Arise o Youth, Destiny is Yours (No SV, Welcome to the MCU)
- Thread starter Magoose
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Actually our power literally makes us good at everything not just healing. In fact I believe that one of our potential goals is to potentially get involved in politics to create a nation like Genosha 2.0 and to help create reforms to society to foster tolerance.
Does this help both sides come to a compromise? Or are you not willing to say?
Magoose
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No comment but the people of China might be very happy with the Germans for the first time in awhile.
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[X]Do not Help Them (For All Mankind): "I have lives to save Ambassador. So do not stop me from doing that."
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[X]Help Them (For the Republic): "Fine. I'll go to the General, see If I can't convince him to recall the meeting. Possibly with less inflammatory language."
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Awesome for your grandfather!
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[X]Help Them (For the People): "I shall go to the Delegation of the CCP, maybe I can convince them that the fearmongering should not persuade them to give in to fear. Show strength perhaps?"
GamingandReading
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I know that. But, this is a game based on dice. Luck is a big player for us. Let's get a politic skill first then we'll decide from there.
[X]Do not Help Them (For All Mankind): "I have lives to save Ambassador. So do not stop me from doing that."
Can't help but feel like we don't have enough info to decide how it would go in this world to make anything resembling a good choice so why not take the path that leads to people being helped without the risk of accidentally putting a Mao equivalent into power.
Can't help but feel like we don't have enough info to decide how it would go in this world to make anything resembling a good choice so why not take the path that leads to people being helped without the risk of accidentally putting a Mao equivalent into power.
Magoose
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Of course you don't have it. You have no understanding of the language.
And Chinese politics are not your forte.
[X]Do not Help Them (For All Mankind): "I have lives to save Ambassador. So do not stop me from doing that."
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[X]Do not Help Them (For All Mankind): "I have lives to save Ambassador. So do not stop me from doing that."
StarSerpent
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Eh. The issue as I see it from the text is that the Commies are happy with the election results and would have been content to work with the strong hand they had within the system (do let me know if my read on this is wrong). Telling them to show strength just incites them to escalate, which since Chiang's in charge on the other side (not to mention, he did start this) means more escalation in return (eventually leading to the tension breaking and civil war...again).
For the Republic is better in the sense that it's the option that gives us a chance at deescalating (contrast For the People, which only gives us a chance to prevent more escalation).
Both of the diplo options also aren't super attractive to me because our MC isn't even conversational in Mandarin or Cantonese (I can't understand why the latter's even mentioned given the meeting location – AIUI Chiang's powerbase is Shanghai and the Jiangsu region, so Cantonese wouldn't even be brought up there, right?) – and we haven't really trained the kid as a diplomat.
You can make the case that his value is in getting access as a power broker, not diplomatic skill itself (no amount of charisma will matter if you can't get past the closed door). Another thing to consider is that Chiang & co are more likely to listen to a multimillionaire foreigner businessman than Mao & co (or Zhou Enlai & co).
In which case, the best argument is 'For the Republic'.
Admittedly, I'm surprised at Pauls' interest in maintaining the peace – would've expected him to encourage profiteering since that's what gives Germany the most immediate benefits. Whether China is at peace or war really doesn't change the international calculus for Germany, unless the plan is to build a long term relationship aimed at guaranteeing independence from both the American and Soviet blocs.
Pardon, but aren't these both the same? No political involvement, just aiming to get our business in China? I'm assuming the first one has bigger $ attached, and the latter more altruism and goodwill won. If it's a choice between these two, For All Mankind makes more sense.
Fun & Profit only gets us more money in the short run – the issue here is that our main constraint isn't capital, it's actions (I'm assuming hiring more employees and getting a PA would free us up more there). We don't actually need more capital in the short-term, too. Further, it'll probably give us a malus with both sides of the Chinese political spectrum.
For All Mankind gets us + relations with China as a whole. Frankly, they also lack the funds to really make squeezing them worth it. And long term, when their economic base isn't devastated by Warlord Era + Civil War + Sino-Japanese War, we'd be in a better position to print fat stacks off them. Oh, and the altruistic bit. My inner profiteer doesn't really care, but that's probably important to some voters.
[X]Help Them (For the Republic): "Fine. I'll go to the General, see If I can't convince him to recall the meeting. Possibly with less inflammatory language."
If another option is winning (FtP or FFP) I'll switch to For All Mankind.
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Admittedly, the arc being titled 'the Great Asian War' kinda implies that Civil War round 2 Electric Boogaloo is inevitable. In which case none of these options are particularly attractive, but I still stand by FtR and FAM as the best of the bunch.
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[X]Do not Help Them (For All Mankind): "I have lives to save Ambassador. So do not stop me from doing that."
Magoose
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Lets just say that in the coming days, depending on your actions, you may find out that things very interesting.
And it will lead to a very interesting places.
Each of them at least will.
the problem is, despite them winning, there is the fact they cannot do whatever the hell they want during the first cycle like they want, and there is a clear and present danger from them going all...
Well Mao might start purging the moment they get into power.
Chaing is only afraid that the moment the commies take power, he will be killed.
Which is fair, because the Communists want to haul him before a firing squad and put enough bullets in him to really screw up his day.
Cantonese, because there are delegates from the Canton region. I should have brought that up, but forgot.
As for training, its less that you are trained, and more who you represent.
The German government has interests in China, and seeing a peaceful china so they can invest heavily in industry there.
With weapons productions kinda being unable to be sold and German Arms industry has another year before it can do fun things like selling to the world, they need to do some dirty buissness.
we are a powerbroker.
Chaing wants us to invest into his country after all.
Pauls is under orders from the Chancellor to try and prevent a civil war from breaking out again for two reasons.
1. The Americans are pressuring him into doing so so they can keep china either on side, or, and this is very important, neutral.
2. The German Government is doing a secret backroom treaty with Chaing and co, to supply them with a lot of arms, equipment and even attache's and volunteers (Mercenaries), and they need time to finalize it, so they request that Pauls buy them another month before the shooting starts and they can deliver the first shipment of weaponry.
Lets just say that one leads to making more money (Another d300 in the millions)
And another leads to fun things.
Oh you will be getting more then that my friend, belive me.
Money is not going to be an issue.
But, I would not offer it if it was just money.
China's economy at this point is both struggling, and booming in equal mesure.
Struggling because there is a lot of things to do and they cannot meet all the needs of their people.
Booming, because the needs they can meet are being sold at a premium.
Duke William of
I really need to finish my quests. :V
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StarSerpent
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If China is split North-South (as implied), and so long as the capital is in the south (Nanjing, Chonqing if the wartime capital is kept), that kind of purge/coup isn't really that likely. He'd need to sneak in enough loyal troops into the KMT powerbase. Granted, this entire situation (nominally unified China in 1950) isn't likely either, so who knows?
Something something, Shanghai 1927, something something. Turntables and all that.
(Whether or not the commies were planning something similar as alleged by many Nats is frankly irrelevant because actual events surpass theory when it comes to assigning blame/'fault')
Quick questions:
- Did Germany not suffer wartime damage to its industry?
-> If yes, why would they be looking abroad to invest elsewhere rather than focus on rebuilding at home?
Offloading weapons, and propping up a nominally anti-communist pro-German state on the other side of the Soviet Union does make more sense, though.
Sino-German alliance when
Frankly, I can't see even 300m d-marks being worth it. It's not the outright amount (it's more that we already have that, and seemingly have trouble spending it – which is ridiculous because spending it should be the easy part, but them's the rolls). The other option simply doesn't rule out future profits, and is implied to add in goodwill that we can leverage even for the sole purpose of future profit.
Yeah, this is just reaffirming what I think the optimal vote choices are. For the Republic > For All Mankind > Fun & Profit > For the People
Duke William of
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[X]Help Them (For the Republic): "Fine. I'll go to the General, see If I can't convince him to recall the meeting. Possibly with less inflammatory language."
I am so indecisive.
I am so indecisive.
Magoose
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Remember the Economic miricle I was talking about.
It didn't get shown, because I focused on people in the rumor mill, but thanks to Heinrich basically shooting an extra hundred million in cash and gold into the German marketplace, Investors from America and abroad, along with confidence in Germanys citizens have invested heavily in equipment, staff, and material into Germany.
They've had their economic miracle 5 years early, and while Germany is still technically rebuilding in numerous areas (looking at you Dresden)
The standard of living for the average german is about to reach pre-war level.
Plus with most of the nazi's now either in hiding, repenting for their sins by trying to be peace keepers (in fact, half the Wermacht that survived the war are volunteering for peacekeeping missions all over the world just so they don't have to go home to a broken county), in prison...
Or dead, Germany is finally getting to see real democracy in its house. And the few Nazi's that did escape justice (Rommel and a few others), are rather... quiet, and know that if they say anything, it may spell the end of their reputations.
Plus those mad tankers are really hoping for round two.
SOON!
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