress up in superpowered animu cat person armor that can create sonic shockwaves.

Still, the problem's with me and the fact that I let myself be colored (I'd say the "h" word at the kind of accidental pun, but that just feels off) by the fact that I'm not used to AAVE acting.

Also, if there's just one teensy tiny problem with Black Panther, it's the fact that AAVE is sadly used by the bad guy.

Kinda sucks huh?

Also, that dude sounds like an asshole, why do you even keep him around?
 
LSkullD said:
Oh, no, Michael B. Jordan's performance was one of the most shockingly realistic things I've ever seen. It's just that he felt a little too quiet and oddly subtle for a movie about succession crisis in a modern day Afro-futurist super nation where the two main princes dress up in superpowered animu cat person armor that can create sonic shockwaves.

Still, the problem's with me and the fact that I let myself be colored (I'd say the "h" word at the kind of accidental pun, but that just feels off) by the fact that I'm not used to AAVE acting.

Also, if there's just one teensy tiny problem with Black Panther, it's the fact that AAVE is sadly used by the bad guy.

Kinda sucks huh?

Also, that dude sounds like an asshole, why do you even keep him around?
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Killmonger is a badguy, and his actions are wrongs and his ends would make things worse- but he's also a very good, very well written, and very understandable villain who ranks among the greatest movie villains of all time.
 
Fivemarks said:
Killmonger is a badguy, and his actions are wrongs and his ends would make things worse- but he's also a very good, very well written, and very understandable villain who ranks among the greatest movie villains of all time.
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He's basically the best cinematic version of Magneto we'll ever get, yeah.

Eat shit Hans Gruber. You're great, this guy's better by miles.
 
LSkullD said:
He's basically the best cinematic version of Magneto we'll ever get, yeah.

Eat shit Hans Gruber. You're great, this guy's better by miles.
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he's done better than Magneto in most of the comics. Hell, Killmonger is more of a good guy than Cyclops, and the Avengers (Remember the time the Avengers were okay with Carol Danvers getting mindraped and impregnated by Kang's son?)
 
Fivemarks said:
he's done better than Magneto in most of the comics. Hell, Killmonger is more of a good guy than Cyclops, and the Avengers (Remember the time the Avengers were okay with Carol Danvers getting mindraped and impregnated by Kang's son?)
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I said best, because he's up there with the very best written versions of Magneto in the comics. As an equal.
 
Fivemarks said:
he's done better than Magneto in most of the comics. Hell, Killmonger is more of a good guy than Cyclops, and the Avengers (Remember the time the Avengers were okay with Carol Danvers getting mindraped and impregnated by Kang's son?)
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Remember that time Killmonger planed on starting a race war knowing it would likely end poorly for everyone because he is pissed off?
 
I have strongly mixed opinions on this movie. On the one hand, I fucking love it for inclusiveness and representation of minorities and I hope it's the first of many such movies with strong black heroes.

But dear god the first hour fucking dragged. I loveloveloved the second half going to right before Killmonger shows up but everything before that just...dragged, that's the only way I can put it. Every scene felt three or four minutes too long, and so I'd start engaged in it and then would be kinda sick of it. I feel like Kleue or whatever his name is was completely wasted as a villain, and should have been in a different movie or a spinoff TV series, while it should have lasered in on Killmonger from basically the word go. I also feel like there honestly wasn't enough, like, build up to Tchala's friend betraying him in the end. Like, there wasn't the connection to give it the impact it warranted. I understood what was happening and the magnitude of it, but the dude had so little screentime that it basically meant nothing.

I think the first part of the movie should basically have no Kleu and be all about Tchala, Okoye, and W'Kabi, their history, and what they've done together, and then go right into Killmonger, because I really felt like I was missing a lot about these people and their dynamics and how they work together.
 
I should note that according to Box Office Mojo Black Panther has currently made $1,334,099,954 Worldwide, surpassing Last Jedi and becoming the 9th highest grossing movie of all time. It's probably not gonna catch Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, but at least the fact that it's number 9 means that even when Infinity War passes it, it'll still be in the top 10.
 


If this is true, are we saying that Killmonger actually killed around 3,000 people and bothered to make marks for them all?

That puts a new light on just how deep he was in :V
 
Sumeragi said:


If this is true, are we saying that Killmonger actually killed around 3,000 people and bothered to make marks for them all?

That puts a new light on just how deep he was in :V
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Given that Thor racked up a similar number of enemy dead in 1,500 years of life to N'Dajaka's thirty something, I have to wonder how they were counting his kills. Was he one-handing a HIMARS from the hip or something? Also iirc this qualifies him for demon-hood as per Japanese folk lore :V
 
Claudette Savagely said:
Given that Thor racked up a similar number of enemy dead in 1,500 years of life to N'Dajaka's thirty something, I have to wonder how they were counting his kills. Was he one-handing a HIMARS from the hip or something? Also iirc this qualifies him for demon-hood as per Japanese folk lore :V
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I think Thor either got tricked by Loki into running on Gimli rules and only counting destroying an entire space-ship filled with troops as 1 kill, or he only bothers to count the enemies that gave him a challenge because he can't count high enough to keep track of his real number of kills. I mean I'm pretty sure that just in the few years covered by the MCU movies he's come pretty close to killing as many enemies as his supposed "total" kill count. The Ultron Bots alone...
 
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Mook said:
I think Thor either got tricked by Loki into running on Gimli rules and only counting destroying an entire space-ship filled with troops as 1 kill, or he only bothers to count the enemies that gave him a challenge because he can't count high enough to keep track of his real number of kills. I mean I'm pretty sure that just in the few years covered by the MCU movies he's come pretty close to killing as many enemies as his supposed "total" kill count. The Ultron Bots alone...
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It's a good point, well made.

Now that we have numbers for his kill-scars, it's only further evidence for Erik being the author of the Navy Seals Copypasta, really. He probably dropped an order of magnitude when he composed the original and didn't want to spoil the effect by offering a correction.

Hard to keep track of all those zeroes when you're destabilising more regimes than the Dulles brothers.

Lot of late nights.
 
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