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Against the Tide - Germany 1932.

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McLuvin said:
Don't worry guys, we have the greatest German general in centuries to lead our troops... Let them come, let them die at the hands of true soldiers, lets them bleed themselves against the walls of the true defenders of Germany. For The Prince, For the Doctor and For the Landwehr!
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He's not leading your troops. He's off in Baden giving a speech. You weren't exactly prepared for a NSDAP uprising.
 
It'd have been nice to have not wasted that vote on the family matter, but at least the rest of it seems to have gone well? Assuming we're not assassinated right away.
 
Are we going to have to roll to see how the conflict goes or is it decided automatically?
Because we are in a real sticky situation here.
 
What I want to know is what the cops/army is going to do?

I know that the chief and his higher ranked cops are probally bribed or closet nazi's and the beatcops are simply too afraid to go against a mob of brown shirts but..dude if they really did have blood on the street than it'll be the national story of the century!

I just can't see the judicial system not trialing people for agitation, murder, and terroism.

Which brings me to a plan. The Leader of the SA is Ernst Rohm and was instrumental in helping hitler gain power. Later in the years he was killed by hiter because he was abit too socialist and because of polotics.

For now he's important so what if we got his arrested for agitation by the legal courts? It would temporarily leave the SA leaderless and confused while also giving us some very precious ammou against the Nazi's for being anarchists. We could even say that Hitler himself can't control his rabid supporters to make him look weak/inefficient.
 
3man75 said:
What I want to know is what the cops/army is going to do?

I know that the chief and his higher ranked cops are probally bribed or closet nazi's and the beatcops are simply too afraid to go against a mob of brown shirts but..dude if they really did have blood on the street than it'll be the national story of the century!

I just can't see the judicial system not trialing people for agitation, murder, and terroism.

Which brings me to a plan. The Leader of the SA is Ernst Rohm and was instrumental in helping hitler gain power. Later in the years he was killed by hiter because he was abit too socialist and because of polotics.

For now he's important so what if we got his arrested for agitation by the legal courts? It would temporarily leave the SA leaderless and confused while also giving us some very precious ammou against the Nazi's for being anarchists. We could even say that Hitler himself can't control his rabid supporters to make him look weak/inefficient.
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We should have used that as a write-in on one of the previous turns. Hopefully its not too late.
 
3man75 said:
What I want to know is what the cops/army is going to do?

I know that the chief and his higher ranked cops are probally bribed or closet nazi's and the beatcops are simply too afraid to go against a mob of brown shirts but..dude if they really did have blood on the street than it'll be the national story of the century!

I just can't see the judicial system not trialing people for agitation, murder, and terroism.

Which brings me to a plan. The Leader of the SA is Ernst Rohm and was instrumental in helping hitler gain power. Later in the years he was killed by hiter because he was abit too socialist and because of polotics.

For now he's important so what if we got his arrested for agitation by the legal courts? It would temporarily leave the SA leaderless and confused while also giving us some very precious ammou against the Nazi's for being anarchists. We could even say that Hitler himself can't control his rabid supporters to make him look weak/inefficient.
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I don't think we have the political pull for that right now. And I'm not sure what would happen if they tried to arrest him right now. They probably won't try because they know he won't listen.
 
Except historically the SA WAS BANNED by Paupen for riots and street violence. It's very possible to ban them again and relegate them to a underground movement which would be a blow to NSDAP's prestige as well as a way to break up Nazi rallies within Bavaria by other Paramilitaries.

Also what's our goal again? An how are we suppose to achieve it?

Also what's our plan to fix the german economy? Can we renegotiate loan rates or something with the U.S?

EDIT: Holy shit Keynes thougth the treaty was too harsh? Damn and the guy was in Goverment at the time.

Treaty of Versailles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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3man75 said:
Except historically the SA WAS BANNED by Paupen for riots and street violence. It's very possible to ban them again and relegate them to a underground movement which would be a blow to NSDAP's prestige as well as a way to break up Nazi rallies within Bavaria by other Paramilitaries.
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And the SA was peacefully disbanded, it's members went home and got productive jobs/lived in their parents basements, and the NSDAP was never a political force again.

3man75 said:
Also what's our goal again? An how are we suppose to achieve it?
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Have someone, anyone, other than Hitler take over.

Germany is going to obtain and economic and political de facto hegemony over continental Europe regardless of what happens. We should try to get there without killing tens of millions of people (including Germans) and losing East Prussia and Silesia.
 
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A victory state would be the NSDAP and KPD being decisively defeated.

A fail state would be Hugo dying, or all Germany being taken over by the NSDAP or KPD
 
This is not something that the police will be able to handle alone. The SA is larger at this point than the actual German military.

We have the advantage that the militias that we've successfully welded together are more experienced and numerous taken together than the SA, at least within Bavaria. Unfortunately, it seems that we were caught flat-footed and they'll have the initial momentum. Our re-organization and ability to hold out against this initial strike will play a critical role in whether we cut it or not.
 
Well, I'm still working on that results update (Making things satisfying is hard) but until then, have an info dump from my reference sheet

Bavarian Landtag (December 5th 1932)
132 Seats
Bavarian People's party - 45 Seats (26 DnPB affiliated)
National Socialist German Worker's Party - 43 Seats
Social Democrat Party - 20 Seats (20 DnPB affiliated)
Communist Party of Germany - 8 Seats
Bavarian Peasants League - 3 Seats (1 DnPB affiliated)
German People's Party/German National People's Party-Pfalz - 6 Seats (6 DnPB affiliated)
German People's Party - 2 Seats (2 DnPB affiliated)
Independent - 3 Seats (3 DnPB affiliated)
Vacant - 2 Seats
 
The Karvoka Man said:
Well, I'm still working on that results update (Making things satisfying is hard) but until then, have an info dump from my reference sheet

Bavarian Landtag (December 5th 1932)
132 Seats
Bavarian People's party - 45 Seats (26 DnPB affiliated)
National Socialist German Worker's Party - 43 Seats
Social Democrat Party - 20 Seats (20 DnPB affiliated)
Communist Party of Germany - 8 Seats
Bavarian Peasants League - 3 Seats (1 DnPB affiliated)
German People's Party/German National People's Party-Pfalz - 6 Seats (6 DnPB affiliated)
German People's Party - 2 Seats (2 DnPB affiliated)
Independent - 3 Seats (3 DnPB affiliated)
Vacant - 2 Seats
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Didn't we chose an option last turn that essentially ensured Rupprecht's victory? Also Held is with us, and with him all of the BVP, no?
 
Question: What would happen if we refused to pay reparations until they were renegotiated?
 
The reparations had already been renegotiated several times by end of 1932 from what I recall.
 
3man75 said:
Except historically the SA WAS BANNED by Paupen for riots and street violence. It's very possible to ban them again and relegate them to a underground movement which would be a blow to NSDAP's prestige as well as a way to break up Nazi rallies within Bavaria by other Paramilitaries.

Also what's our goal again? An how are we suppose to achieve it?

Also what's our plan to fix the german economy? Can we renegotiate loan rates or something with the U.S?

EDIT: Holy shit Keynes thougth the treaty was too harsh? Damn and the guy was in Goverment at the time.

Treaty of Versailles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Weinmar government negotiated and renegotiated multiple loans from the USA throughout the 20's as well as making efforts at renegotiating the reparations. The former was far more successful but they made progress on the second.

Only the French really liked Versailles.
Satoshixkasumi said:
Doing war world 2 smartly?
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Once it becomes a world war Germany is fucked. With a bit more luck and better leadership WW1 was perfectly winnable for Imperial Germany up until around 1917, the odds in a perspective round 2 are nowhere near as even.
 
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