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Gul Damar said:
Fuck. Cannot even imagine someone filming filming Black Panther, Infinity War and Endgame while knowing they have cancer. RIP.

I presume Disney won't recast the part and instead have Shuri become queen sooner in the next movie
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Not to mention getting in and staying in regulation superhero shape whilst undergoing chemo and surgery.

I think that would be the best option.
 
The one thing with Shuri becoming Queen and Black Panther is explaining what happened to T'Chala. It'd be morbid to have him die off-screen but I don't really see a way to do it that would make sense. Marvel has recast parts before, no reason to not do so here.
 
VolantRedX said:
The one thing with Shuri becoming Queen and Black Panther is explaining what happened to T'Chala. It'd be morbid to have him die off-screen but I don't really see a way to do it that would make sense. Marvel has recast parts before, no reason to not do so here.
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Recasting the iconic black star of the franchise could very easily turn into a controversy. You don't want to send the message the black people are interchangeable, after all.

Especially since the old guy in charge explicitly thought that.
 
VolantRedX said:
The one thing with Shuri becoming Queen and Black Panther is explaining what happened to T'Chala. It'd be morbid to have him die off-screen but I don't really see a way to do it that would make sense. Marvel has recast parts before, no reason to not do so here.
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I hope at least that the mess the other big Disney-owned franchise made with trying to keep a deceased actor in the series will deter Marvel from making the same error. Also there might be something of worth in leaning into the loss and making the grieving process part of the story - and I'm sure that came out trite in a way I didn't intend.
 
VolantRedX said:
The one thing with Shuri becoming Queen and Black Panther is explaining what happened to T'Chala. It'd be morbid to have him die off-screen but I don't really see a way to do it that would make sense. Marvel has recast parts before, no reason to not do so here.
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Tony and Pepper's relationship died offscreen and stayed that way for a while while Paltrow was either unavailable or having contract disputes or whatever that was. It having happened was integrated into Civil War. No reason not to treat Boseman's death with at least as much respect as was extended to the Goop lady.
 
Jcogginsa said:
Recasting the iconic black star of the franchise could very easily turn into a controversy. You don't want to send the message the black people are interchangeable, after all.

Especially since the old guy in charge explicitly thought that.
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True but it used to be common to recast heroes in blockbuster films. Batman was played by three different guys in the older films. If done with respect and openness I don't think people would think it's a matter of interchangeable people, just the reality of the situation.

bluntblade said:
I hope at least that the mess the other big Disney-owned franchise made with trying to keep a deceased actor in the series will deter Marvel from making the same error. Also there might be something of worth in leaning into the loss and making the grieving process part of the story - and I'm sure that came out trite in a way I didn't intend.
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The thing is there they didn't recast Leia and just tried to pretend she was there like Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 from Outerspace. Which is sort of what turning Shuri into Black Panther would do since you'd need to write around his character.

Lunatic350 said:
Tony and Pepper's relationship died offscreen and stayed that way for a while while Paltrow was either unavailable or having contract disputes or whatever that was. It having happened was integrated into Civil War. No reason not to treat Boseman's death with at least as much respect as was extended to the Goop lady.
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Pepper is a minor character at best in the MCU. T'Challa is like the biggest name in the MCU at this point. Any explanation for his absence is going to be rather hard to accept as logical. I mean either they have to recast him or he has to die off-screen and him being dead would just feel morbid. Not to mention it'd delay production for a year or more to write a new script. Recasting the part means just using the same script and no wasted time on production.
 
bluntblade said:
I'm just... iffy on the notion of simply replacing Boseman, in all honesty.
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Personally I think it'd be a good way to help a young black actor get exposure and ply their craft instead of just saying "well it's sad Chadwick died, I guess the character must vanish forever. That's the respectful thing to do."
 
Yeah, I'm kind of just... torn on the whole concept.

My guess is that they're going to use the new Doctor Strange Movie to take a hatchet to whatever in MCU Canon that needs altering for the next round of films, so I'm guessing smart money that whatever happens to deal with T'Challa it'll happen there.
 
Black panther is pretty much perfectly set up to be a Legacy Hero, what with being bound to the kinghood of the country rather than the creation of one man.
 
VolantRedX said:
but it used to be common to recast heroes in blockbuster films. Batman was played by three different guys in the older films. If done with respect and openness I don't think people would think it's a matter of interchangeable people, just the reality of the situation.
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Yeah but their tends to be gaps between the movies and each new batman tends to exist in his own franchise.
 
But that was before the days when strict continuity was expected. The only recastings I can think of in the MCU are Bruce Banner (which was such a comprehensive overhaul that I forget there was a Phase 1 Hulk movie) and Rhodey (a mere supporting character then and arguably now).
 
eh, now we're starting to run into cases in the MCU where an actor is cast multiple times as different characters.
 
ChildishChimera said:
Now I'm assuming all 3 guys are james bond when I say this but that franchise has only 2 real constants 1 is that James bond is a english spy 2 he gets sent places by MI6 to British it up. That universe is a lot more maluable with its setting than Marvel is.
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They did have Judi Dench's M carry over between Bonds, but Skyfall shows us the gravestone for his parents so I think that makes the codename theory false.
 
ChildishChimera said:
Now I'm assuming all 3 guys are james bond when I say this but that franchise has only 2 real constants 1 is that James bond is a english spy 2 he gets sent places by MI6 to British it up. That universe is a lot more maluable with its setting than Marvel is.
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None of those actors played James Bond. They're all Batman.




 
Jcogginsa said:
Recasting the iconic black star of the franchise could very easily turn into a controversy. You don't want to send the message the black people are interchangeable, after all.

Especially since the old guy in charge explicitly thought that.
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It's a big difference between recasting them just 'cause and recasting because there is no other choice.

The question is how to do things respectfully. It's a really tough choice.
 
Recasting would basically kill Marvel Studios and the Black Panther Francise's reputation, especially in a post 2020 age.

The best solution is to simply work Boseman's death into the story. T'Challa has several potential heirs by the very concept of the character. Anywhere from Shuri (Lineage), Okoye or M'Baku (Two war heroes with extensive political experiences).

A bit morbid perhaps, but significantly less so than recasting the character.
 
From a cynical POV, Queen Shuri would tick a lot of representation boxes, quite aside from Letitia Wright being excellent and the storytelling possibilities of stepping into a role you were never really meant for.
 
bluntblade said:
From a cynical POV, Queen Shuri would tick a lot of representation boxes, quite aside from Letitia Wright being excellent and the storytelling possibilities of stepping into a role you were never really meant for.
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Yeah that too. The biggest problem is definitely that in universe Shuri hasnt shown much experience in statescraft compared to the other two candidates.
 
bluntblade said:
Which has potential for a story where either she learns or decides it's really not for her.
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What about her feeling the old ways don't work and decides to reform the throne and Wakanda from a place where leadership is still decided in gladiator matches so any asshole strong enough can take power like what happened with Killmonger, to something more progressive like a constitutional monarchy. Which would meet a lot of resistance, and for the ultimate irony you can have Hunter the White Wolf show up as the primary 'Keep Wakanda Traditional' voice.
 
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Gul Damar said:
What about her feeling the old ways don't work and decides to reform the throne and Wakanda from a place where leadership is still decided in gladiator matches so any asshole strong enough can take power like what happened with Killmonger, to something more progressive like a constitutional monarchy. Which would meet a lot of resistance, and for the ultimate irony you can have Hunter the White Wolf show up as the primary 'Keep Wakanda Traditional' voice.
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Isn't M'Baku usually the traditionalist? We've already got a fan favorite in him just waiting to be used as the "loyal opposition" to any progressive leader of Wakanda.
 
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