Love that 100% of our social techs continue to come from Richy going "fine I'll fix it myself" and ordering the economy to get better via wartime emergency powers.
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Last turn we mauled their armor, conducted a significant offensive and well, dealt a big blow to the collaborator government. I suspect we are only getting as good a deal as this on the back of that performance, which will be difficult to repeat for a while. Furthermore, this is very time sensitive, since they haven't paid for the third wave's mercs yet. Once they do, sunk cost will get a lot worse.
Also, it does seem they will honor it. It will suck a bit having to well, give trade concessions to them. But frankly this has been a wash for the CLP and that's enough for me.
Also, it does seem they will honor it. It will suck a bit having to well, give trade concessions to them. But frankly this has been a wash for the CLP and that's enough for me.
cryptoam
building an 1980s encrypted protocol
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Yeah, am in favor of taking this deal right now. While we are likely capable of continuing the resistance until the end(where the enemy would cease this war), it will greatly degrade our infra and cause a lot of damage. The deal means we also don't have to deal with the next wave(which would contain a sizable amount of enemy forces). The deal also gets us reasonably good access to the rest of the galactic community and a lot of breathing room(at least 20 normal turns).
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possible impossibility
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sign the deal, we can use that time to rebuild and prepare incase they decide to go back on the deal.
A part of me sincerely wants to continue the war because I want the Alien Enemy to be driven out, but I am mostly for Accepting the Peace Offer if only to deal with the oncoming Fascist problem and make the Economy not the Military's problem.
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Though if we sign the treaty, we'd damn well better keep working on those OFACs and their successor designs. Don't want anyone getting stroppy.
EDIT: Also, on our new moon base, we need a giant green glowing radioactive statue of a special forces commando in a vac-suit with a backpack nuke on his back, extending a giant upraised middle finger to the universe.
EDIT: Also, on our new moon base, we need a giant green glowing radioactive statue of a special forces commando in a vac-suit with a backpack nuke on his back, extending a giant upraised middle finger to the universe.
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Damn. This is honestly an excellent opportunity. The best part is that the board kept saying we'd crumble any day now - instead, the CLP folded.
My guess is that this is because of their belief the government is onto them, so they're trying to cut their losses quick.
My guess is that this is because of their belief the government is onto them, so they're trying to cut their losses quick.
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Well congrats ladies and gents we just won our first interstellar conflict with almost no civilian casualties and moderate ecological devastation.
We were gonna roll them eventually with our new tanks anyways, why settle for a white peace when you can actually win?
Probably because winning doesn't actually get us more except we get to avoid a payment that's likely below our notice and more months of lost economic growth. Our win state is they leave the system, we were never going to get more than that from them.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Plus the next phase of the war is likely to involve the Mouran Islands, which are our main industrial and population centers. Fighting there will involve a lot of major devastation that could take years or longer to recover from.
Because then we would have more time to address the issues that have been cropping up like the growing fascist problem, rebuilding, and trying to fix the Economy that has been on War Economy and is starting to have problems.
Eventually, someone is going to run a quest where the Highly Rational Peace is actually just perfidy and a pure blunder.
It might be this time, given the previous behavior of the enemy trying to portray themselves as benevolent uplifers in order to impose colony status. If this deal is as written they're basically getting nothing out of it, which is suspicious. The rational conclusion is that the deal isn't as written, and aims essentially to make Dannan a neocolony instead.
The issue isn't what's written, but what is not written. We will be "independent" but isolated from the galaxy except by gateways maintained by the enemy, fleets prepared to "restore order" if we disrupt this relationship and fail to gradually worsen the deal into colony status ourselves. This is long-term defeat, have no doubt.
It looks good for us and bad for them for a reason.
It might be this time, given the previous behavior of the enemy trying to portray themselves as benevolent uplifers in order to impose colony status. If this deal is as written they're basically getting nothing out of it, which is suspicious. The rational conclusion is that the deal isn't as written, and aims essentially to make Dannan a neocolony instead.
The issue isn't what's written, but what is not written. We will be "independent" but isolated from the galaxy except by gateways maintained by the enemy, fleets prepared to "restore order" if we disrupt this relationship and fail to gradually worsen the deal into colony status ourselves. This is long-term defeat, have no doubt.
It looks good for us and bad for them for a reason.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
We are literally reading their private mail from that Nat 100 on Decryption that shows that it's not a trick.
All that shows is that they believe in this course of action, which is irrelevant. This is how you get intervened on as a rogue state, the "honor" ideology their military forces allegedly have only makes that more certain.
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these are also mercenaries so I really don't know how far "honor" will go.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
They don't have an "honor" ideology. They have a concept of war as something other than total war, which the Seelie don't.
All you're doing is exactly the same sort of scaremongering that the PSC Fascists are doing in-universe about eternal war of annihilation against the Alien Enemy.
The terms are so generous because the Salamanders needed it to be this generous just to get it through the Seelie's thick skulls that it's genuine. The mercs are doing this because they can see the writing on the wall of how many Armored Corps we have and will keep having vs how many reinforcements they're getting, and the math doesn't come out in the Salamanders' favor, and they don't want to die.
If they had fleets ready to come in and "intervene", they would have already sent them in as reinforcements. We have been reading their strategic mail and know that their cupboard is basically dry after this reinforcement wave.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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The thing here is that rational combatants just... don't tend to fight elective wars until their own destruction.
Yes, there are polities that historically do and have, but such groups aren't known for their competence and rationality.
It's not at all an aberration for a conflict to appear be turning in the favor of the defender, and then for the aggressor to see that they're losing, cut their losses, and concede.
Especially if, in this case, it's the mercenary wing of the CLP that's very obviously more in touch with reality than the suits who's pushing for this, and twisting the suits' arm to do so.
Mercenaries most of all like to live to spend their money and our guys have certainly made it so that there family or whoever is getting it instead with the present of there dead body to bury or cremate if they are lucky.
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