Salty
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He mentions A Wrinkle In Time and Tomb Raider.
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Perhaps they should have tried a little harder to make Wrinkle not suck then.
Which, are they really tentpoles? One's a kids movie, and Tomb Raider has a sub-100-mil budget.
They're kinda mid-level flicks and Wrinkle might not make money (then again, it might- foreign releases have barely begun), but I'd be surprised if Tomb Raider didn't make at least a minor profit. At one week in release it's world wide take has already passed budget.
BFG, Pan, and Jack the Giant Slayer were all higher budget (140, 150, 190, notably higher than Wrinkle's 104) kids movies that tanked, that approach seems to not work well (to the point I really wonder why they keep doing tentpole budget kids movies!), but they're not exactly direct competition for MCU flicks anyway and it's not a new thing.
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Kinda off topic, but I was watching the Last Jedi and when Kylo is fighting two Pretorians, they do the same move that that Dora Milaje do when facing Killmonger and locking him with their spears.
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I mean, 2 Pac 2 Rim is also pretty clearly targeted at the Chinese market (China loving the first film is basically the only reason we're getting a sequel in the first place), and Black Panther did solid-but-not-remarkable numbers in China ($97 million so far).
Welcome to the multipolar box office, everyone.
Yea, it's quite possible for BP to win everywhere but China, PR to win China, and everyone's happy. PR2 has a smaller budget than PR1 to boot, iirc.
It's not that BP looks to be eating Pacific Rim's budget. I think this piece was a generic "tentpole are dying" piece that happened to be slapped on one of the least-sense-making timeframes to pick.
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Especially since February and March really only became viable times to release big movies about 2 years ago.
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Like him or dislike him - he's a pretty controversial critic - and like or dislike his reviews, you should at least accord Armond White the effort of learning his deal as a critic, instead of just dismissing him. I don't know if I necessarily like him as a person (allegedly he heckled Steven McQueen at the premiere of 12 Years a Slave), but contrarian film critics are interesting reading.
Basically you should always do the opposite of what he says, but the man at least does a solid attempt at backing his contrarianism with some semblance of logic. It's frankly a lot better than your average run of the mill "they went pow pow and there were theeeeeeeeeeeeeeemes" critic review you tend to have most everywhere.
Most reviewers who are worth a damn end up specializing in one or two areas regardless though; you watch RLM for commentary on the craft of film for instance, not for any breakdown of what it means or why the themes are strong.
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Salty
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I see no reason why I should. Everything I cared to know about him or his 'deal as a critic' was on display in his review, which is what was there for me and everybody else to read.
If you think there's something about him that's interesting or worth discussing in relation to his review, feel free to post. As for telling me what I should think, go ahead and fuck off.
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Well, to be quite honest it didn't seem like you'd actually read the review at all, but were instead judging from what had been quoted in the thread.
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I did read the review and much of his argument seemed to be based around rejecting BP for being about the fantastical rather than reality. It's hard not to read his argument as being mad about superhero movies.
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I don't know Armond White from Jesus Christ so I googled him and uh
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His gimmick is applying legitimate critiquing and reviewing techniques to contrary opinions; it's actually pretty interesting and there's a lot of value in understanding why people like these films from a critical point of view
I read it more as people liking BP instead of other movies he'd like them to like.
Regardless, there was very little about the meat of the movie. It just was not a very substantive review.
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There is something to be said about the limits of fantasy to offer practical solutions to real world systemic problems like racism...but it's a fucking superhero movie. It was never going to give us the 500 page manifesto on how to end racism. Criticizing it on those grounds is nonsense.
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And in 36 days, Black Panther has toppled The Avengers to become the highest grossing Superhero film in the United States.
Article: The Disney and Marvel release achieved the milestone on Saturday after passing up fellow Marvel title The Avengers, which grossed $623.4 million in 2012. To boot, Black Panther is only one of seven films to ever earn $600 million or more domestically (it currently ranks No. 6 on the list).
Black Panther has shattered numerous milestones since opening in theaters on Feb. 16.
Globally, the film has earned north of $1.2 billion to date. By the end of Sunday, it will leap past Iron Man 3 ($1.214 billion) to become the third-biggest comic book adaptation behind The Avengers ($1.5 billion) and Avengers: Age of Ultron ($1.4 billion).
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Well, I finally managed to watch this movie. I liked it, it was really good, and I can see why it got the hype it got, but it just didn't click for me like it did for other people. Part of the movie's impact really seems to require a certain emotional and cultural connection that I lack.
The scenery and design were beautiful, all the characters were solid, with my personal favorites being Suri, M'Baku, and Klau. We needed more Klau. Wasn't sad about his death, but could have stood more time with him, he was just delightful.
What really shone for me was all the characters, their relationships, and the nuance of their links to each other and to the nation of Wakanda. Too much to describe, really, but it was great. T'Challa and Suri had an absolutely wonderful sibling relationship, which shone in all their scenes together.
Oddly, I really felt that they used too much English. It kinda felt weird that these isolationist tribes used the language of some of the most notorious Invaders in their saced traditional ceremonies.
I also didn't care for the final battle, which fell far too heavily into Green Lantern territory In terms of animated costumes on a digital background. I think it would have been far more powerful if they had actually been in some processing center or something that totally nullified both suits, to say that this isn't two dudes in black panther costumes fighting, this is a clash between T'Challa and Eric, two men with fundamentally opposig views. It just traded impact and theme for superhero shenanigans, and suffered for it. The death scene was ok, but lacked impact for me that it seemed to expect.
I guess what I'm saying something that, overall, this was a good movie, but not quite one that I feel is great.
The scenery and design were beautiful, all the characters were solid, with my personal favorites being Suri, M'Baku, and Klau. We needed more Klau. Wasn't sad about his death, but could have stood more time with him, he was just delightful.
What really shone for me was all the characters, their relationships, and the nuance of their links to each other and to the nation of Wakanda. Too much to describe, really, but it was great. T'Challa and Suri had an absolutely wonderful sibling relationship, which shone in all their scenes together.
Oddly, I really felt that they used too much English. It kinda felt weird that these isolationist tribes used the language of some of the most notorious Invaders in their saced traditional ceremonies.
I also didn't care for the final battle, which fell far too heavily into Green Lantern territory In terms of animated costumes on a digital background. I think it would have been far more powerful if they had actually been in some processing center or something that totally nullified both suits, to say that this isn't two dudes in black panther costumes fighting, this is a clash between T'Challa and Eric, two men with fundamentally opposig views. It just traded impact and theme for superhero shenanigans, and suffered for it. The death scene was ok, but lacked impact for me that it seemed to expect.
I guess what I'm saying something that, overall, this was a good movie, but not quite one that I feel is great.
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I understand that the target audience of the Black Panther movie is African-Americans and that the goal is to provide catharsis and escape for them in as broadly acceptable a package as possible, but Sudan and somalia are right there next to them in far worse trouble than Oakland.
Also I would be incredibly amused to see examples of Wakandan privilege.
Also I would be incredibly amused to see examples of Wakandan privilege.