Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 23: We Wonder Where Who Wanders When Watchers Wane

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See? I get that. I do, but as I've said before, I do not care about mechanics or dice rolls or all that bullshit crap.
Sadly, you kinda have to, because Solar Hero Style isn't terribly well balanced. The base style is underwhelming except for a couple of Charms that are basically Doom Combo's all by themselves, and the Fist of the Daystar rewrite is built for high-level Exalted play to match Melee in the era when Glorious Solar Saber could give you a +10 accuracy sword.

They're not the worst styles - after all they weren't published in Scroll of the Monk, aha, but I wouldn't really consider them fit for use as I would, say, White Reaper, Crane or Crystal Chameleon.
 
This seemed...unnecessary? I mean, most people have the book and can look of TSS if they want. If they don't, send me a PM, I'm happy to help.
This is a bad assumption to make. One of the things I love about this quest is the fact that I can enjoy it without needing an in-depth knowledge of Exalted mechanics or consulting the books on a regular basis. I happen to have access to a lot of the books, and I have a very basic understanding of the rules, but that doesn't help me much when you people start getting into the weeds on dice modifiers and whatnot. I am interested in Exalted for its thematics, not the math.
Crane or Crystal Chameleon
Honestly? I'd go for these just for the imagery associated with them.
 
I mean, that said, if people do really like the thematics of Fist of the Daystar Style, I made a 2.5 rules revision for it

Personally I'm a lot more fond of White Reaper Style, but nobody in this quest really fits the image of a grim and terrifying butcher, cutting down great crowds of foes with cold disregard.
 
Numberman would actually be quite a cool Ori.

Too much baggage attached tho.

Not Moonsilver? (Still not really familiar with the Alchemical castes, but from what I know NM sounds like more of a Moonsilver.)

And, well, if we're going to collect former S9 members, might as well go for a hat-trick. And NM still has less baggage than Alexandria, in that at least IIRC he isn't a Cauldron cape and won't cause Eden-related issues on that front. And is additionally less insane than Glaistig Uaine. So this isn't the worst idea.

As for the updates: man, I feel sorry for Saki. Especially because she actually has the social WMDs, but is too shy to use them. Hopefully Alchemicalhood will improve her mental state, rather than making it even worse. Especially because of the relationship to Autochthon apparently finding her to be just barely worthy. With the Bonesaw revelation incoming as well....
 
"A-alright," you eventually manage, after thinking about armored bodices long enough to stop leaking all over Miss Militia's camo. Turning your gaze up to her, you realize this is a perfect opportunity: Begging Jutsu, activate! Form of Puppy Eyes! "Can you be my first?"

Miss Militia's dark brown eyes widen slightly, enough that you're pretty sure you just shocked her into speechlessness. Critical hit?

Oh, uh... wait... you may have phrased that wrong.

"Chaperone!"
"Hey, PHRASING!"
She's going to need to be rather careful in choosing her words outside of her writing.

Whatever blood - or fluids - were in your face before feel like they've quickly drained. Master ratings… are bad.

In a fight, you always target the Master first.
Or the Thinker, Saki. So, don't worry! Even were you to be placed on the front lines, we'd still be the "Double Must Target First" person. :V

"We-" he stops, closes his eyes for a moment and sighs briefly. Opening his eyes again, he looks more tired than before. "After everything you've been through, I and my colleagues helping the other Wards felt that it would be best if we didn't make you feel embarrassed or ashamed of your new appearance. Since I have field experience working against Master powers, it was hoped that I could prove that the PRT wouldn't need to mandate a disguise when you're not… weaponizing your appearance."

Disbelieving, you cast your gaze to the side - only to meet a ruefully-nodding Miss Militia.

"O-oh," you manage, looking at your hands.
It's a good thing we didn't vote to have Saki's "normal" look be App 7, then.

A few seconds pass, and you're the old you.

You'd never really liked the old you, but maybe it's better this way: at least Sakura will recognize you when she gets back.

Avoiding the uncomfortable gazes to your side, you look up to the door.

"Can we go now?"
But it looks like that until she comes to better grips with the situation, she's going back to her App 2 looks rather than App 4.

Surprisingly melancholy snippet.

Re: MA Styles-
I am fond of Arms of the Unconquered Sun Style, but it might be a stretch matching its thematics to one of our Assembly. That, and given it was developed in the High First Age it's not guaranteed to be stored in Auto's Memory Cathedrals. Hm.
 
Thematically, I think it would be a great MA for her, narratively, because it would look cool, and my only consideration to dice pools, it would work well with Prayer.
Fair enough.

My thinking is that water works very well as a metaphor for the lady who is supposed to take a hit and keep coming.
As for cool, I refer you to the words of Lee Jun-fan

Water can flow, or it can crash.
Be water my friend.
As to giving SHS to Vista, hrm. I don't feel like it would work, thematically for her, as I don't really see Vista's power as really suitable to grapples. I'd consider giving her something that is long on strikes and short on holds.
We have different visions of what SHS is, I see. From where I stand, the iconic charm for Solar Hero/Fist of The Daystar really is Heaven Thunder Hammer, and that is a strike charm.

I mean, you could fluff it either as grappling or striking, but in the entire 9 charm tree that is available to Celestial Exalts, only two are dedicated grapple enhancers: Dragon Coil Technique and Crashing Wave Throw. Strikes work really fine with Fists of Iron/Sledgehammer Fist Punch/Heaven Thunder Hammer/Ox-Stunning Blow/Hammer on Iron/Shockwave Technique.

Always thought Vista works better with ranged stuff, or fast-in-fast-out stuff like Snake
I'm for giving her both at this point in time; TMAM does that handily with an Essence pulse cannon.
She's our Jade, she's going to take hits at some point.

Sadly, you kinda have to, because Solar Hero Style isn't terribly well balanced.
They're not the worst styles - after all they weren't published in Scroll of the Monk, aha, but I wouldn't really consider them fit for use as I would, say, White Reaper, Crane or Crystal Chameleon.
Crystal Chameleon is something I've been agitating for our Moonsilver to get, both for it's mechanics and because it's hella cool.
White Reaper isn't really a thematic fit though, given that slaughtering crowds doesn't look very good on the news.

And Crane doesn't allow armor, which is why the only frontline combatant who could afford to take it is Prayer, since her armor doesn't count when she doesn't want it to.

Re: MA Styles-
I am fond of Arms of the Unconquered Sun Style, but it might be a stretch matching its thematics to one of our Assembly. That, and given it was developed in the High First Age it's not guaranteed to be stored in Auto's Memory Cathedrals. Hm.
Between Iris' roaming Creation and the looting expedition that was carried out on the place before it went kablooey, it's certainly there.
Might even have been independently reinvented in Autochtonia.
 
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Are we voting for which MA to give Saki? I thought Grom already had something in mind
 
Not Moonsilver? (Still not really familiar with the Alchemical castes, but from what I know NM sounds like more of a Moonsilver.)
The old spiel again on what allows someone to catalyze an exaltation:
-Orichalcum - People with grand objectives and willing to crush others to see them come to fruition. Number Man...dubious fit, though every member of Cauldron is this to some extent, he's not a driving force.

-Moonsilver - People who make a living of improvisation and creative solutions. Usually people like this don't tend to get very creative parahuman powers, because the type of people to trigger with Thinker or Tinker effects failed to improvise and be creative. But Worm Canon wise, we know he HAS learned a great deal since he left the Nine, which is why despite facing 9:1 odds against his clones he still wiped them handily.

-Jade - Willingness to self sacrifice for others. Not at all evident here.
-Starmetal - Willingness to override authority FOR authority's own sake. Either involves types like Accord or Tattletale, who bring it to a big Phoenix Wright style OBJECTION, or someone more subtle who works covertly, doing things that the people in charge won't approve of but which end up to their benefit.

Not the only factors of course, but a rough sketch. What activates a caste and what the caste does is only loosely connected
 
Do note that as a Starmetal Caste, her anima power gives (Essence/2, rounded up) to Accuracy, Join Battle and damage.
So at Essence 3, Dex 2, she's at effectively Dex 4 when on the attack even without weapons.

On the defense, if she pops the soulsteel tigerclaws that she gets from Transcendent Brutality Programming, she gets + 2 Defense.
So at Dex2, MA5, she is rolling [(Dex2 + MA5 + Defense2)/2] + Stunt 2 = PDV 7
So she's really not as helpless as she might first appear, which will undoubtedly make for an unpleasant surprise to someone someday in the future.
That does nothing to fix her Dodge DV, which is imo more important, as it applies more often. And we are requiring mote expenditure for the anima, while also having no options to buff our DV's due to a lack of die adders. It's really unstable, and people keep assuming we can get fights in circumstances that allow these optimal uses of abilities, when you should never ever count on that. I've always played havign to assume I have to survive on dots and a bare minimum of essence and wp, because you can't count on anything else.
They were moved from VBoS to TSS.
Scroll of Errata pg 79.
apparently had an old copy of errata. AND FUCK THAT. They acknowledge it was bad, so they rip chunks out of something that was fine to fix it and break something else instead. Fucking Exalted writers. Well that's more changes I don't give a shit about. For this quest, fine, i don't care that much, but fuck ever allowing that in an actual tabletop game.
I am fond of Arms of the Unconquered Sun Style, but it might be a stretch matching its thematics to one of our Assembly.
That makes me sad, it's a fun style, if weird.
 
Chapter 9.3
(Part 2)​
-Miss M's reactions were gold.
And serve to illustrate the gulf between even mortal heroes and Exalted in their area of specialty.

-Nice depiction of a frazzled teenageer who is subjectively barely a couple days from when she got kidnapped and tortured.
A little surprised they haven't brought in Gloria yet(official next of kin as I understand it) but I guess she is being kept up to date off-screen.

-Kudos on remembering that the PRT have to employ more than one mental health specialist.
And the oblique reference to the fact that there is an entire group of them dedicated to the Philly Wards post-Nine is a neat touch.

The last time you'd been in New York, you and Sakura hadn't been given much of an opportunity to fully tour PRT Tower - both because your road trip to Philadelphia meant that time was limited, and because the two of you (and Aisha, for that matter) hadn't been fully inducted into the Wards program yet.
That actually makes sense.

The two of you didn't make a fuss about the lost opportunity, mainly because… it all felt kind of fuzzy.
A reminder that of all the Wards and Alchemicals in our in-group, the Kurosawa Twins have had the most disruption to their lives.
And that's including Taylor.
Poor girl needs a hug.

Serious, calm, reserved. You and Sakura had even dressed up as her for Halloween three years ago. Well, you had gotten fewer comments on your Armsmaster/MissMilitia fic than Sakura had gotten for her Armsmaster/Dauntless slash, so you were the 'secret villain clone' - her scarf meant that you couldn't wear an Evil Goatee, so you wore a Chinese flag instead of an American one.
:rofl:
"Everything… seems to at least match your previous records, Ms. Kurosawa," the PRT officer hums to himself across the silver table, idly sweeping a hand through his thinning, grey hair and fixing his glasses. "I'm still not entirely comfortable with the degree of core impulse modification that you've demonstrated, however, nor at the inexplicable skill and language acquisition."
I rather like this guy.
Reminds me of a stern old grandfather with a heart of gold, deep underneath the abrasive crust.

Beside him, Miss Militia nods, though she hasn't looked away from you for the whole two-hour interrogation.
Appearance 7 at work.
I wonder if she even noticed.

"Ms. Kurosawa, none of this-" he motions to the papers in front of him with a hand, "is your fault, neither is your new… existence. I have some choice words for Weaver, of course, which are going in my report… but I don't see any further good coming from keeping you under Master/Stranger Protocol Containment."
Granpa!Psychiatrist doesn't seem to like Taylor very much:V
Or is just irritated at a(to him) unqualified civilian making major life-changing decisions for other people.
Can't blame him; most civies would fuck it up, and he has no way of knowing Taylor isn't most civies.

Beyond that, there will still be at least one Protectorate member assigned to you at all times for the next week - both for your own security and… well, for further passive observation."
"Oh," you blink, thinking back. "Like Weaver had before?"
Anyone remember when Weaver had a Protectorate member assigned?

The elder doctor frown disapprovingly as he glances down at the papers on the table, but shakes his head. "No, that was a... unique situation, and I'll be honest: I was the one who pushed for this, independent of the usual Master/Stranger Protocols."
Reassuring to see levels of competence from their mental health services.
Someone took note of what happened when Taylor got a PTSD flash in New York.
It's always nice to work with professionals, and to remember that the PRT have at least a decade of institutional experience at this.

"A-alright," you eventually manage, after thinking about armored bodices long enough to stop leaking all over Miss Militia's camo. Turning your gaze up to her, you realize this is a perfect opportunity: Begging Jutsu, activate! Form of Puppy Eyes! "Can you be my first?"
Saki.
Miss Militia's dark brown eyes widen slightly, enough that you're pretty sure you just shocked her into speechlessness. Critical hit?
Wat r u doin.
Oh, uh... wait... you may have phrased that wrong.
Saki
Stahp.
She blinks, finally, and you can practically see her eyes focus again, resolving into a frown as she tries to figure out- ah, ok, now she's blushing.
:rofl::lol:rofl:
Hannah is going to need a drink. Several, probably.
This is what happens when your life becomes a Japanese anime.
Admittedly, Worm does read sometimes like it was plotted by Hideaki Anno, but even Evangelion got slice of life.

"I…" she coughs, turning her gaze to Dr. Marchbanks… who is giving you a very disapproving glare, "... was scheduled to return to Philadelphia, but… I can… ask?"
Killjoy.:V

But yeah, that's what happens when a mortal non-specialist runs face first into an Exalted adept in her area of specialty.
Saki was hitting Miss Militia with -3 MDV Appearance penalty, and at the same time rolling a dice pool of Cha 7 + Presence 4 + Body Language specialty 3 + Stunt 2.
That's the equivalent of 22 dice.

In comparison, if you gave Miss Militia the stats of a Mortal Hero from Exalted 2E Core, she would have had Cha/Man 3, Presence 2, App2, Willpower 8, Integrity 3. Her Parry MDV would have been (Cha/Man 3 + Presence 2 + Specialty 0)/2, rounded down, = PMDV 2.
Her Dodge MDV would have been (Willpower 8 + Integrity 3 + Specialty 0 + Essence 0)/2, rounded down, = DMDV 5.

The technical term for what happened there is aplanadora.
"If it helps you understand," he tries again, shooting a concerned glance to the worried-looking Miss Militia, "I have been informed that your mere appearance rates a Master 3 rating... and I think that might even need raising."
Heh.
Be thankful that she doesn't have a 1st or 2nd CHA/MAN Aug, or a 3rd App Aug.

It's going to be really awkward when Missy and Aisha both turn up with Husk-Sculpting Apparatus isn't it?
Since HSA does allow you to increase your Appearance, you could have both of them as well as Saki walking around with App 7.
I can smell the frying brain cells from here.
You nod, turning up the Hopeful Eyes again, causing her to look away quickly with a troubled expression.
"Could you… go back to your old appearance, Saki?"
Looking forward to them finding out that looking relatively normal doesn't really change her persuasiveness very much.
She's still throwing Cha/Man 7 + Presence 4 + Body Language 3 + Stunt 2 at people running on oWoD physics.

"I know it might be alarming, Ms. Kurosawa," he says evenly, slowly, "but you need to understand: it is extremely difficult to focus on anything but whatever you are doing or saying. My first instinct is to believe and agree with whatever you say. I've had to constantly remind myself that I am happily married… to my husband."
Heartbreaker is going to pay her a visit, isn't he?
I mean, once she does a TV interview, that's going to be it.

Even closer to home, we might have issues with our very own repressed lesbian yandere.
And then there's Erasmus, the sexual predator disguised as a senior Protectorate agent.
A few seconds pass, and you're the old you.
You'd never really liked the old you, but maybe it's better this way: at least Sakura will recognize you when she gets back.
Downer ending:(
Poor girl needs hugs.
Dear heart, if Taylor could recognize you post-change, so can your sister.

There was a reason why we voted at the beginning of the Quest to have Taylor celebrate the change to App 5 supermodel rather than dwell on the past; it's a healthier headspace for a teenager to be in, let alone a parahuman.
 
Always thought Vista works better with ranged stuff, or fast-in-fast-out stuff like Snake
thanks to Vista's Shard all styles are as ranged as she wants them to be.
styles that synergize with Vista's shard:
ones that like to stay at range, as space warping allows her to keep at range by increasing distance her opponents must cross to get at her.
one that are Hit and run, Space warping means that Vista can quickly attack at melee range from anywhere in the room without actually crossing the intervening space, making retaliatory strikes against her more difficult.
ones that like to get stuck in. Vista can cross the room in a single step and then prevent her opponent from escaping her reach.
ones that are about protecting your allies. Vista can Aid/defend other from just about anywhere in her power range.
styles with powerful AoEs, because space warping means that Vista can sculpt the attack so that is hit's enemies while missing allies, or covers larger or smaller areas.
basically most styles would work well for Vista, as such what style fits her best will be determined by her stats and roll we wish for her to take in combat.

personally I like the idea of making Vista into a either a Lightning Bruiser (so something that's Heavy, and powerful that's either fast or takes advantage her spacewarping to be fast), or a Range style that takes advantage of her ability to warp space for ridiculously accurate shots and give her all the daka she can carry(and power armour for even more daka).

if we talk about Moonsilver, I want Aisha, and Crystal Chameleon fits her perfectly, stealthy yet flashy.
 
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Between Iris' roaming Creation and the looting expedition that was carried out on the place before it went kablooey, it's certainly there.
Might even have been independently reinvented in Autochtonia.
Especially since Auto would have been there when sol was actually created and the event would be in his memory banks.
 
That does nothing to fix her Dodge DV,
She has (Dex 2 + Dodge 1 + Specialty 0 + Essence 3)/2 + Stunt 2, rounded up = DDV 5.
Her PDV is 7, and her shard charm gives her a perfect dodge.
She really is fine.

You are going to have to be rolling superhuman amounts of dice, or using parahuman powers, or exploiting coordinated attack rules, to hit her.
And she has Alloyed Reinforcement for that, as well as Lord Grasp.
And we are requiring mote expenditure for the anima,
5m activates the anima power for a scene, and those motes aren't committed; she recovers 4m of that with her first 2-die stunt.
Not an issue.
Well that's more changes I don't give a shit about.
Your prerogative.
As long as you are having fun.

I am going to point out that the un-errata'd VBoS was much more killy.
Even post-errata, you can practice it with any sword or knife. Including a grand daiklave.
And he might find it an unpleasant surprise should he actually be stupid enough to try that.
Exalted.
That goes without saying.
Mr Vasil's greed does tend to overwhelm his good sense; see when he tried to move in on BB after the Undersiders took it over in canon.
 
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Mr Vasil's greed does tend to overwhelm his good sense; see when he tried to move in on BB after the Undersiders took it over in canon.
did he? can't say I remember that, all I remember was that Imp walked right through all of his defenses and knifed him in memory of Regent.
 
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Can't wait for everyone (including Saki) to realize that Saki has what basically amounts to state mandated torture charms, mind altering charms etc. And that these are pretty much standard items where they come from.
 
Your prerogative.
As long as you are having fun.

I am going to point out that the un-errata'd VBoS was much more killy.
Even post-errata, you can practice it with any sword or knife. Including a grand daiklave.
The problem is that reading all the errata, there is really obvious bias.
VBS did need a nerf, but not having three whole charms stripped, and at least 3 others seriously nerfed. Sids in general have that problem, they were nerfed way to hard. Lunar's had a similar issue on a smaller scale, while Solar's saw buffs. Ink Monkey Influence Detected.
Even closer to home, we might have issues with our very own repressed lesbian yandere.
And then there's Erasmus, the sexual predator disguised as a senior Protectorate agent.
These are the ones that really worry me. Erasmus is really creepy, and something needs to be done about him.
if we take about Moonsilver, I want Aisha, and Crystal Chameleon fits her perfectly, stealthy yet flashy.
Oh yessssss
And he might find it an unpleasant surprise should he actually be stupid enough to try that.
Stepped on by pagoda is a bad way to go.
Can't wait for everyone (including Saki) to realize that Saki has what basically amounts to state mandated torture charms, mind altering charms etc. And that these are pretty much standard items where they come from.
That will be fun. I hope Saki realizes first and uses hose social skills to spin it well tot he PRT.
 
That will be fun. I hope Saki realizes first and uses hose social skills to spin it well tot he PRT.
The other thing is, the PRT really likes actually having recordings of the powers in actions, if for no other reasons than there own records. So they are eventually going to have to let Saki POS someone and take it on faith that she didn't do any mental re-arranging. :3
 
did he can't say I remember that? all I remember was that Imp walked right through all of his defenses and knifed him in memory of Regent.
It was around the time when Tattletale wrote Taylor a letter while she was in jail
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Tt here.

You probably want to know the situation. We're all alive, Accord hasn't turned on us yet, things are getting more exciting but we'll manage. Heroes are leaving us alone, like you arranged. Trick will be to get Regent and Imp to stop prodding them for reactions when they cross ways.

Heartbreaker making initial forays, decided to pay a visit. Can't tell if he's invading or after Regent. Red Hands are a little more aggressive but not too bad. Meeting for negotiations tonight. Lost Garden approacheth, sending members after us and trying to clear way for Barrow to advance. Annoying but no problem until they enter city limits.Type your article here
Source: Drone 23.3, Worm
 
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