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Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 6: Fatal Fires Flagrantly Fry Frantic Friends, Family

*sigh*

So I've been unable to keep up with this at all, only reading the Story-Only posts...

And my luck in votes is usually "show up 12-24 hours after they close", so...


But there's something I wanted to ask -- I'm wondering now why people told Iris of Innovation to "go search out people to Exalt" in the middle of a fucking Endbringer battle.

What were we thinking? That it was a "just in case Armsmaster or somebody bites it" precaution?

We could have asked him to do something useful against Behemoth. Instead, he's going to be searching for Exaltation-worthy people in the middle of a fucking Endbringer battle.

He'll have, like... MINUTES to judge whether a person is a good candidate!

All that stuff about *waiting* to pick somebody so as to *make sure* we make a good decision... and we horribly rush it like this?

Not to mention that since Iris is looking for Exaltation candidates, he's not doing something useful against the Endbringer.


If Iris even managed to find somebody, it probably wouldn't be the best choice. Unless somebody like Armsmaster or Legend bites it or something.

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Lost Star said:
My suggestion, have Iris try to exalt Armsmaster as a stunt. We MIGHT be able to get him back in the fight, and hopefully he's a combat aspect. Vista and Gallant might be recoverable, it doesn't say deceased. So something like this.
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(Even assuming that this happens, that Armsmaster doesn't get healed but instead turned over to some strange Tinker/Projection of Weaver for some reason...)
... Didn't it take us, like, a week or something in order to be turned into an Alchemical Exalt?

He's not going to be up in time to get back into the fight.
 
Garlak said:
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Thing is, we didn't. Gromweld has already stated that he has a lot of stations will be railroaded to this arc, and the talking to Iris about the Cradle back when behemoth was attacking was one of them.
 
I could've sworn I'd seen people making posts about telling Iris to go look for candidates for Exaltation.
[X] Grab your gear and try to save as many people as you can. - [x] Stunt: Use swarms and Incomparable Efficiency Upgrade to coordinate ... everything. You are The Swarm and you are everywhere and with everyone. You will help to each and every individual in the building on an individual basis, guiding civilians to undamaged evacuation paths, and the parahumans to battle-readiness. You will provide everyone an answer to the question "What should I do?" in this moment of stunned confusion. They will already be moving by the time any think to question your authority and by then you will be in communication with the normal leaders and your superhuman grasp of command made evident.
- [x] Stunt: You were apparently right - your powers make you a priority target for the Endbringers. That means Behemoth is after you, specifically. Get in our armor, and fly off the base at top speed, away from the city if possible - we want to lure him away from the others ASAP. Use the swarms, but hold off on invisibility until it is tactically appropriate to keep him in pursuit.
- [x] Stunt: Get Iris to try and meet up with us explain about the Endbringers (via the swarm) and ask if there is anything he can do to help protect your friends and the city. Also, ask him about the mechanism for delivering a candidate for Exaltation and for him to double check anyone for candidacy during the event.
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Since, I mean, it was even in a stunt.

"Get Iris to try and meet up with us explain about the Endbringers (via the swarm) and ask if there is anything he can do to help protect your friends and the city. Also, ask him about the mechanism for delivering a candidate for Exaltation and for him to double check anyone for candidacy during the event."

That doesn't sound like "railroading", if it was a freaking stunt.
 
Garlak said:
I could've sworn I'd seen people making posts about telling Iris to go look for candidates for Exaltation.
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People were being total idiots, as they have been continually in this quest. They bandwagon onto a shiny without realising the true depths of stupidity they're plumbing.

Just about every stunt section that's been voted for contains something that's actively worse than useless. This was just a particularly bad example.
 
You're hardly the picture of foresight and wisdom yourself though, mister "more Occult is useless and anything we need to know about how our Charms work we can just ask Iris when it comes up." Even if it's in the middle of a battle, apparently. Or if we don't have an easy line of communication to Iris.
 
Garlak said:
I could've sworn I'd seen people making posts about telling Iris to go look for candidates for Exaltation.



Since, I mean, it was even in a stunt.

"Get Iris to try and meet up with us explain about the Endbringers (via the swarm) and ask if there is anything he can do to help protect your friends and the city. Also, ask him about the mechanism for delivering a candidate for Exaltation and for him to double check anyone for candidacy during the event."

That doesn't sound like "railroading", if it was a freaking stunt.
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There was a stunt like that, but it didn't win. Be at ease, we're not Exalting people right now.
AkatsukiLeader13 said:
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That was amusing, but wasting a precious Exalt slot on Sophia Hess? Meh.
 
landcollector said:
There was a stunt like that, but it didn't win. Be at ease, we're not Exalting people right now.
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No, it did.
- [x] Stunt: Get Iris to try and meet up with us explain about the Endbringers (via the swarm) and ask if there is anything he can do to help protect your friends and the city. Also, ask him about the mechanism for delivering a candidate for Exaltation and for him to double check anyone for candidacy during the event.
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Right there, just check it.

And I think you missed my point.

I wasn't just complaining about "rushing, maybe even wasting, Exaltation."

I was also complaining that Iris could have been doing something else, instead of searching for candidates.

Though hey, maybe we'll get lucky (or *un*lucky as the case may be) and somebody important/powerful/useful/worthy dies and we can Exalt them.
 
Yes, I am looking at the right post! Are you?

I am looking at what we did at the very START of the battle.

Look, I linked to the Story-Only thread.

It showed us the choice we made, the first choice in the battle. And part of that choice was the stunt I quoted.
 
Garlak said:
No, it did.



Right there, just check it.

And I think you missed my point.

I wasn't just complaining about "rushing, maybe even wasting, Exaltation."

I was also complaining that Iris could have been doing something else, instead of searching for candidates.

Though hey, maybe we'll get lucky (or *un*lucky as the case may be) and somebody important/powerful/useful/worthy dies and we can Exalt them.
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At first, I thought you were talking at this upcoming update. The referenced link was two updates ago, no sense complaining now.
 
Honestly, that was probably the best option for Iris. He's not a good combat option as is. He's a last resort, nuke option. Sending him to protect what is essentially our primary purpose at the moment is just good sense.
 
and the 'go look for possible exalts' was a stunt that got copypasted to hell and back in people's votes, with most people unwilling to go back and mark it out while the rest of us screamed about what a stupid thing it was to do. And Iris' running off to find and secure the Cradle was a railroaded plot device, although it WAS a good thing to do, since it looks like that might be the Endbringer's target, and if it's gone we can't Exalt anyone else.
 
Uh, question...

We might kinda have a problem with social-related stuff. We're eating Clarity-based penalties, along with Wound-based penalties.

But I'm wondering if "battlefield command" does not count as a social encounter? Since we're not trying to be social, we're trying to organize things?
Clarity: (As of 4.3)
Temporary: ●●●●● ●○○○○ (-2 to non-Intimdation Social Rolls, -2 to Compassion Rolls, Emotional Intimacy Erosion)​
Permanent: ○○○○○ ○○○○○​
Willpower: (As of 4.3)
Temporary: ●●○○○ ○○○○○​
Permanent: ●●●●● ●●●●●​
Mote Pool: (As of 4.3)
Personal: Full (Nearly All Committed)
Peripheral: Full (Nearly All Committed)

Health: (As of 4.3)
Sleep: Even
Mental Integrity: Panicked
Wounds: 4 Lethal 1 Bashing (-2 Dice Penalties)
Ailments: none
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that really sucks. Any possibility of being able to make more later on?
 
I've been assuming 'social' implies any kind of interaction with others. Passing orders and organizing combatants counts, but I figure the intimidation effect from our Banner and sounding like an implacable robot balanced out our lack of persuasiveness due to our high clarity.
 
Garlak said:
You're hardly the picture of foresight and wisdom yourself though, mister "more Occult is useless and anything we need to know about how our Charms work we can just ask Iris when it comes up." Even if it's in the middle of a battle, apparently. Or if we don't have an easy line of communication to Iris.
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More Occult was useless. If we wanted to know about our charms, as Grom made abundantly, no, excessively, clear, then we didn't need to buy Occult, we needed to mediate on them or ask Iris. That's why I voted for that option when we had the chance.

Occult 3, which is the level of a professional thaumaturge in Creation, is no where close to even beginning to know about the details of the restrictions and potential of a Celestial Exalt's charms or anima.
 
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AkatsukiLeader13 said:
One of the things I've always like is having characters Exalt who are not necessarily nice people or heroic in the typical sense. And I have to admit I've been bouncing around some Worm/Exalted ideas that contain multiple Exaltations beyond just Taylor and Sophia's been one of the more popular ones to Exalt for that very reason. Plus I'm a bit of a sucker for stories where the two of them actually address their issues and potentially move past them.​
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Actually Alchemical exalts are the exeption to that. Thier souls are chosen for being heroic in their previous lives by the state, and the traits of those lives effect the created exalt. They aren't going to chose souls that were harmful in their society.

Unlike the other kind of exaltation Alchemicals do have an ethical component in their selection, because it is a human doing the choice. That said they aren't necessarily nice just that their issues would be something that the state would approve of in thier exalts. So a nice rebel would be axed as a canidate but a cruel spymaster who saved thousands through his clever and ruthless schemes would.
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Occult 3, which is the level of a professional thaumaturge in Creation, is no where close to even beginning to know about the details of the restrictions and potential of a Celestial Exalt's charms or anima.
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Actually occult 3 is the minimum rating needed for a mortal to attempt to invent a new alchemical charm. We can't do that as Alchemicals can't make their own charms by design.
 
assana73 said:
Another picture. A bit of experimenting done on this one; no color, no shading pens, only ink.
I originally was planning to ink in little faces on the bare soulsteel parts, but didn't out of worry that it might become too busy. Let me know if I should add that in.
Many thanks to Shyft for the beautiful picture of Taylor. It was indispensable as a reference.

Probably my last picture for a while.
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My word, it's beautiful. Excellent work!
 
Yup. Also; Epic Fight is Epic.

And god damn it Danny. Also, what the hell is Coil thinking? Because I'm thinking it's "Not according to plan!"
 
assana73 said:
I turn away for a few hours and a bunch of ideas pop up. At this rate I'll run out of paper!
Have a Danny:
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Danny is a soulless ginger. I think.

EDIT: Whoops, don't know why I did that. Stating that gingers are soulless is rather redundant. :p
 
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