- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust (RWBY AU/CKII Villain Quest)
- Thread starter Redshirt Army
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
... and people keep thinking I'm kidding when I mention 3rd Impact.RWBY (duh.)
Various Legends and Fables, too numerous to list exhaustively
C.O.R.E.
Sailor Moon
Touhou Project
Tsukihime/Type-MOON in general
Ar Tonelico/Ciel Nosurge
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Doctor Who
Chronicles of Narnia
Alice in Wonderland
Lord of the Rings
EDIT: And here I thought there'd be JoJo's Bizarre Adventure on here, given how prominent Star Platinum is.
[X]Plan Exploitation
EDIT: Stuff from the sheets.
Krom now has:
Not bad, but not good.
Winter Maiden Artifact, confirmed.
Ozpin now has:
That's his base martial cut nearly in half.
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- Location
- Germany
Mt. Glenn, ready for greatness or disaster?
If this gets done eventually, should we try to protect it or late the Grimm take what is theirs?
Depends on whether or not we were the ones pushing for it and/or if we can use it to boost Beacon's rep.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
I'm thinking not have it done, period, without some major changes. What advantage, what reward, is there is letting Mountain Glenn succeed or fail? If we were to turn it into a super-villain lair of sorts, make it a place where everyone was personally loyal to us, then I could see putting down the money. But the industrial level in Vale is currently fine, so...
DarkLight140
Credit to Team
- Location
- Lost in my thoughts
Have to admit I'm not a huge fan of the Hunt Them Down option. Sure, it's great to put ourselves into the middle of the anti-Royalist task force... but it also means that Vale is devoting a lot of resources to the problem and expecting solid results. I would rather have a Vale which doesn't care about Royalists. To give a line of argument which I believe we could easily push as an in-character narrative in Vale politics...
It's been a decade since the monarchies were deposed, and we've had a Vale rumor mill for most of that time- have Royalists been causing actual trouble? Striking blows against the new government, the populace, or the elites amongst those who deposed them? Have they stockpiled weapons, or been linked to significant underworld activity, or done anything other than run and hide in their holes as they were systematically hunted down, particularly in the last handful of years?
As far as I can tell, they have not. This debacle in Atlas is the first big Royalist move internationally since the war was won and the initial cleanup finished, and as far as anyone can tell, it happened specifically because Atlas deliberately spit on the memory of their former rulers, forcing them out of hiding and into a confrontation in a populated area. Of course everything went wrong- they were deliberately aggravating lingering Royalist forces who would otherwise have continued squatting in the shadows and brooding impotently at their loss of power and prestige.
Vale doesn't need to throw more effort and funding at its anti-Royalist task force. At this point, as far as anyone in Vale can tell, that task force has accomplished and is accomplishing everything that it's supposed to do; to wit, it's stopping any lingering Royalists from causing trouble in Vale. Simply by existing and being good at their job, they're preventing any lingering nobility from causing unrest or any starting up possible stirrings of a Royalist restoration. That's all Vale needs, and anything more is a waste of the public's money.
If Atlas wants to get their people killed and their Hunters crippled by poking a dying bear, then that's their stupidity. Vale should avoid such foolish tactics and censure Team HERO for being dumb enough to join them in it.
It's been a decade since the monarchies were deposed, and we've had a Vale rumor mill for most of that time- have Royalists been causing actual trouble? Striking blows against the new government, the populace, or the elites amongst those who deposed them? Have they stockpiled weapons, or been linked to significant underworld activity, or done anything other than run and hide in their holes as they were systematically hunted down, particularly in the last handful of years?
As far as I can tell, they have not. This debacle in Atlas is the first big Royalist move internationally since the war was won and the initial cleanup finished, and as far as anyone can tell, it happened specifically because Atlas deliberately spit on the memory of their former rulers, forcing them out of hiding and into a confrontation in a populated area. Of course everything went wrong- they were deliberately aggravating lingering Royalist forces who would otherwise have continued squatting in the shadows and brooding impotently at their loss of power and prestige.
Vale doesn't need to throw more effort and funding at its anti-Royalist task force. At this point, as far as anyone in Vale can tell, that task force has accomplished and is accomplishing everything that it's supposed to do; to wit, it's stopping any lingering Royalists from causing trouble in Vale. Simply by existing and being good at their job, they're preventing any lingering nobility from causing unrest or any starting up possible stirrings of a Royalist restoration. That's all Vale needs, and anything more is a waste of the public's money.
If Atlas wants to get their people killed and their Hunters crippled by poking a dying bear, then that's their stupidity. Vale should avoid such foolish tactics and censure Team HERO for being dumb enough to join them in it.
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Good luck with that last part. You'll need it.
Cecylene
Eternal Idea Engine
- Location
- Massachusetts
- Pronouns
- He/They
I am perfectly fine with the SDC actions, they all make sense.
As a question, @Redshirt Army has Atlas been putting forward hardware upgrades like this every Vytal Festival and we should still fine or would we know via any contacts in Atlas and Weyland that this is an actual Overhaul to the CCT system that might put our information control at risk?
I ask because the one different preference I have when it comes to Vale Policy is to go for the CCT Upgrades, since Cheshire previously (Turn 4) tried to push her upgrades onto the system but we were rebuffed as the idea of the CCT needing such a drastic overhaul was considered "unnecessary," so we had to settle for some minor ugrades. Now's our chance to push a Cheshire Industries upgrade to the CCT once more.
The relevant section from that turn and the results,
I'm somewhat interested in being able to get and keep our claws as far into everything to do with the CCT as possible.
I'm not averse to the idea of doing Educational Outreach and Hunt Them Down instead of Upgrades and Hunt Them Down but I'm just slightly concerned about the repercussions of letting Atlas make these upgrades since they've just been hit by Wrachiod Krom this hard and they know that she was the one who designed the basics of the CCT system. This is the Vytal Festival turn so unfortunately we aren't going to get another turn to think about this before Atlas puts their idea forward, and I'm just not sure whether this is something that would keep up the Status Quo or risk altering our ability to eavesdrop.
EDIT: Now that @DarkLight140 put their rather well interesting two cents in, I'd also be fine with doing Educational Outreach and Upgrades as well.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
None of Atlas' proposed changes up till now would have changed the system beyond your ability to control. That said...
...yeah, that. You'd have access to the documentation necessary to maintain subversion either way, but pushing your own hardware would do away with a lot of difficulties that might crop up, if not now then later.
...yeah, that. You'd have access to the documentation necessary to maintain subversion either way, but pushing your own hardware would do away with a lot of difficulties that might crop up, if not now then later.
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Cecylene
Eternal Idea Engine
- Location
- Massachusetts
- Pronouns
- He/They
Which is what has me actually concerned.
DarkLight140
Credit to Team
- Location
- Lost in my thoughts
Yeah, we're definitely going to want Upgrades on our action choices, given that.
To have the best of those teams run off on their own and have some of their members seriously injured on (what can be spun as) Atlas' foolishness? Particularly when they specifically did not work through Vale's own government, who has well-thought-of organizations who do similar things? Someone needs to take the blame, and while Atlas certainly deserves the lion's share, the team wouldn't have gotten hurt- and thereby wounded both a military asset of Vale's and Vale's prestige in the public mind thanks to a high-profile failure of some of their lauded best- unless they made the call to run off and do so.
Can we make everyone in Vale think that way? Of course not. But we can make enough of them think that way that they can stand up and demand it in a political arena and be voted down rather than laughed out of the room.
As I said, that was intended as the sort of narrative that we could push in-character. When high-profile military disasters happen, people- including politicians- are always eager to blame someone for it. In this case, Vale has cause to have a significant amount of pride in their elite Hunter teams, whose capability is exemplified by their wins in the international tournaments.
To have the best of those teams run off on their own and have some of their members seriously injured on (what can be spun as) Atlas' foolishness? Particularly when they specifically did not work through Vale's own government, who has well-thought-of organizations who do similar things? Someone needs to take the blame, and while Atlas certainly deserves the lion's share, the team wouldn't have gotten hurt- and thereby wounded both a military asset of Vale's and Vale's prestige in the public mind thanks to a high-profile failure of some of their lauded best- unless they made the call to run off and do so.
Can we make everyone in Vale think that way? Of course not. But we can make enough of them think that way that they can stand up and demand it in a political arena and be voted down rather than laughed out of the room.
This... is not something we want to personally suggest. It's to aggressive, and to likely to simply paint a target on out back. even if that chance in miniscule. best to arrange for someone else that can't be connected to us to bring it up, and then support it unless there is massive backlash.
- Location
- Germany
[X] Plan Communication is power
[X] Dust Refinement
[X] Grinning Collosus
[X] Hand In Hand
[X] Pattern Recognition, Part 5
[X] Educational Outreach
[X] Upgrades
[X] Dust Refinement
[X] Grinning Collosus
[X] Hand In Hand
[X] Pattern Recognition, Part 5
[X] Educational Outreach
[X] Upgrades
Pathetic King
"I Speak To The Audient Void."
- Location
- Colorado
[X] Plan Exploitation
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Hm. I have edited my plan to replace Hunt Them Down with Upgrades.
I'm with TerrisH. This is a bad idea. Especially since Huntsmen are supposed to act on their own initiative, able to choose their loyalties as they see fit. They are not a military asset of Vale. Shouting that very concept down, which is what you're heavy-handedly doing, is only going to hurt ourselves.
- Location
- ?
[ ] Shnee gonna Shnee
[ ] Taking care of our Turf
Made it two plans.
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[X]Plan Exploitation
[ ] Scouting
Success on 30/60/90. Reward: New, extreme-depth Dust veins located in accessible territories. Increased profits.
[ ] Grinning Collosus
Success on 20/40/70. Reward: Take a page from Cheshire's Book. Offload some research expeditures onto Atlas Academy.
[ ] Hand In Hand
Success on 10/40/60. Reward: Increased influence with Atlas council. Reduced oversight.
[ ] Pattern Recognition, Part 5
Success on 10/30/100. Reward: Additional dust combination ratios researched.
Success on 30/60/90. Reward: New, extreme-depth Dust veins located in accessible territories. Increased profits.
[ ] Grinning Collosus
Success on 20/40/70. Reward: Take a page from Cheshire's Book. Offload some research expeditures onto Atlas Academy.
[ ] Hand In Hand
Success on 10/40/60. Reward: Increased influence with Atlas council. Reduced oversight.
[ ] Pattern Recognition, Part 5
Success on 10/30/100. Reward: Additional dust combination ratios researched.
[ ] Taking care of our Turf
[ ] Educational Outreach
Beacon and Haven are cooperating more than ever, and both of those Academies are highly involved in the construction of Shade. You could attempt to fight against this tide... or you could embrace it, and seek to bring Atlas into the fold, and establish a Consortium of sorts, so that information can be freely shared amongst all of Remnants top researchers.
[ ] Upgrades
The CCT network is approaching nearly a decade of usage, and technology has made staggering advances since that time. So far, any hardware upgrades to the system have been deferred, but under the understanding that the time to move forward only drew closer with each passing year. Instead of placidly accepting Atlas' plans during the next Vytal Meeting, make a push to advance Vales reputation by having your own blueprints drafted by that time.
Beacon and Haven are cooperating more than ever, and both of those Academies are highly involved in the construction of Shade. You could attempt to fight against this tide... or you could embrace it, and seek to bring Atlas into the fold, and establish a Consortium of sorts, so that information can be freely shared amongst all of Remnants top researchers.
[ ] Upgrades
The CCT network is approaching nearly a decade of usage, and technology has made staggering advances since that time. So far, any hardware upgrades to the system have been deferred, but under the understanding that the time to move forward only drew closer with each passing year. Instead of placidly accepting Atlas' plans during the next Vytal Meeting, make a push to advance Vales reputation by having your own blueprints drafted by that time.
Made it two plans.
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DarkLight140
Credit to Team
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- Lost in my thoughts
Of course we don't want to be personally linked to it- after all, the person in charge of the anti-Royalist task force needs to look like a staunch anti-Royalist, and pushing for limiting the scope of their activity goes against that narrative.
Fortunately, as I recall we have a lot of indirect and difficult to trace influence in Vale politics and media in addition to our public persona. It shouldn't be at all difficult to find someone else to say whatever we want said.
TerrisH didn't actually call it a bad idea, if you'll read what you quoted. They said that it should be done indirectly, which I agree with and (perhaps foolishly) considered too obvious to note as a necessity.
If Huntsmen aren't considered nationally-aligned military assets, why is the nation the one paying to train them? Isn't Beacon publicly funded? Do the kingdoms operate on the principle that if they keep training enough people to be badass, they'll naturally do the right thing? That seems insane. It could easily result in losing half the expensively-trained hunters you make to another kingdom for reasons like "the weather's better, so I'd rather live there", which is no way to run a force vital to the welfare of the populace.
Note that I'm not saying you're wrong about Hunters being able to choose their own loyalties, as that's a bit of setting lore, but it seems rampantly illogical.
In any case, it hardly matters- the quest structure doesn't allow for the kind of flavor being spun here as it's too rigid. It could happen the way I'm imagining, or any of a thousand other ways; we'll never see it either way.
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Take it up with Roosterteeth, I'm just the guy reminding you of how shit works. Also, Individuality and ties to the Great War.
That is how Remnant, and this quest's interpretation of it, works. We all have to play by those rules. If you don't like them, then you're just going to have to learn to roll with it.
Cecylene
Eternal Idea Engine
- Location
- Massachusetts
- Pronouns
- He/They
[X]Plan Exploitation
A fun idea of what kind of speech could be used to lock in Upgrades and Educational Outreach.
"Atlas has held near absolute power over the CCT network for a decade with the solemn and respectful nature that such a duty deserves. It is only right that, in the spirit that Atlas gave the world the CCT technology that we finally contribute to the duty of cooperation and sharing that the CCT itself fosters. So, today we would like to extend both our own upgrades, designed by the greatest minds in Vale, and a proposal to bring all four Hunter Academies together into the Consortium Academiarum to further bring all of Remnant together for the betterment of all Humanity. The overview we have laid out has already been discussed with the Heads of Haven and Beacon as well as the Council of Vacuo but it would be an incomplete and fruitless endeavor if we did not have the first to open their research and technology to the world without asking for anything in return.
So today we ask, will the people of Atlas accept our offer of help in the workshop of the future that they have labored alone in for so long?"
A fun idea of what kind of speech could be used to lock in Upgrades and Educational Outreach.
"Atlas has held near absolute power over the CCT network for a decade with the solemn and respectful nature that such a duty deserves. It is only right that, in the spirit that Atlas gave the world the CCT technology that we finally contribute to the duty of cooperation and sharing that the CCT itself fosters. So, today we would like to extend both our own upgrades, designed by the greatest minds in Vale, and a proposal to bring all four Hunter Academies together into the Consortium Academiarum to further bring all of Remnant together for the betterment of all Humanity. The overview we have laid out has already been discussed with the Heads of Haven and Beacon as well as the Council of Vacuo but it would be an incomplete and fruitless endeavor if we did not have the first to open their research and technology to the world without asking for anything in return.
So today we ask, will the people of Atlas accept our offer of help in the workshop of the future that they have labored alone in for so long?"
- Location
- Germany
They propably do expect huntsmen to work as huntsmen, killing Grimm and protecting people for a sufficiently long time to repay their education.
But I doubt they can influence where and how.
Pathetic King
"I Speak To The Audient Void."
- Location
- Colorado
I like it. It paints us as a benevolent visionary and makes Atlas look like a bunch of assholes if they refuse.
- Location
- Rivendell
[X]Plan Exploitation
Cecylene
Eternal Idea Engine
- Location
- Massachusetts
- Pronouns
- He/They
It's more that the various Governments likely are willing to prop up the other academies, like we're doing for Shade and Vacuo, in the hope that they'll have enough Huntsman to make any headway or difference against the Grimm anywhere. Every one of the Councils know that against the Grimm they seem to be losing a War that's gone on for all of history, they've never been stronger and they're still trapped within four Kingdoms far from any of the others.
Paying through the nose for any sense of security to reassure the populace is the name of the game, the freedom of choice is both part of their culture as well as a very big carrot to bring in people to the Academies so that they can be registered and trained enough to have any chance of making a difference instead of going off half-cocked and possibly getting themselves killed before they can become strong enough to make any difference.
So what if it's in Atlas, Mistral, Vacuo, or Vale? The four Kingdoms pretty much live by the adage, "We must indeed all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
So any of the Kingdoms helping another Kingdom is considered a good thing, regardless of who footed that particular Huntsman's bill in the first place.
It's not a great idea, but it's the best one they have so far and the ideology that the Academies foster is a very good way of getting Huntsman to Hunt and to stick around out of the sense of Obligation to their friends and family.
But also, remember that Phyrra used to live in Mistral and ended up going to Beacon instead of Haven for some reason. I assume that if it's thought that you'll want to work somewhere else long-term that the Kingdoms will shuffle students around to where they're going to want to end up stationed long-term before the student starts at one of the Academies.
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