Alt History ideas, rec and general discussion thread
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No, because you can be impeached for something that isn't a crime.
I'd say 1976 for sure, Ford had both people pissed off about Watergate and people pissed that his pardoning of Nixon was an admission of guilt, so the math works. As for 1988 it depends on what he'd have done in the intervening time. Absolutely hammering on Bush for the Contras and other CIA deepstate boondoggles definitely could've worked. It elides his own family's complicity in several of those incidents but I still see a path forward. More interesting question: does he double down on Israel or pull back?
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ASB idea: Atlantis, but it's in every place that people claim Atlantis was, so you have one on Thera, one in the Atlantic, one in the Sahara, one in Antarctica, just going down the wikipedia list of atlantis locations and saying "yes" to all of them and seeing what chaos ensues when you have like 50 abnormally advanced civilizations kicking around while the rest of the world is still figuring out bronze.
How hard could the Americans have yanked the leash on Israel after the Liberty incident?
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They didn't OTL so the divergence would have to be beforehand.
I mean, based on its proximity to the end of the 6 day war I assume that even had the Americans intended to bring the pain they wouldn't have their ducks lined by before the end of the war; at which I assume the minimum response from Johnson would the "Hahaha No Eshkol. get the fuck back behind the Green Line now. or else"?
I'd imagine sending the Israeli navy to the bottom of the Mediterranean might alarm other American allies though?
I'd imagine sending the Israeli navy to the bottom of the Mediterranean might alarm other American allies though?
Friendly reminder that right after the war Israel actually did offer to return everything but East Jerusalem in exchange for peace. The Arab countries didn't accept that offer and instead released the Khartoum Resolution, which called for no peace, negotiations, or recognition of Israel. The Arabs held firm to the Resolution, also known as the Three Noes of Khartoum, for well over a decade and it was only broken in 1979, when Egypt recognized Israel and negotiated peace and the return of the Sinai Peninsula.
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And, whatever else you think about Israel, it does appear that the Liberty Incident was just a tragic accident, cause by mistakes and exhaustion. Which does happen in wartime. There's plenty of reason to believe the Israelis realized it was American sooner then reported. But all of the liberty incident conspiracy theories are just that.
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This TL seems promising
Marching Toward the Eschaton: An American Tragedy, 1946 - 1973
It was the 3rd of April, 1946, and fourteen-year-old Wolfgang Eberhardt had command of his own anti-aircraft battery. The battery – consisting of two 88s and three smaller 36mm guns – was situated in the wide, open Jenischpark, just ten kilometers from downtown Hamburg. Its task was to defend...
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When was the time that the American political scene would have been most amenable to the idea of finally bumping DC and Puerto Rico up to statehood, and would have been the likely political butterflies from that re the Senate and House?
Axslashel
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Puerto Rico could have been done in the 50s or 60s slightly after Hawaii. Hawaii wasn't majority white either and at this time elections were swingy enough both parties could believe themselves to win in Puerto Rico. They still can irl but for some reason people think Puerto Rico will be some democrat stronghold.
DC on the other hand is less and less likely the further back you go. It was formed for the explicit purpose of giving the government a piece of land they and only they control. Sharing jurisdiction with a state is exactly what they don't want.
DC on the other hand is less and less likely the further back you go. It was formed for the explicit purpose of giving the government a piece of land they and only they control. Sharing jurisdiction with a state is exactly what they don't want.
I suspect its an idea unworkable to the point of being ASB, but for the sake of curiosity; are there any ATL maps that try work out how Europe would look under the maximal end of Churchill's proposed percentage agreement (the so-called 'naughty document') with Stalin?