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Why are people buying Lore (Enderbringers) when we could just buy Lore? Specialties are only worth it if you use them at least half the time you use the ability.
Archery/Firearms (Sniper Rifles●○○) is even worse. It does nothing in this fight, because hitting Behemoth is guaranteed and threshold successes do nothing. It locks us into using sniper Rifles later, or the points are wasted.
Archery/Firearms (Sniper Rifles●○○) is even worse. It does nothing in this fight, because hitting Behemoth is guaranteed and threshold successes do nothing. It locks us into using sniper Rifles later, or the points are wasted.
How's this selection of XP Spending look then?Elero said:
That works just fine, we use all of those specialties reasonably often.
The firearms specialty is a bad bet since I doubt as a Ward we'd be doing a lot of sniping. Blasters maybe(as we have a ready source of custom blasters if Chris lives through this), or rapid fire weapons to abuse ping.
The firearms specialty is a bad bet since I doubt as a Ward we'd be doing a lot of sniping. Blasters maybe(as we have a ready source of custom blasters if Chris lives through this), or rapid fire weapons to abuse ping.
That would only be true if Grom is treating the Endbringers as walking around in massive suits of armour with very few personal health levels (the core) such that we ping past the armour and hit the core regardless of intervening 'flesh'. I think the more likely model would be a hundred or so -0 health levels for the fake-flesh, a special effect which increases Soak as health levels are lost, regeneration and then a few extra health levels to represent the core and skeleton (which may or may not have wound penalties associated). In the latter case, ping damage becomes most effective once he's worn down to the bone and his regeneration is countered, which is what we did here.Peanuckle said:
Cancelling it should be Reflexive. I'm not sure whether or not we would know to cancel it, though. And any bugs we touch to Noelle should get absorbed. Skitter couldn't feel absorbed bugs, so we might have difficulty extending IEU through a bug.Kellanved said:
Better, in my opinion.landcollector said:
Lore is prbably the best thing we can currently buy. It would give us even more information on (individual) Parahumans so we can better use them and their unique abilities. It tells us more about Enderbringers, so figuring out what they really are is more likely. And of course it's one of the necessary Abilities for crafting.
The Presence (Swarms) is also pretty good, since we're talking trough our swarm a lot.
I'm not so sure on Athletics (Power Armor), as we're already very good at that, so failing the Athletics roll for rapidly changing direction while flying is very unlikely, I think the odds for that were less than 1% or something.
I think the Endbringer just winds up having separate soak scores for the outer body and the core. Noting that damage to the outer body IS effective at hindering an Endbringer as they have trouble operating with a missing limb, but also that many powers that strike the core are nullified or blocked by impossible density. So in this case, the core was exposed and the regeneration preoccupied when we dealt a bit of ping to the core, having the damage stick would be substantially harder.
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We can always raise it later if we decide we need more information on them, Specialities training doesn't seem to degrade too quickly, we can still raise Integrity (Bullying ●○○), and we haven't been bullied in a while. ANd if we really want to train it, then we could online or look through PRT reports on them.uju32 said:
I think Coil is very very close to being put on Contessa's To Do list. If he set Echidna to fight Weaver during an Endbringer fight, when Weaver is someone who's getting more and more valuable both to Cauldron and regular capedom, he's dead.
And Contessa's PtV makes killing/capturing Coil trivial.
And Contessa's PtV makes killing/capturing Coil trivial.
I'm likely hilariously wrong, but wouldn't stunts incorporating Athletics in Power Armor benefit from extra successes beyond the minimum needed to not fail, allowing to better recoup WP and motes? We are expending motes very rapidly these days. *shrugs*Elero said:
That was directed at long term specialty usage though. A sniper rifle is just unwieldy in the sort of encounters a Ward would be dealing with, particularly considering all the PR counter efforts we'd need after flying across the city with totemic anima causing nightmares all around. An automatic weapons specialty, or blasters etc would be quite possible to obtain later on, and would be possible to level on our own discretion.
As for Lore(Endbringers), we're going to be raising Lore anyway, because it's a requirement for advanced tinkertech development. And Lore(Endbringers) doesn't contribute to that, making it 2XP wasted instead of saved.
As for Lore(Endbringers), we're going to be raising Lore anyway, because it's a requirement for advanced tinkertech development. And Lore(Endbringers) doesn't contribute to that, making it 2XP wasted instead of saved.
It doesn't work like that, willpower and mote recovery has nothing to do with extra successes.landcollector said:
Eh. Like I said, I was probably hilariously wrong. *shrugs* I still don't think getting a 2nd dot in Athletics (Power Armor) is a bad idea though.veekie said:
Not really. It's one of Wildbow's little jokes, everyone thought Leet was holding Uber back, but when Leet died Uber fell apart:mastigos2 said:
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How good you do on a roll doesn't influence how many motes you get back for the stunt, and we're committing most of our motes for IEU, so we can't regain them through stunts. Being better at Athletics could, however, open up some stunts. If we're good enough to jump from one building to another, then we could make a stunt describing how we jump from one building to another. The problem is that we could just as easily make a stunt describing how we fly from one building to another using our jet pack, and we'd get the same stunt reward.landcollector said:
The question is if this marginal utility is worth 2 XP
I'm starting to wonder how much more Lore (Enderbringers) with Lore 5 can even tell us. I mean I'm pretty sure there's an university professor for Parahumans or something out there with those, and he hasn't suddenly figured out their origin or what they really are. I don't think just buying the dots will suddenly give us information that literally no-one knows.uju32 said:
It might still increase our speed, especially under Shaker interference. Not a total loss. Just not really a priority.landcollector said:
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We need keep in mind that extra levels of Lore don't give us instant knowledge, just give us better recall and help us put the dots together with all the little clues we pick up. to that end, I'm seriously considering changing my XP vote to stick Investigation in there somewhere.
Mine went with Lore and Investigation. We can always pick up the specialty in an update or two given how fast we're gathering omake XP..IronSun. said:
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At the moment I'm worried about what we're going to do to get the Capes out of Noelle. After all she has Tattletale and Panacea, both of which I want to Exalt
[X] "Hold the Line!"
-[X] Stunt: Our shot was the only thing that truly hurt Behemoth, and it seems unrelated to the nature of our weapon. Aim at his heart, and shoot as frequently as possible. While also disseminating the knowledge about Behemoth's apparent weak spot to the entire army via our swarm. Try to get him pinned again and focus a volley of fire there to either dig a hole into it or exploit other capes who might penetrate his defenses (like Foil, perhaps.)
[X] 2 XP - Presence (Swarms ●●○)
[X] 2 XP - Archery/Firearms (Sniper Rifles●○○)
[X] 2 XP - Athletics (Power Armor ●●○)
[X] 4 XP - Lore
-[X] Stunt: Our shot was the only thing that truly hurt Behemoth, and it seems unrelated to the nature of our weapon. Aim at his heart, and shoot as frequently as possible. While also disseminating the knowledge about Behemoth's apparent weak spot to the entire army via our swarm. Try to get him pinned again and focus a volley of fire there to either dig a hole into it or exploit other capes who might penetrate his defenses (like Foil, perhaps.)
[X] 2 XP - Presence (Swarms ●●○)
[X] 2 XP - Archery/Firearms (Sniper Rifles●○○)
[X] 2 XP - Athletics (Power Armor ●●○)
[X] 4 XP - Lore
Gromweld
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Managing the battle is a three-step process:
- War, or War (Parahumans), is used in the roll to draw up a battle plan in your mind using the capes available to you. This specialty allows for more thorough min/maxing of power combos, and is the first roll made to determine the effectiveness of your strategy.
- War, or War (Swarms), is used in the roll for using the swarm for communication, such as arrows, diagrams, and swarm voice. This is usually no longer directly rolled, as you have enough ranks to just make it a given, but if there are things interfering with the swarm then a roll will be made to see how well you can pull it off.
- Presence, or Presence (Swarms), is used as the roll for the actual communication, helping you understand just how your swarm will be received and interpreted by observers.
Yes, stunts are allowed for this choice. Keep them as suggestions, like usual votes, not as fait-accompli recounts of the battle.
Oh, and this:
VOTE CLOSES AT 8:00PM PST (~10 HOURS FROM NOW)
- War, or War (Parahumans), is used in the roll to draw up a battle plan in your mind using the capes available to you. This specialty allows for more thorough min/maxing of power combos, and is the first roll made to determine the effectiveness of your strategy.
- War, or War (Swarms), is used in the roll for using the swarm for communication, such as arrows, diagrams, and swarm voice. This is usually no longer directly rolled, as you have enough ranks to just make it a given, but if there are things interfering with the swarm then a roll will be made to see how well you can pull it off.
- Presence, or Presence (Swarms), is used as the roll for the actual communication, helping you understand just how your swarm will be received and interpreted by observers.
Yes, stunts are allowed for this choice. Keep them as suggestions, like usual votes, not as fait-accompli recounts of the battle.
Again, I don't recall ever stating that this was 'Easy Mode' outside of the vote itself, and the 'Scenic Route' vote specifically said "Things will be rough." I'll talk about this more after the Arc 4 Interlude, but the other two Endbringer battles would have been completely different scenarios and thus not really comparable in terms of difficulty.John At Dawn said:
Oh, and this:
VOTE CLOSES AT 8:00PM PST (~10 HOURS FROM NOW)
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Point, plus Noelle isn't as big as in canon if I hazard a guess. Plus we should be immune to her which is a real perk in dealing with her, although we'll still have problems with the clonesPeanuckle said: