I'll be holding this very important vote open for a while yet.

Unless, of course, you guys decide to give me a little extra discussion... I am so not above bribing with update speed.
 
I can't really talk about anything more without someone to talk to.

The biggest thing is that I don't know what people's future plans really are. Are we staying flexible? Are we making a good faith honest effort to stay in the Morian league? Are we definitely intending to jump ship to the Vednians at the slightest provocation? There are different marriage picks for each situation.

@Powerofmind How strong are our current trade ties with the rest of the Morian league right now and how down from historical highs is that, if at all?
 
@Powerofmind How strong are our current trade ties with the rest of the Morian league right now and how down from historical highs is that, if at all?
Things are up in the air. Trade, even in this era, takes a lot of effort to manage properly, and it's not something every ruler will bother to put a hand in directly, so most of it ends up being private ventures that you happen to have import/export taxes on.

That said, City-States are comparatively self-sufficient entities and have less need to buy from out-of-holding, and their trade isn't super amazing if they're not bordering the open ocean to begin with. You won't see much extra benefit unless you put together some roadways, no matter how you decide to swear your allegiances.
 
Things are up in the air. Trade, even in this era, takes a lot of effort to manage properly, and it's not something every ruler will bother to put a hand in directly, so most of it ends up being private ventures that you happen to have import/export taxes on.

That said, City-States are comparatively self-sufficient entities and have less need to buy from out-of-holding, and their trade isn't super amazing if they're not bordering the open ocean to begin with. You won't see much extra benefit unless you put together some roadways, no matter how you decide to swear your allegiances.
We are on the inland sea based on the map, right? Is that doing much for us right now?

And I was also looking to confirm that there hadn't been a concerted effort to stack up taxes on us by the other rulers, which it doesn't sound like.
 
We are on the inland sea based on the map, right? Is that doing much for us right now?

And I was also looking to confirm that there hadn't been a concerted effort to stack up taxes on us by the other rulers, which it doesn't sound like.
No, there's nothing like that going on. Trade is trade, and necessities can't be taxed into oblivion. The League is strongly considering a 'punitive fee' for your heathen religious following, however.
 
The biggest thing is that I don't know what people's future plans really are. Are we staying flexible? Are we making a good faith honest effort to stay in the Morian league? Are we definitely intending to jump ship to the Vednians at the slightest provocation? There are different marriage picks for each situation.
The thing is that making standing future plans now is hard because things are so uncertain atm. It would be preferable to stay in Morian league, but if the other cities actually put up that "religion tax", it would pretty surely force us to jump ship. Unlike in FaSE or ABA, this is a lot more political husbando-war than trying to choose the one whose most capable and works best with our MC.
No, there's nothing like that going on. Trade is trade, and necessities can't be taxed into oblivion. The League is strongly considering a 'punitive fee' for your heathen religious following, however.
Hold on, since all the other cities in Morian league are Scions, then how come Pankratius is Progenitorist? Or is being a cousin far enough relation to a king that his religion doesn't matter?
 
The thing is that making standing future plans now is hard because things are so uncertain atm. It would be preferable to stay in Morian league, but if the other cities actually put up that "religion tax", it would pretty surely force us to jump ship. Unlike in FaSE or ABA, this is a lot more political husbando-war than trying to choose the one whose most capable and works best with our MC.

Hold on, since all the other cities in Morian league are Scions, then how come Pankratius is Progenitorist? Or is being a cousin far enough relation to a king that his religion doesn't matter?
That was an error. He should totally be Scion. >.>
 
What is the expected opinion of our people and courtiers if we choose a husbando who is not a Progenitorist?
About as bad as picking Sable as Gerhard, I.E. not that bad.
Adhoc vote count started by Powerofmind on Jul 12, 2017 at 7:14 AM, finished with 550 posts and 5 votes.

  • [X] Acadia of Lanta - Third Son of the Islanders' queen Sedea, Acadia is a prime candidate for marriage. Sedea, more a petty Queen than a proper one, is seeking allies among the Nikeans against Mistralan incursion into the Lantian inland sea. Going against Lantian tradition of isolation and maintaining the integrity of the dynasty's successors, Sedea is much more willing to acquiesce to marrying Acadia under your name. Lantian nobility is very closed off, only marrying from outsiders into their closed circle every so many years to refresh the blood of the line, so the opportunity to benefit from generations of careful selection is difficult to pass up.
    [X] Ferva Harridan - Son of an eclectic Valesian Lord, Ferva would be quite the unusual figure in a Nikean court, his pale complexion and square features an exotic juxtaposition to the typically tanned and rounded faces of your Nikean brethren. Lord Harridan, Ferva's father, has had his praises sung far and wide in hopes of attracting a good wife, though Ferva's position in succession is low enough that he would be amenable to a matrilineal marriage. You have heard much from Lord Harridan's presenters, going into needless detail of Ferva's fineness of feature and talent for business
    [X] Acadia of Lanta
    [X] Pankratius Vettum
    [X] Acadia
 
Please specify the problems. The current rulers mostly don't like us, so that's not really a positive.
Imagine you are an immigrant who just recently became a citizen. You need to find a job, but you don't have the network of contacts that a naturalized citizen has. Your mind turns back to the old country, where you had a job, a home, a life.

Then you remember why you left the old country and you then head to Home Depot. At least you can find a job there.

I say we try to make the league work, but the instant the tax happens, we jump ship.
 
Imagine you are an immigrant who just recently became a citizen. You need to find a job, but you don't have the network of contacts that a naturalized citizen has. Your mind turns back to the old country, where you had a job, a home, a life.

Then you remember why you left the old country and you then head to Home Depot. At least you can find a job there.

I say we try to make the league work, but the instant the tax happens, we jump ship.
Except city states are all greatly self-contained, so this doesn't apply. We would be wealth creators leaving a country with unfavorable laws and going to one that has low corporate tax rates. We're not immigrants looking for a job.
 
Please specify the problems. The current rulers mostly don't like us, so that's not really a positive.
Imagine you are an immigrant who just recently became a citizen. You need to find a job, but you don't have the network of contacts that a naturalized citizen has. Your mind turns back to the old country, where you had a job, a home, a life.

Then you remember why you left the old country and you then head to Home Depot. At least you can find a job there.

I say we try to make the league work, but the instant the tax happens, we jump ship.
Pretty much what Raiu said, but I'd include the reactions of our people wo might not be happy with the change and possibility of our previous league members resenting us even more, which might cause problems. At the moment most of them seem to be mostly neutral towards us.
 
Except city states are all greatly self-contained, so this doesn't apply. We would be wealth creators leaving a country with unfavorable laws and going to one that has low corporate tax rates. We're not immigrants looking for a job.
Its more the spirit of the work, rather than the content. What I was saying is leaving the league would put us in a position where our current web of contacts no longer applies, meaning we would need to forge new ties, and such.

There would need to be a good reason for doing so, and the religion tax is a good one.
 
Pretty much what Raiu said, but I'd include the reactions of our people wo might not be happy with the change and possibility of our previous league members resenting us even more, which might cause problems. At the moment most of them seem to be mostly neutral towards us.
3 hate or strongly dislike us as-is and 4 are neutral-at-best. Wouldn't really characterize that as mostly neutral. Two of the ones who are negative to us aren't really going to get any worse for leaving.
 
3 hate or strongly dislike us as-is and 4 are neutral-at-best. Wouldn't really characterize that as mostly neutral. Two of the ones who are negative to us aren't really going to get any worse for leaving.
Two don't like us, two are neutral and three are unknown, most likely ranging from -1 to 1, aka neutral.
 
And above, ladies and gentlemen, you see prime examples of a pessimist and an optimist. Which one is correct? Only a single person knows, and he is still bound by the law of averages.
 
Two don't like us, two are neutral and three are unknown, most likely ranging from -1 to 1, aka neutral.
Gandymus is technically unknown but we know enough actually about him just based on dynasty + another recent negative that we know he dislikes us. Saying that he most likely ranges from -1 to 1 is disingenuous at best.
 
Gandymus is technically unknown but we know enough actually about him just based on dynasty + another recent negative that we know he dislikes us. Saying that he most likely ranges from -1 to 1 is disingenuous at best.
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know yet for sure.
 
The problem with constantly planning for failure, is what do you do when things go right? If some idiots want to impose some sort of religious tax on us, and we can't talk or threaten our way to a more reasonable solution, we can leave. Hopefully taking some like minded folks from the league. We can form our own league.

We can call it the Premiere League.

[X] Acadia
It's a choice between Acadia and Aleph, so I'll go with my gut. Everyone knows your best thinking comes from the gut.
 
The problem with constantly planning for failure, is what do you do when things go right? If some idiots want to impose some sort of religious tax on us, and we can't talk or threaten our way to a more reasonable solution, we can leave. Hopefully taking some like minded folks from the league. We can form our own league.
It's called contingency planning. You plan for failure and hope for success. When things go right, that's great, it means you didn't need your hedge. Sometimes you can recover your insurance or still exists, sometimes you can't, but you still need to pay it if you are being vaguely responsible.
 
Back
Top