After the Ashes: A Fire Nation Chancellor Quest

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The issue is that we are unlikely to keep all the colonies. Particularly the newer ones which are the source of our cheap resources.
Yes, the newer colonies are definitely forfeit, but their producing resources the earth kingdom doesn't have the facilities to process or the factories to feed those resources into. An arrangement can likely be come to for those communities to change hands, with trade agreements that sees the resources overall tend to keep flowing into the colonies and finished goods from the fire nation flow into the earth kingdom at cost.
 
Yes, the newer colonies are definitely forfeit, but their producing resources the earth kingdom doesn't have the facilities to process or the factories to feed those resources into. An arrangement can likely be come to for those communities to change hands, with trade agreements that sees the resources to keep flowing into the colonies and finished goods from the fire nation flow into the earth kingdom at cost.
Good luck trying to explain that concept to the Avatar with the Harmony Restoration Movement happening (in at least some form).

Granted Toph would probably understand the notion (and potentially be able to find a big enough rock to hammer it into Aang's skull).
 
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An arrangement can likely be come to for those communities to change hands, with trade agreements that sees the resources overall tend to keep flowing into the colonies and finished goods from the fire nation flow into the earth kingdom at cost.
That could require earth kingdom contacts to facilitate or at least make easier. But that clashes with fact that option with them lack backing/cooperation of other faction leaving us somewhat stranded in court
 
That could require earth kingdom contacts to facilitate or at least make easier. But that clashes with fact that option with them lack backing/cooperation of other faction leaving us somewhat stranded in court
If we work it right we can get the backing of factions interested in keeping access to those resources to keep their factories running, and in the militarist by offering an alternative avenue of employment for the soldiers by having them guard the caravans in the rapidly descending into banditry earth kingdom, obviously while out of uniform.
 
I'm feeling the Scholar-Bureaucrat and the Benefit reforms. It can be a great investment and given her financial expertise I reckon she'd handle it well. It may be expensive, but I think it's worth it in the end. Maybe we can turn our warmaking energies into a war on poverty? We're likely due for an economic crisis with the end of the war so it may be a good opportunity. She's tactful too and is presumably familiar with industrialists, so she would be well placed to avoid stepping on their toes too much.
 
[] bending revitalization,

I do like this. Should give us some sway with the traditionalists without giving away too much, while also pushing the broader fire nation culture in a less martial direction.

Also comeon pseudo fireworks.


edit Also i do kinda like the idea of a Colonialist with a modernist bent. It'll give our mc broad popular support and should help cement Zuko in a nice spot as our loyal opposition with the traditionalists.


Their colonial background should blunt most of the harsher edges of the modernist philosophy.While also keeping Zuko favourably predisposed towards her.
 
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an imposing older woman, possessing a soldier's build, though such was to be expected from an officer in the Colonial Security Forces [...]
[Willful, Honorable, Colonial Officer, Mild Militarist Inclinations, Early 50s]
While militarist backing could be useful, the stuborness and being earth kingdom unrest-supresing officer and being Old are unlikely to mesh with new fire lord well.
a wiry woman of middle age, possessing a scholar's frame much similar to his; that wasn't much of a surprise given her role as a Scholar-Bureaucrat [...]
[Tactful, Diligent, Scholar-Bureaucrat, Mercantilist Inclination. Mid 40ss]
While double s at the end is problematic, as a whole this version of MC is quite good and would mesh well with nature stweardship. Midle age could cause some small issues with team Avatar seeing as she would be the same age as their parents.
[] a beautiful young woman, clad in the disconcertingly foreign garb so favored by the socialites and debutantes of the Colonies, though such was not a surprise given the fact that she stood foremost among them. While holding no official title, she was a sufficiently Popular Debutante [...]
[Eloquent, Passionate, Popular Debutante, Modernist Inclination, Mid 30s]
My personal favourite for cooperation with team Avatar while age gap is still big, her passion could help with presenting our position in way that they can understand. Being popular debutante will probably help with spreading support for Zuko's and ours plans.
[] a subdued and almost strangely normal woman; a part of him was surprised that the guards managed to pick her out at all, though he supposed that the Ministry of Domestic Harmony was well incentivized to keep tabs on individuals such as her. After all, she was a Sanctioned Broker
[Likeable, Subtle, Sanctioned Broker, Earth Kingdom Contacts, Late 30s]
Lack of backing in home isles makes this choice difficult, but earth kingdom contacts could help a lot to smoother partcial decolonisation. Intrigue will also be useful to detect threats at home.
bending revitalization
Is needed for health of a national culture/soul and we or rather Zuko has everything to mange this transision. It will hopefully create an opurtunity to make the army smaller by raising standards.
public benefit reform
We don't have money, but it could be useful to placate the public. Quite useful.
Good for Scholar-Bureaucrat who could manage the transition to it, but difficult for the rest. Probably will help with spirits.
This to me is least urgent thing on the agenda, sure many people will be sad over this, but it won't kill that many people or help prevent the civil war. To me at least this is oh that's nice kind of agenda
 
Family code reform I believe should be given top focus, it's a product of Sozins militancy (and being mad his bff didn't want to become his boyfriend) and the sooner we start on reforming the code the sooner fire nation culture gets less toxic
 
Speaking of this; how often were colonies made by taking over Earth Kingdom settlements versus being built from the ground up?

Because the resources that the industrializing Fire Nation would want are presumably at least somewhat different than the Earth Kingdom. That and the FN are presumably at least a bit more comfortable on and around water (archipelago homeland, long standing naval tradition etc) so they'd be happy to settle in place the EK wouldn't.

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This is going to be a running gag isn't it?
Initial colonies were established in areas that were believed to meet the strategic needs of the Fire Nation; resource-rich areas were targeted, but the Fire Nation also seized a number of western ports to facilitate extraction and source workforces for their new endeavors. The first colonies were on largely uninhabitated islands, something that the Earth King at the time attempted to fight them on... which is how Sozin justified the seizure of the port cities.

Qin is a perceptive fellow, he'll catch on quick :p
In all seriousness: it'll fade quickly in the court, particularly when Mai becomes a more regular presence, but his enemies will continue using it as a form of slander.

While double s at the end is problematic, as a whole this version of MC is quite good and would mesh well with nature stweardship. Midle age could cause some small issues with team Avatar seeing as she would be the same age as their parents.
I'll fix that, thanks!

Family code reform I believe should be given top focus, it's a product of Sozins militancy (and being mad his bff didn't want to become his boyfriend) and the sooner we start on reforming the code the sooner fire nation culture gets less toxic
The family code is interesting because it's a document that very much reflects Sozin's personal and political positions. The divorce laws were intended to cement strong familial relations in the hopes of increasing population growth though have mostly had the effect of trapping people in unhappy marriages. The laws around domestic abuse would be considered progressive in some limited ways, recognizing and criminalizing things like marital rape, while also providing proscriptions around the appropriate circumstances and methods to apply corporal punishment to a child. The ban on homosexuality was entirely political and targeted primarily against his sister, a gay woman, who was attempting to undermine his rule and plot a coup.
 
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Family code reform I believe should be given top focus, it's a product of Sozins militancy (and being mad his bff didn't want to become his boyfriend) and the sooner we start on reforming the code the sooner fire nation culture gets less toxic
It really isn't, that would be bending based on anger and wrath.
[] The family code lays down standardized national laws around marriage, divorce, abuse, adoption, and inheritance. The code notably restricts divorce, mandates single-child inheritance, restricts domestic abuse, and bans homosexuality. While it has since come to be lauded by some as a defense of the family, there is a quiet movement for its form; supporting such openly would be controversial, but has the potential to be a somewhat popular move should it succeed.
It has 1 really bad thing banning of homosexuality (which if we assume everything is the same as in our world would dirrectly impact around 10% of population) with 1 bad (restricted divorce could've been intendent to prevent person in power from abandoning their spouce, but it still needs to be changed) and one midily bad (1 child inheritence is like contributing factor towards military recruitment and desire for more land but given the age of soldiers being probably bellow 30 we have at least a decade or more to fix that, but problem could remain given culture already stablised around one kid gets all so even without mandate most will probably still do that)
 
I'll be honest. We've picked the colonial. I want to play into that.

All of the options are good. But in my humble opinion? Zuko and Aang are just too nice. So. My pick would be sanctioned broker in order to engage in some spycraft. But the other side of that, is limited diplomacy with the earth kingdom and its peoples.

And. We're going to need diplomacy in order to talk The Avatar and fire lord into not breaking apart families.

Another Major thing? The Dai Li. As far as I'm concerned? They're my grand prize. Elite earthbenders. Some of the very best, trained as spies and enforcers. Operation paperclipping them would be a coup. Pardon the pun. But ultimately, the fire nation gained an industrial advantage with firebending. However, with the invention of metalbending? We've seen, not only are metalbenders powerful on the battlefield, but being able to directly manipulate metal lends itself to all kinds of industrial uses. It's no accident that in the original timeline Kuvira's earth empire made such heavy use of metalbending. It's rare, and difficult to learn, but powerful. However to use it? We need earthbenders. And the Dai Li's own unique style of earthbending isn't too bad either.

All of which ties in neatly with bending revitalisation.

We see time and time again. That benders who incorporate lessons from other styles are powerful. Katara is a waterbending master, and when faced with another waterbending master far more experience? (Hama) Katara initially tries the standard waterbender counterattacking. But when that fails? She uses an 'earthbending form' to break apart the wave of water, shattering Hama's momentum. And it's a move that the older waterbender wasn't expecting and had no answer to. The other big example is lightning redirection. Firebending, but using waterbending principles to redirect the energy. Just as learning the other elements makes the Avatar stronger? Taking Lessons from other styles can make other benders stronger too.
 
I will say one thing to consider here is that we are shaping our mc with the hobby causes they're fighting for. That might be something to consider not just the wider political effects. Their stance on these issue might affect how they aproach other ones.
 
I'll be honest. We've picked the colonial. I want to play into that.

All of the options are good. But in my humble opinion? Zuko and Aang are just too nice. So. My pick would be sanctioned broker in order to engage in some spycraft. But the other side of that, is limited diplomacy with the earth kingdom and its peoples.

And. We're going to need diplomacy in order to talk The Avatar and fire lord into not breaking apart families.

Another Major thing? The Dai Li. As far as I'm concerned? They're my grand prize. Elite earthbenders. Some of the very best, trained as spies and enforcers. Operation paperclipping them would be a coup. Pardon the pun. But ultimately, the fire nation gained an industrial advantage with firebending. However, with the invention of metalbending? We've seen, not only are metalbenders powerful on the battlefield, but being able to directly manipulate metal lends itself to all kinds of industrial uses. It's no accident that in the original timeline Kuvira's earth empire made such heavy use of metalbending. It's rare, and difficult to learn, but powerful. However to use it? We need earthbenders. And the Dai Li's own unique style of earthbending isn't too bad either.

All of which ties in neatly with bending revitalisation.

We see time and time again. That benders who incorporate lessons from other styles are powerful. Katara is a waterbending master, and when faced with another waterbending master far more experience? (Hama) Katara initially tries the standard waterbender counterattacking. But when that fails? She uses an 'earthbending form' to break apart the wave of water, shattering Hama's momentum. And it's a move that the older waterbender wasn't expecting and had no answer to. The other big example is lightning redirection. Firebending, but using waterbending principles to redirect the energy. Just as learning the other elements makes the Avatar stronger? Taking Lessons from other styles can make other benders stronger too.
I think the spy character is very cool and I do think they could so some very useful things. But I don't think they'd be great as a leader.


I'd definitely want to recruit them or someone with similar skills. However in order go negotiate with the earth nation we need to have support on our side to have something to negotiate with.For that we need support back in the homeland while we're leading it as well as back in the colonies.

Otherwise i could see the colonies working with the earth nation being a faultline for a nasty civil war.

edit also I'm somewhat worried about the idea of recruiting the dai li. How you do something can affect things almost as much as what you choose to do. I'm worried that if we recruit a highly effective secret police force just having them an as option and as part of the government might skew our politica in an undesirable direction.

Also just diplomatically might not be great for our relationship with the earth kingdom if we're harbouring them ?
 
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[] a wiry woman of middle age, possessing a scholar's frame much similar to his; that wasn't much of a surprise given her role as a Scholar-Bureaucrat in Yu Dao, though he found some satisfaction in the idea that intellectuals might once more find influence in the court, even if they were Colonial. His office had dealt with her in the past, her authority over commerce in Yu Dao having made her a necessary contact for the construction of the air fleet, and the things he'd heard were good for the most part. She had little fear of the new but was not an iconoclast or radical; he was told that the mercantilist faction had fostered a healthy partnership with her over the years, in large part due to her influence over colonial commerce. [Tactful, Diligent, Scholar-Bureaucrat, Mercantilist Inclination. Mid 40s]

Second chance at unleashing the free market!

[] bending revitalization, a movement across both the home isles and the colonies that sought to maintain and restore the knowledge of the traditional forms of fire bending, both those of a ritual and cultural nature. Fire dancing, calligraphy, and sky shows were all major features of the movement's efforts, all of which are arts that were significantly deemphasized in the national academies which have since begun to focus primarily on the combat applications of firebending. This is respected among the traditionalists, though lacks broader appeal outside of those who yearn for the largely lost arts of the Fire Nation's past.

Let us rejuvenate the Fire Nation's spiritual traditions. A spiritual awakening is what's needed to confront the evils of the past. Seems like something we'd have Zuko's backing on.
 
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has 1 really bad thing banning of homosexuality (which if we assume everything is the same as in our world would dirrectly impact around 10% of population) with 1 bad (restricted divorce could've been intendent to prevent person in power from abandoning their spouce, but it still needs to be changed) and one midily bad (1 child inheritence is like contributing factor towards military recruitment and desire for more land but given the age of soldiers being probably bellow 30 we have at least a decade or more to fix that, but problem could remain given culture already stablised around one kid gets all so even without mandate most will probably still do that
Honestly the single child inheritance thing is IMHO as bad as outlawing homosexuality since it basically encourages Azula types and leads to a lot of people joining the military since they have no chance of inheriting anything
 
  • [] a subdued and almost strangely normal woman; a part of him was surprised that the guards managed to pick her out at all, though he supposed that the Ministry of Domestic Harmony was well incentivized to keep tabs on individuals such as her. After all, she was a Sanctioned Broker, a more polite term for a spy, and one of the few people that the Fire Nation retained to handle under-the-table talks with the Earth Kingdom, a fraught endeavor given the hostility that exists between the two powers. Still, given the Fire Lord's evident intentions of making peace with the Earth Kingdom, it might prove advantageous to have someone familiar with them to arrange it… and her lack of allies in court would make it relatively easy to see her removed when the time came. [Likeable, Subtle, Sanctioned Broker, Earth Kingdom Contacts, Late 30s]
  • [] bending revitalization, a movement across both the home isles and the colonies that sought to maintain and restore the knowledge of the traditional forms of fire bending, both those of a ritual and cultural nature. Fire dancing, calligraphy, and sky shows were all major features of the movement's efforts, all of which are arts that were significantly deemphasized in the national academies which have since begun to focus primarily on the combat applications of firebending. This is respected among the traditionalists, though lacks broader appeal outside of those who yearn for the largely lost arts of the Fire Nation's past.
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By the way, are we voting for plans, or individual aspects of personality?
 
Not keen on the soldier or the spy. The first would make Zuko antagonistic by default while the second's lack of allies and relevant experience could be crippling.

For the hobby… actually favour the bending. It is positive rather than reactive, wanting to make something beautiful rather than just fight against something. And if Earthbenders are part of Fire Nation cultural displays then it undermines efforts to cleave off the colonies.

No opinion on the name. I'm given to understand Lee is popular?
 
I'm inclined to go with the diplomatic modernist. A certain amount of eloquence will be needed to deal with all the feathers we're going to ruffle, and I definitely feel that some modernist tendencies will help in trying to rapidly change our economy to deal with the changing circumstances.

Also, yeah, the Bending Revitilization feels like it would have lots of benefit. If the key to Bending power is no longer 'be as angry and pissed off at the world as possible' that might have some serious knock on effects elsewhere. It also is something that allows us a better working relationship with Zuko as well. It's not like we don't have to worry about that. And it will appeal to the tradionalists, and does something to balance out our modernist tendencies.
 
Guys I know the colonial agenda won out, but if we go even further and pick the spy what do we even have for a power base? Seeing we're in the Fire Nation and not the EK or the colonies not much. We should pick the mercantilist or the modernist for actually having a powerbase thus not wasting valuable time and political capital on building one instead of dismantling the unlimited genocide machine™. And the militarist doesn't have much hope either considering how much dismantling the unlimited genocide machine™ will wreck her "powerbase".

So I'm all in on [] Plan: Hope to the future with lessons of the past
 
Guys I know the colonial agenda won out, but if we go even further and pick the spy what do we even have for a power base?

The Fire lord himself? The Avatar? If we can hold on to some of the colonies, then they provide raw materials and act as a market for home isles produced goods.

If we can negotiate well enough to keep a bunch of the land then we've got some land to parcel out to militarists and so on.
 
The Fire lord himself? The Avatar? If we can hold on to some of the colonies
I don't think 2 people make a powerbase but even if they did every other character is also guaranteed to have it (for the start anyways)
If we can hold on to some of the colonies, then they provide raw materials and act as a market for home isles produced goods.

If we can negotiate well enough to keep a bunch of the land then we've got some land to parcel out to militarists and so on.
Doubtful considering the... anti colonial fervor the quest itself and the Firelord and Avatar in universe find themselves in. Still i think even if we "hold on to some of the colonies" they would be very autonomous and use the various states of the EK as balance act against us, i'm not sure how much we can "parcel out to militarists". I'm doubtful on the usefulness of the EK contacts compared to having contacts right here in the Fire Nation basically.
 
I don't think 2 people make a powerbase but even if they did every other character is also guaranteed to have it (for the start anyways)
Earth kingdom contacts, the merchantilists who want to keep receiving valuable resources for fire nation processing plants and factories to process, the militarists who can avoid having all of the fire nations soldiers shifted to other careers by reforming portions of the army into a new caravan guarding corps as the earth kingdoms now defunct armies go increasingly bandit now that the war is over.

Your really kind of underestimating how to seed the earth kingdom is going to go over the next decade now that the Unifying enemy is standing down and an army of stubborn slow to change thugs is being left without jobs. It's going to be a rough few years, but with luck and careful planning we can leverage what the fire nation has in abundance, soldiers and industry, to establish a pro colonies focus shift for two thirds of the fire nations factions.
 
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One reason the spy might be a problem is that our method of using our spy skills to keep opposition in line is something that Zuko might have some issues with.

So while you can always make a case for every role that other factions might be convinced in sharing some advantages, the Spy is the one who explicitly does NOT get innate support from any internal faction.

Edit: Obviously, all these options are workable. Granite made them. But if we're going spy, I feel that means we're going to have to play the subtle game of divide and conquer, gathering blackmail, etc. And I don't think that's really SV's jam. Being a passionate, charming person and trying to modernize our way into prosperity is something that I think we'll have more fun with.
 
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One reason the spy might be a problem is that our method of using our spy skills to keep opposition in line is something that Zuko might have some issues with.
A reminder that Zuko is the guy who has, infiltrated the north pole to abduct the avatar, infiltrated a fire nation fortress to free the avatar, infiltrated ba sing se to try and start a new life, infiltrated the fire nation capitol to appear in the last minutes of his sisters coronation to challenge her to an Agni Kai. Him having a problem with spy methods isn't particularly likely as long as we aren't resorting to particularly despicable methods, rather than simple exchange of information and sneaking about.
So while you can always make a case for every role that other factions might be convinced in sharing some advantages, the Spy is the one who explicitly does NOT get innate support from any internal faction.
Yes, she has no allies to start with, and no one intrinsically against her either, and a descent likelihood that the various factions will be at least interested in feeling her out as a potential ally. A neutral start is a flexible start, not an outright poor one.
 
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