You are right that both prudence and pragmatism are in short supply and i see it here in Australia with the Aboriginal Voice referendum – Lidia Thorpe-style activists don't understand that the ordinary person will be crucial to the outcome, yet we are still hearing stuff like "always was, always will be, Aboriginal land", "sovereignty never ceded" and "the colony". All of those things will terrify the average Australian voters and kill the YES campaign. You saw it in the USA in 2016: if a few hundred thousand votes in a handful of close states had changed, Clinton would have won the presidency and not calling the rural whites who were leaning towards Trump "deplorables" would have done just that.
Alt History ideas, rec and general discussion thread
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Cetashwayo
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The first thing you leap to when the original reference is the French Resistance and the SS is Palestine and Israel? Hm.
The Palestinians are not national liberationists - from the river to the sea, honor killings, judenfrei etc etc - so, yeah, opposing that cause is not bigotry...
Arafat and Abbas = not Mandela
Arafat and Abbas = not Mandela
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Very interesting how extremism apparently means being mean to racists and pragmatism means sucking up to them.
They can also vote and there are no votes to throw away when Australian referendums need the small states to pass, or Hillary needs rural states for the Electoral College.Very interesting how extremism apparently means being mean to racists and pragmatism means sucking up to them.
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Cwinton was too mwean two twe wacists who bewiewed twat Muswims awe subhwumans by cawwing them a mwean nwame waaa waaa
Do you or do you not recognize that Australia is stolen indigenous land achieved by genocidal settler colonialism? Though considering your rhetoric regarding Palestinians...
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my brother in christ the palestinians were literally driven out of their own homes by the israelis. ever heard of the Nakba? do you support that?
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Mazeka
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Here's an odd idea:
In the summary of Simone Zelitch's book Judenstaat, a Soviet-aligned Jewish nation-state is established in 1945 southeastern Germany, encompassing the entirety of the former state of Saxony.
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Shaithan
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Seriously doubt that it would work out. For one, it's a landlocked state and it would need serious investments to keep it viable. And its population would very much feel trapped in there, as it would serve as a dumping ground for Europe's Jews.
German irredentism would be a constant worry for the state. And, well, the name Judenstaat doesn't strike me as something a Jewish state in Europe would happily call itself.
German irredentism would be a constant worry for the state. And, well, the name Judenstaat doesn't strike me as something a Jewish state in Europe would happily call itself.
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Rather than Saxony, wasn't there a proposal to turn East Prussia into a Jewish nation that went nowhere?
Shaithan
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East Prussia is an even worse proposal. At least Saxony has industry and mining. East Prussia is basically agriculture and forestry and that's it. Oh and digging up amber. The state would also be sandwiched between the USSR and Poland and Poland would love to get its hands on Königsberg. Jewish East Prussia would basically stand and fall with the USSR holding their hand over them. And it would only be the USSR, if they try to pivot to the Americans, the Soviets would probably bring them into the fold very quickly.
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Probably still more infrastructure than the Mandate of Palestine, though. And proximity to the USSR might not be seen as all too bad; immediate post-war Zionism was pretty socialist, see also the Israeli kibbuzim. Both the USA and USSR recognized Israel immediately; it was only later on that the USSR switched its support to the Arab states because it had perceived Israel as becoming too close to the USA. And in any case, it will still be less of a threat than Israel faced IOTL from the Arab states.
But that being said, while it would not rule out the project, it would mean this Israel would be an East Bloc state, with all that comes with that. I doubt that right next to the USSR they could pull off a Yugoslavia.
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This is the Jewish autonomous oblast (which was never majority Jewish to my knowledge despite being lightly populated) but stupider.
If Szilard and his peers flee east instead of west, to the supposed safety of a Jewish Oblast, does Stalin get the atomic bomb first? Or is nuclear physics suppressed out of the same stupidity that gave us Lysenkoism?
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So there is apparently a post Columbian contact Spanish dystopia TL:Un Dios, Un Imperio, Un Rey | Alternate TL.
Anyone here read it? And if so, how is it?
Anyone here read it? And if so, how is it?
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Haven't read it but wouldn't recommend anyways, I've met the author on discord and he basically creeped everyone out with weird sexual remarks towards the female members. On top of that he claimed in the discord that there was nothing dishonorable about the conquest of the Americas and that the depopulation of South America was most definitely all due to plague and not massacres of natives, yes siree
Needless to say he was banned after that. The whole incident though appears to be before the TL was written however, so he could have changed idk
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Neal Caffrey
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Hi, so I've been thinking and resaerching a story that I would like to do, it's an SI (I know) in the French Revolutionary Wars, but I have been thinking about making the world the SI finds himself in one where the US revolution fails but the French revolution still happens, I mainly thought this would be interesting as the situation would be so different the advantages he would have would be diminished and would lead to interesting political and personal dynamics, the other one would be an SI into the normal historical time.
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Oh is Paladin Wulfen. Isn't he like a Spanish empire apologist or something? Pretty sure he Stan the Spanish for some reasonHaven't read it but wouldn't recommend anyways, I've met the author on discord and he basically creeped everyone out with weird sexual remarks towards the female members. On top of that he claimed in the discord that there was nothing dishonorable about the conquest of the Americas and that the depopulation of South America was most definitely all due to plague and not massacres of natives, yes siree
Needless to say he was banned after that. The whole incident though appears to be before the TL was written however, so he could have changed idk
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Posting this mostly to make sure I don't forget about the idea, but I've been listening to Mike Ducan's Revolutions podcast and gotten to the part of history where the 2nd International falls apart due to WWI, and I have to say I did not know how diverse socialism was pre-Soviet Union basically canonizing Marxism and later Marxism-Leninism as what people think of when someone says Socialism.
Like, I'd never heard of Narodism, but it was interesting seeing it develop at the same time Marx and Engels were alive, but come to separate conclusions on how the people could overthrow their rulers, and how a lot of Russian Marxist purists thought that Russia had to endure Bourgeois Democracy before the Proletarian revolution could come. I've also learned about Zapatism and Pancho Villa's ideology, which seem to both have been developed independently of Marxism, and it got me thinkinng.
What if, instead of falling apart along national lines, the 2nd International manages to spark (and I know this is borderline ASB, but I like the idea) the predicted Proletarian Revolution in Western Europe, with further sparks spreading to Russia/Eastern Europe, right as the crown heads of Europe were going to war?
To some it up in a sentence:
What if we threw a world war, but the soldiers and workers overthrew us for the thought?
Like, I'd never heard of Narodism, but it was interesting seeing it develop at the same time Marx and Engels were alive, but come to separate conclusions on how the people could overthrow their rulers, and how a lot of Russian Marxist purists thought that Russia had to endure Bourgeois Democracy before the Proletarian revolution could come. I've also learned about Zapatism and Pancho Villa's ideology, which seem to both have been developed independently of Marxism, and it got me thinkinng.
What if, instead of falling apart along national lines, the 2nd International manages to spark (and I know this is borderline ASB, but I like the idea) the predicted Proletarian Revolution in Western Europe, with further sparks spreading to Russia/Eastern Europe, right as the crown heads of Europe were going to war?
To some it up in a sentence:
What if we threw a world war, but the soldiers and workers overthrew us for the thought?
the atom
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German irredentism would be way less of a going concern than Arab antagonism. The Arab states had decades of free reign to smash Israel and they repeatedly took advantage of that time. A Germany that's stuffed to the gills with NATO troops isn't going to do much by comparison.
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It doesn't line up with actual Jewish political thought at the time. The bulk of the leadership of Israel in the early days was already in the Mandate, and the people who might be interested in the formation of a Soviet-backed Jewish state were the labor movements in Eastern Europe that had just been all-but eradicated in the Shoah. And like, it wasn't like anti-semitism just stopped in May 1945. I don't think a lot of people would want to stay. It would just mean that Israel is pushed out of the possible orbit of the Soviet Union even earlier.
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How would a fascist Britain or at least one that employs those tactics(well, those tactics to white people as well) deal with Australia and other colonies such as Canada and new Zealand, especially if they did not have a similar grassroots support from those colonies?