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Army of Liberty: a Fantasy Revolutionary Warfare Quest

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cavalry up a bit, not to charge the enemy. But to have them just act spooky on the Von Wachenheim flank and make him hesitate. Also I think it's very likely that Von Wachenhein will have all his visible infantry and maybe one of his artillery fire on the retreating hussars. I don't think he will attack unless he has most of his infantry acting in support, so we have a bit more time before his attack fully begins.
 
Honestly at this point, the fact that he's already seemingly spooked is the problem? Though also a problem for him? Yes, his caution in not doing anything startled us, but he also, like.

Lacks the actual ability to win if he doesn't fucking close the distance? Which is why all of us predicted he'd do that, because sure it'd let us get some good hits on him, but if he wants to get good hits on us he has to actually do something.
 
NSchwerte said:
@Red Rationalist

do you think it is a good idea to move our infantry into medium range plains artillery range?

Even if they are hidden atm so cant be shot at, once they engage they are going to get pummeled so well have to move them back once they are shooting anyway
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Could you be a bit more specific? A lot of our infantry would be in med. range of the enemy artillery, but most of those would either be in cover (woods, village) or halflings, who impose a disadvantage for any ranged attack. I also don't think we can win in general without our line being in range of the enemy artillery.
 
The Laurent said:
Honestly at this point, the fact that he's already seemingly spooked is the problem? Though also a problem for him? Yes, his caution in not doing anything startled us, but he also, like.

Lacks the actual ability to win if he doesn't fucking close the distance? Which is why all of us predicted he'd do that, because sure it'd let us get some good hits on him, but if he wants to get good hits on us he has to actually do something.
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When the fight begins, we could use the threat of our cavalry to try to have the enemy units brace or ready fire for a nonexistent charge. And have them not focus on shooting or doing something useful.
 
Red Rationalist said:
Could you be a bit more specific? A lot of our infantry would be in med. range of the enemy artillery, but most of those would either be in cover (woods, village) or halflings, who impose a disadvantage for any ranged attack. I also don't think we can win in general without our line being in range of the enemy artillery.
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I mean the 251th whose in the south and doesn't get the advantage from either cover or the Halfling trait
 
NSchwerte said:
I mean the 251th whose in the south and doesn't get the advantage from either cover or the Halfling trait
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As I explained, I'm planning to move them further south, behind the hill next turn. From there they can put pressure on the advancing infantry. At the end of next turn, they decently protected and the most of the enemy canons will probably be busy shooting the northern line anyways.
 
Red Rationalist said:
As I explained, I'm planning to move them further south, behind the hill next turn. From there they can put pressure on the advancing infantry. At the end of next turn, they decently protected and the most of the enemy canons will probably be busy shooting the northern line anyways.
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West of the hill is still in range of the enemy artillery, so either they have to move through the woods where they'll be unable to assist for 3+ turns or they'll shoot north only to get hit back in return while the enemy artillery only has -20 attack.

I dont think the artillery will be shooting at the northern line with -40 attack when they could attack in the south for -20 attack instead

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Visualization of the enemy artillery's Medium Range (I gave up on the southern edge of the dwarves' range because it's hard and doesn't matter). Mostly posting to make sure we don't accidentally try to form up an infantry line in the overlapping field of fire for the 75th and 61st.
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NSchwerte said:
I dont think the artillery will be shooting at the northern line with -40 attack when they could attack in the south for -20 attack instead
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The southern tip of the line also matters far less. I don't think they will be trying to take shots at one unit in the south when we are making it abundantly clear they need to break trough in the north, or face constant artillery flanking.
 
Red Rationalist said:
The southern tip of the line also matters far less. I don't think they will be trying to take shots at one unit in the south when we are making it abundantly clear they need to break trough in the north, or face constant artillery flanking.
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I guess I disagree?

Reducing pressure from the south will be very valuable to their efforts and if the 251st doesn't go south it'll be a reserve unit for the northern front
 
NSchwerte said:
I guess I disagree?

Reducing pressure from the south will be very valuable to their efforts and if the 251st doesn't go south it'll be a reserve unit for the northern front
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Not in my opinion. The actual combat happens around the north, since that is very both the roads and the forward artillery position is. Whereas the south just consists of muddy terrain, which you need to slowly move across to get to the enemy. The south is the last position that will actually see combat, so I don't forsee the enemy using shots there instead of softening up our position for the artillery push.
 
Red Rationalist said:
Not in my opinion. The actual combat happens around the north, since that is very both the roads and the forward artillery position is. Whereas the south just consists of muddy terrain, which you need to slowly move across to get to the enemy. The south is the last position that will actually see combat, so I don't forsee the enemy using shots there instead of softening up our position for the artillery push.
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But if the south doesnt matter and wont see much combat why are we sending a valuable hob unit there instead of holding it in reserve for the north?
 
NSchwerte said:
But if the south doesnt matter and wont see much combat why are we sending a valuable hob unit there instead of holding it in reserve for the north?
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Holding them in reserve get's us nothing unless one of our units is routed, which isn't all that likely. Bringing them south potentially get's us an attack from the flank. And I disagree with the idea that hobs are valuable - they are charging specialists, but you can't charge at this map unless you are directly on the road. On this map they don't bring a lot to the table.
 
Red Rationalist said:
Holding them in reserve get's us nothing unless one of our units is routed, which isn't all that likely. Bringing them south potentially get's us an attack from the flank. And I disagree with the idea that hobs are valuable - they are charging specialists, but you can't charge at this map unless you are directly on the road. On this map they don't bring a lot to the table.
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Hobs get boni to melee, which is whats going to happen in the north. And thinking that our units are not getting routed is a bit overconfident i feel, they can concentrate attacks from 3 infantry and 2 artillery on the 148th
 
NSchwerte said:
Hobs get boni to melee, which is whats going to happen in the north. And thinking that our units are not getting routed is a bit overconfident i feel, they can concentrate attacks from 3 infantry and 2 artillery on the 148th
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Yeah, but melee is going to happen very late, with a lot of the battle being decided by artillery fire and muskets. As for routing the 148th, then we would simply move up the 72nd and the 45th, maintaing the line. Additionally, I don't think concentrated fire against the 148th will have that much of an effect - any fire they take is at a -40 due to terrain and distance, and they have 21 morale. Lowering their morale by 8 for 3 consecutive turns is pretty tough order.
 
Red Rationalist said:
Yeah, but melee is going to happen very late, with a lot of the battle being decided by artillery fire and muskets. As for routing the 148th, then we would simply move up the 72nd and the 45th, maintaing the line. Additionally, I don't think concentrated fire against the 148th will have that much of an effect - any fire they take is at a -40 due to terrain and distance, and they have 21 morale. Lowering their morale by 8 for 3 consecutive turns is pretty tough order.
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Wait, why do you think that there will be a lot of musket fire? this turn both sides are just bracing their infantry and next turn theyll be forced to charge us, theres no real space for musket fire
 
NSchwerte said:
Wait, why do you think that there will be a lot of musket fire? this turn both sides are just bracing their infantry and next turn theyll be forced to charge us, theres no real space for musket fire
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Because shooting the enemy at medium distance is faster than spending 2 turns moving into melee range.
 
Anyways, I think I have explained my repositioning of the 251th Hobs enough, with no alternate suggestions forthcoming. Might as well start the vote.

-[X] Plan Preparing To Slaughter
-[X] Visualization
-[X] 10th Hum. Art. Fire 20th Dwa
-[X] 5th Hob. H. Art. Fire 20th Dwa
-[X] 19th Half. Pfd. Rapid Move E, Fire 20th Dwa
-[X] 31st Elv, Art.: Ready Fire [NE,E] Medium Range
-[X] 84th Elv, Art.: Ready Fire [NE,E] Medium Range
-[X] 251th Hob.: Move SE,SW
-[X] 200th Hob. Fire (2*E of your position)
-[X] 72nd Hum.: Ready Fire [E] Medium Range
-[X] 148th Hum. Ready Fire [E] Medium Range
-[X] 42nd Elv. Resupply 5th Hob. H. Art. [Transfer 2 Munitions]
-[X] 16th Half. Move E
-[X] 45th Elv. Resupply 42nd [Transfer 2 Munitions]
-[X] 28th Half. Pfd. Move E,E (go last)
-[X] 55th Elv. Hsrs: [-] (Routing)
-[X] 108th Elv. Hsr. Move SW,SW,SE
-[X] 13th Hob. Lan. Move W
 
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I tired to fill in info for enemy units as best I could. [?] in brackets means that I not 100% confidents on the numbers. For total munitions I assumed that they are the same as ours. When the 90th Elv routed I assumed the other units that dropped cohesion were the Nymphs and the 93rd Elv. This doesn't account for HQ supplying munitions to artillery.
@Photomajig For this round, the nymphs movement number is absent.
Unit
XP
Str.Coh.
Att.
Mun.
Spl.
Con.
Spt.
Mov.
EquipmentTraitsCO
Lie 1st Hum HsrTrained500/500?/15+0?3?3?9SabresHuman
Cavalry		?
Lie 2nd Hum HsrTrained500/500?/15+0?3?3?9SabresHuman
Cavalry		?
Gal 14th Half JägRegular1000/1000?/12+10??5?3?3Falke Rifle
Bayonets		Halfling?
Gal 20th Half JägRegular1000/1000?/12+10??5?3?3Falke Rifle
Bayonets		Halfling?
Dau 86th ElvTrained1000/1000?/11+0??3?5?3Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		Elven?
Dau 90th ElvTrained859/10000/11-107[?]/8[?]
(Ruined Munitions Round 2)		?353Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		ElvenCareless
Dau 93th ElvTrained1000/100010[?]/11+0??3?5?3Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		Elven?
Bil 15th DwaTrained1000/1000?/18+0??3?3?3Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		Dwarven?
Bil 20th DwaTrained990/100017/18+0??333Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		DwarvenMaverick
Daur 14th HumTrained1000/1000?/15+08/10[?]?333Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		HumanDefensive Genius
Eng 177th HumTrained1000/1000?/15+0??3?3?3Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		Human?
Eng 100th DwaTrained1000/1000?/18+0??3?3?3Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		Dwarven?
Eng 102nd DwaTrained962/100015/18+0??353Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		DwarvenWatchful
Mrk Nym RngProfessional988/100011[?]/13+20??333Erlkönig Musket
Bayonets		NymphFeared
61st Elv ArtRegular50/50?/12+102/8[?]?351Field ArtilleryElven
Artillery		Careless
75th Elv ArtRegular50/50?/12+106/10[?]?351Field ArtilleryElven
Artillery		Offensive Genius
Dwa Vol ArtTrained50/50?/18+06/10[?]?331Field ArtilleryDwarven
Artillery		Maverick
Bayonets, Sabres: Wounding +0
Erlkönig Musket: Wounding +0, Range 100m/200m/400m
Falke Rifle: Wounding +1, Range 100m/300m/500m
Field Artillery: Wounding 3, Range 200m/700m/1400m
 
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NSchwerte said:
but the infantry isnt on open field. we are in forest/village cover?
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I'm talking about the enemy infantry. I don't think they will stay in the current position and keep taking 2 of our artillery attacks against the dwarves. Wachenheim can't win the ranged battle, so his units will try to close the distance for melee. For this to be possible, they will likely attempt to soften the village up with an artillery barrage, rather than trying to shot a unit at the southern end that is still 2 turns of movement away from seeing combat. So we will we use a lot of musket fire against the arriving enemy, since they can only charge us in northeastern end of the line. The enemy might try to melee, but this just brings them in range for more of artillery. Fore these reasons I think Wachenheim will focus fire on the strong part of our front, the human divisions in the lazaret, rather than spending several shots routing a unit that is literally auxiliary.
 
Red Rationalist said:
I'm talking about the enemy infantry. I don't think they will stay in the current position and keep taking 2 of our artillery attacks against the dwarves. Wachenheim can't win the ranged battle, so his units will try to close the distance for melee. For this to be possible, they will likely attempt to soften the village up with an artillery barrage, rather than trying to shot a unit at the southern end that is still 2 turns of movement away from seeing combat. So we will we use a lot of musket fire against the arriving enemy, since they can only charge us in northeastern end of the line. The enemy might try to melee, but this just brings them in range for more of artillery. Fore these reasons I think Wachenheim will focus fire on the strong part of our front, the human divisions in the lazaret, rather than spending several shots routing a unit that is literally auxiliary.
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Indeed, the enemy infantry will try closing in on us in the north, because shooting wont work and they cant stand where they are because of the 5th. During this closing in we will be shooting at them with muskets and the 251th will still be hidden and walking around to the south, so they cant be shot at by artillery, who will be shooting at our retreating cavalry first and whatever they can find after that. probably our northern line?

Once they are close enough in the north theyll charge our line and concentrate as much melee on one of our unit as possible, supporting that push with artillery fire because even if it deals like 10 casualties each turn they want to get through as soon as possible and get to the 5th.

But if the 251st shoots from the south theyll presumably be damaging important enemy units(because if not, why put them there?), so shooting at it may not directly pressure the lazaret but it will relieve pressure on the enemy line and prevents us from rolling it up from the south and they double their damage output against them instead of firing at the north (AnyDice).

OTOH, if the 251st is in the north, it will act as reserve if the enemy does manage to rout part of our frontline. Our frontline will only be routing after the enemy has already closed in on melee range(except for panic crits), so they wont be firing their muskets when rotating in but rather go directly to melee
 
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