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Alt History ideas, rec and general discussion thread

Daedwartin said:
Thing is...that STILL fails the initial prompt. They still end up the poorer half of Germany 30 years later and in any ways just turns them into German North Korea in the meantime. The prompt is to see what the GDR needs to switch that fate around and be at least as wealthy per capita as the west. Reforms NEED to occur decades earlier and they have to happen in both the GDR and the Soviet Union(otherwise the soviets likely just crush the reform attempt anyways) if the GDR wishes to last and to also be prosperious.
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Some like Barbarossa fizzling out rapidly and the war wrapping up sooner, leading to the Soviet occupied chuck of Germany being larger, (relatively) less harshly treated, and less severe border adjustments with Poland might help.

Also Truman dies in a tragic bathtub related accident a week into his presidency, leading to POTUS Henry Morgenthau Jr
 
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Jake said:
I wouldn't nrecessarily go that far, but it'd be fascinating to explore the ramifications of the New Labour movement having to deal with her instead of a relative nonentity like Major.
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I mean, New Labour's diet Thatcherism (now with 5% less deliberate baby eating( would somewhat fall flat when original flavor is still in power and snatching milk surely?
 
Vague idea: Conan revisited with modern pseudohistory about pre-Ice Age civilizations.

Inspired by Howard's national mysticism, occultism, Graham Hancock, the Dawn of Everything, and John Michael Greer.

Actually include really bizarre and alien cultures but none of them are just copy and paste cultures from antiquity. A advanced but non-industrial world with no "flattening" of cultural norms by one civilization curb stomping the others.
 
Dab master said:
Vague idea: Conan revisited with modern pseudohistory about pre-Ice Age civilizations.

Inspired by Howard's national mysticism, occultism, Graham Hancock, the Dawn of Everything, and John Michael Greer.

Actually include really bizarre and alien cultures but none of them are just copy and paste cultures from antiquity. A advanced but non-industrial world with no "flattening" of cultural norms by one civilization curb stomping the others.
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If you expand this to include weird esoterica, you'd also get Agartha and Shambhala in addition to Atlantis and Hyperborea. I bring this up mostly because having all of the science-flavored bs of Handcock and co encounter mystical-flavored bs would be very funny.

You also get to play around with either a Hollow Earth or an underground civilization, which is very fun.
 
Could Ronald Reagan have won the 1976 U.S. presidential elections against Jimmy Carter if Gerald Ford had not won the GOP nomination? Or is public perception of the GOP still tainted by the Watergate Scandal?

(Ford in this scenario is either convinced by the GOP to concede or is killed/wounded by one of the 1975 assassination attempts in California.)
 
Mazeka said:
Could Ronald Reagan have won the 1976 U.S. presidential elections against Jimmy Carter if Gerald Ford had not won the GOP nomination? Or is public perception of the GOP still tainted by the Watergate Scandal?

(Ford in this scenario is either convinced by the GOP to concede or is killed/wounded by one of the 1975 assassination attempts in California.)
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He had a decent shot of it, yeah. Even back in '72 Reagan was considered the party's future and had the aura of the heir-apparent around him. While he didn't go quite as hard on the libertarianism in '76 as he would in '80, being the standard-bearer for the Goldwater wing of the party would've given him "Washington outsider" cred not terribly far off of Carter's. I won't claim he would've swept, but Reagan had advantages over Ford - which is why he did the anathema and primaried a sitting president.
 
Have the USA not actually form after the revolution and keep all the original 13 ones independent of each other.
 
Space Murica said:
They would still need to cooperate for Indian Wars, I don't believe in the states odds one on one.
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Expect a lot more of a patchwork deal and far reduced ability to renege on relatively favorable deals/alliances.

Technological sophistication and agricultural production does matter, but those things can be learned and in situations with multiple states on the Eastern Seaboard traded for.
 
king of hybrids said:
I'm not even American, but a Virginain great lakes offends me somehow.
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Blame King James II and his administration, they wrote the charter that gave Virginia the claim to pretty much the entire Midwest east of the Mississippi.

But then for that matter New England also used to be Virginia charter claimed territory at one point which is why the Jamestown colonists made a naval expedition to the north to make sure the French didn't make any settlements up there and burned that were there.

OF course, I think the Stuarts might well have been pretty much responsible for almost every conflicting claims that existed between the 13 colonies which carried over to independence 13 states except for the conflict that later arose between North Carolina and Goergia over the so-called orphan strip.
 
Connecticut and Pennsylvania actually went to war with each other due to this. Connecticut claimed the northern half of Pennsylvania. The claims also used to be sea-to-sea but after a treaty with Spain before independence they terminated at the Mississippi river.
 
Maryland and Pennsylvania also had a little war in the colonial period because of conflicting charters, its why the Mason-Dixen Line ended up being created between the two complete with border stones to make it clear just which side of the border was which.
 
Anyone have any good sources on the Battle of Vienna 1683? I'm trying to plot out a TL outline where the Ottomans win, but I want actual reasons for why they would win, not just "they win lol." Jstor and Google scholar aren't really helping in regards to the POD.
 
Alane1 said:
Maryland and Pennsylvania also had a little war in the colonial period because of conflicting charters, its why the Mason-Dixen Line ended up being created between the two complete with border stones to make it clear just which side of the border was which.
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Also, these competing claims between states actually resulted in Vermont being an de facto Independent Nation from 1777 to 1791.
 
In the event of a total KMT victory during the Chinese Civil War (or perhaps more likely the CCP having a lot worse luck and getting decimated during the 30s and the nationalists winning by default), How likely is an sorta ironic reversal the Sino-Soviet Split of OTL, with relations between China and the US deteriorating severely and relations between the Beijing and Moscow warming considerably?
 
King Washington said:
In the event of a total KMT victory during the Chinese Civil War (or perhaps more likely the CCP having a lot worse luck and getting decimated during the 30s and the nationalists winning by default), How likely is an sorta ironic reversal the Sino-Soviet Split of OTL, with relations between China and the US deteriorating severely and relations between the Beijing and Moscow warming considerably?
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Practically guaranteed in my opinion. Not a inconsiderable portion of the KMT's support from the US post-WW2 came from the fact that the KMT was for all due purposes a completely irrelevant party due to being stuck on Taiwan with the only reason they survived being the US Navy. That gave the KMT plenty of motivation to suck up to the US and the US plenty of reasons to throw the KMT a bone here and there.

A Victorious KMT? Well, what you end up with is....a One Party Dictatorship that is explicitly got a focus on Nationalism. 9-Dot Line Disputes? Still Happening. Fucking around in Vietnam? Still Happening. A KMT China is still a China that will do its best to try and piss off all their neighbors...expect that long list of neighbors is still going to be US Allies. Which means that the US is going to get constantly annoyed at China for that. And since its China, it very understandly is going to not just do what the US wants since Chiang or whoever gets the seat after he dies is not Washington's Puppet. And as Relations worsen with the Dictator in Charge? I expect said Dictator to decide Fuck It, I'm switching sides to send a big middle finger to Washington for thinking that they are "some chink who cant think for himself or innovate". And no, those are not examples I made up. For quite a while, that was basically how the US saw basically everyone from Asia and this did not go away even OTL until decades after WW2 ended, not even with Japan. Even as late as the 80's, you still had people of the opinion that Japan couldn't innovate, only make knock-offs.

So I do see the switch happening...only for about a decade later for Beijing to decide Fuck the Soviets. The Soviets are still the Soviets and therefor still very racist aggressive dictatorial assholes regardless of what happens in China. Something the KMT is going to have to deal with in any timeline it survives in. What I dont see happening is that the KMT switches back to being a US Ally. What I see is a complicated mess of a Three-Way Cold War where the KMT flip flops for a while between factions as a de facto third faction only for the USSR to still collapse because I just dont see anything the KMT does actually saving the USSR from itself. At which point the KMT proceeds to basically just end up in the same situation as the PRC: Antagonistic toleration that has a high risk of turning into a second cold war.
 
King Washington said:
In the event of a total KMT victory during the Chinese Civil War (or perhaps more likely the CCP having a lot worse luck and getting decimated during the 30s and the nationalists winning by default), How likely is an sorta ironic reversal the Sino-Soviet Split of OTL, with relations between China and the US deteriorating severely and relations between the Beijing and Moscow warming considerably?
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That depends on the POD. The thing is Stalin already backed Jiang over Mao, and only really supported Mao after a lot of concessions after Mao was getting the upper hand post-WW2. But Jiang might be willing to play Stalin at his own game, and be willing to get aid from both the U.S and the Soviets, without really needing to care what they think especially since China is always going to play an important economic role if things can get off the ground.
 
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