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Ace Combat XCOM: Enemy Skies

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Zoosmell said:
Excellent! Because my long-term goal is pretty simple.

Once we get Huginn and Muninn, have them observe and analyze any pilot we get to S-rank (ideally SS or SSR rank, but those may be a bit too busy) any time we can afford to have them do so. Even on missions, if possible - have them assist where necessary, but until we can make enough Raven platforms to not have to worry (too much) about it, their survival will be just as important as that of our SSR pilots. Maybe more so.

Eventually we might be able to retire most of our pilots entirely and have a fleet of proto-Nemos flying around removing ayy.

Maybe even find out if we can build modified Arsenal Birds to carry whole squadrons of them.
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Ummm... You sure it's a good idea to let the Ravens out? They did try to go Skynet only a few months ago. Yeah, they would be a massive asset, but still. Also, there is the possibility that the Lighthouse War vets would object.
 
On the matter of Drones, Huginn and Munnin didn't go full Skynet, things were working just as intended. The Drone Program was made with the intention of defeating Osea by breeding the ultimate warmachines, but Erusea fractured and there was no one overseeing the Drone Program anymore save for the Strategic AI itself.

The AI was just fulfilling its purpose, crushing Osea, and no one had the keys to shut it down.

If we ever get Drones on that level again, we'll need more and constant human oversight, to soothe the problems our pilots and the world as a whole has with Drones.

As for the Plane, did buying the Su add another 50 Focus to the budget?
 
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Oh boy...we might need to calm down soon enough before we get a stroke.

Also we need to study the basics first, and then upgrade our planes with new tech, start with our ace of aces, and then work down so rookies don't get us all killed.

Also we're going to need a way to at least get our fighter pilots to S ranked level and have squadrons based on the leaders callsign.

Because I admit, Farman needs a new name, it's a nice gag but please call him Farman...it would at least give him some daring prospects.

Unless it's a jab about him needing to lose weight.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
"We accomplished the mission with zero losses, save for ammunition and some small amount of dignity.

"Granted, the enemy retreated in good order, but we have successfully shot down nearly twenty alien craft, among which number seven previously unknown craft. Our analysis divisions will begin their work as soon as we can get them over there.

"I want to say that again: against a numerically overwhelming force with an unbelievable technological advantage, you not only won, but you won without losses and inflicting nearly three times your number in casualties in return. It is an incredible accomplishment, and you should all be proud.
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It's like things are going too well.
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
Losses
Fat Man's dignity
Fat Man's dating prospects
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LoL
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
Avril Mead: From what Trigger tells me, not a single one is even close.

Trigger nods sagely. He flashes several signs at Avril. Avril raises an eyebrow, and Trigger smirks, shrugging.

Avril Mead, scowling: He's also saying their pilots aren't fit to pilot a paper airplane, which is why it's so easy to shoot them all down.

Trigger starts counting off with his fingers with a shit-eating grin.
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:lol
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
- Organize XCOM (100 Focus) 50/100 Focus
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus) 15/25 Focus
-- Pilots
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Scientists
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Scientists
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Engineers
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Logisticians
- Delegate Tasks (25 Focus)
-- Avril Mead: Assess and Repair assets
--- Lighthouse
- Order more planes (variable IC costs, 50 Focus)
-- 2x CFA-44 Nosferatu
-- 3x Su-33 Flanker-D 20/50 Focus
- Read Briefings (50 Focus)
-- Countries
PULFORD INTERRUPT: Pulford wants status reports. You can't refuse. (25 Focus)
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Wait, that doesn't fit. Counting the starting Focus Long Caster was at plus the 30 we used to get a list of all the dogfight capable planes, we should be at 505 Focus.
 
Icipall said:
It's like things are going too well.

LoL

:lol

Wait, that doesn't fit. Counting the starting Focus Long Caster was at plus the 30 we used to get a list of all the dogfight capable planes, we should be at 505 Focus.
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You assume running the mission didn't cost any Focus. That would be a bad assumption.

Edit: Fat Man's callsign is super ironic because out of the plane he's like a six foot beanpole, but when pressed Mobius One will insist that "he prefers the fat ones".
 
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huhYeahGoodPoint said:
You assume running the mission didn't cost any Focus. That would be a bad assumption.
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Then that is something that should have been mentioned either during the plan making, that going on combat missions costs undetermined amount of extra focus, or during the debriefing after the mission.

[X] Continue As Planned
 
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[X] Continue As Planned
Hannz said:
On the matter of Drones, Huginn and Munnin didn't go full Skynet, things were working just as intended. The Drone Program was made with the intention of defeating Osea by breeding the ultimate warmachines, but Erusea fractured and there was no one overseeing the Drone Program anymore save for the Strategic AI itself.

The AI was just fulfilling its purpose, crushing Osea, and no one had the keys to shut it down.

If we ever get Drones on that level again, we'll need more and constant human oversight, to soothe the problems our pilots and the world as a whole has with Drones.
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Naturally. We nearly had a Men of Iron incident, and I doubt anyone will let us have drone AIs of that level again unless we had a way to control them.

ctulhuslp said:
Also, who knows how good ayys are at hacking.
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Good question, but neither of them were hacked, and IIRC the only example in Ace Combat of a plane being hacked in flight was done by Nemo.

And Nemo is the end goal of my PlanTM ​for Huginn and Munin.
 
Icipall said:
Then that is something that should have been mentioned either during the plan making, that going on combat missions costs undetermined amount of extra focus, or during the debriefing after the mission.
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Yeah, not putting it in this debriefing was my mistake. In any case, the debriefing's been updated: Mission 1 cost you 100 Focus, and so did Mission 2.
 
Will removing the order to buy the Su-33 reduce our Focus Spent by 50? If so, it could be worth it. Brings us down to 515, which is a lot less severe for the future, and it's not like we absolutely need to have those planes right now.
 
Hannz said:
Will removing the order to buy the Su-33 reduce our Focus Spent by 50? If so, it could be worth it. Brings us down to 515, which is a lot less severe for the future, and it's not like we absolutely need to have those planes right now.
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It won't. You'll only claw back like 30 Focus or so because you already committed some amount of effort to buy it and then things get confusing because if you don't invest any effort into also canceling the order people will be calling you to figure out what's going on with the Flanker order and that's going to cost you Focus too.
 
In that case:

[X] Continue As Planned

I didn't expect that buying multiple different aircraft would cost another 50 Focus for each aircraft type. My bad everyone.
 
A few questions in terms of focus cost. How much would it be to:

* Hire a media liaison, to take advantage of the videos now going viral about our defense of Selatapura to boost global public support? There are a few journalists in Strangereal that I suspect would be up to take the job.
* Secure the wreckage from the latest dogfight? (This may be done automatically.)
* Get a briefing on the Leasath Civil War, including the factions involved and the state of its military-industrial complex?
* Have a conversation with Audrey Jones about what Aurelia might want for tech transfer re: meson cannons, and whether Aurelian hawks might be interested in broader cooperation?
* Get a briefing on the Free Erusean Remnants, with specific attention to key EASA personnel -- whether that's by having a conversation with Rosa Cossette d'Elise or from XCOM analysts?
* Organize Take Your Children To Work Day?
* Ask Dr. Shen if he's planning to bring his daughter to Take Your Children To Work Day?

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This is roughly ordered in terms of time sensitivity. IMO, it's very worthwhile to take advantage of Selatapura to boost our public image -- videos of the dogfight are going to be going up on social media; we might as well claim credit and make ourselves too popular to take head-on.

The rest are following up on story hooks in terms of time sensitivity, but it's probably a good idea to get that costed out mechanically.
 
Secretariat said:
A few questions in terms of focus cost. How much would it be to:

* Hire a media liaison, to take advantage of the videos now going viral about our defense of Selatapura to boost global public support? There are a few journalists in Strangereal that I suspect would be up to take the job.
* Secure the wreckage from the latest dogfight? (This may be done automatically.)
* Get a briefing on the Leasath Civil War, including the factions involved and the state of its military-industrial complex?
* Have a conversation with Audrey Jones about what Aurelia might want for tech transfer re: meson cannons, and whether Aurelian hawks might be interested in broader cooperation?
* Get a briefing on the Free Erusean Remnants, with specific attention to key EASA personnel -- whether that's by having a conversation with Rosa Cossette d'Elise or from XCOM analysts?
* Organize Take Your Children To Work Day?
* Ask Dr. Shen if he's planning to bring his daughter to Take Your Children To Work Day?

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This is roughly ordered in terms of time sensitivity. IMO, it's very worthwhile to take advantage of Selatapura to boost our public image -- videos of the dogfight are going to be going up on social media; we might as well claim credit and make ourselves too popular to take head-on.

The rest are following up on story hooks in terms of time sensitivity, but it's probably a good idea to get that costed out mechanically.
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Hiring a media liason would cost you about the same as hiring several, at 25 Focus; putting up the posting and then culling the results pretty much takes about the same amount of effort. That being said, Pulford's working on it, especially after this recent success. (Actually it's why he's pulling an all-nighter as he's trying to block anyone from interrupting your sleep; he's improvising a press release and then also working on getting a press liason at the same event).
Dr. Vahlen, Mr. Snow, and Commander Pulford are working on securing the wreckage while Long Caster's busy sleeping off 57 high-stress hours awake out of the last 60 hours.
Depends on how in depth you want; the thing about the military-industrial complex is pointing it to be more a 50 Focus thing though.
Might take 5, might take 20, depending on how specific you want. Audrey Jones is not technically a diplomatic liason and does not have the ear of the hawks, or at least not yet.
Like with Audrey Jones, might take 5 or might take more from Cossette D'Elise, and hahahaha what XCOM analysts, the ones you haven't hired yet? (Pulford's working on it, but he's been kinda focusing on the whole "get Long Caster's aces their superplanes")
Jaeger could go either way on it, but Dr. Shen is pretty insistent on his daughter not being put near danger.
 
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Icipall said:
@huhYeahGoodPoint
Is that the situation? Does ordering different types of planes cost 50 Focus for each type?
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Usually, yes, because the same company and the same countries typically have seperate production lines for each plane; this goes double if one of your orders is a bleeding-edge superplane and the rest is mass-manufactured fourth generation craft.

Sometimes, if your order is big enough you might need to put in more focus anyway, because one company won't have enough capacity to satisfy your needs alone, but usually that doesn't happen unless you order like four hundred fishbeds because who the fuck does that
 
Guess we'll have to ask in the future what our buy plan is going to cost in Focus before deciding on it.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
unless you order like four hundred fishbeds because who the fuck does that
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Blot.Out.The SUN.With our JETS.

I regret nothing.

[@] Plan: Give me your Dangerous and Dissident
[@] Find and recruit AWACS Band-dog and his jolly crew of prison guards
[@] Ask Osea/Yuktobania for all their imprisoned former pilots
[@] Order 25 F-4E Phantoms
-Equipped with QAAMs

(Mock Serious) Reasoning: The recent engagement has proven that not all alien forces possess Ace tier combatants or overly maneuverable craft. As such, we will field a penal unit where-in disgraced former pilots can earn their wings back and pay their debt to society via combat with alien hordes. Beyond Squadron 444, Osea still has several aces (many of them Belkan) rusting away in their prison system. Give them a chance for redemption or a glorious death in combat (Belkan knightly sensibilities appeal) and it gives us disposable aces and planes that we will not miss much but can still distract/kill the enemy.

(Link to Ace Combat 0 site with a listing on all Aces in prison: Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War/Aces)

Notables (These guys are legit/canon aces):
#100 Jan Voller
#122 Berti Voght (former prisoner, can extradite his ass, the escapee)
#133 Yuri Dashkov (Traitor Yuke pilot)
#147 Griswold Veisor (Belkan)
#153 Joshua Bristow (Wizard 1/aka near-endgame boss) (Osean)
#160 Jay Porter (Wizard 8/ attempted presidential assassin) (Osean)
#163 Rainer Walter (Belkan)

Bunch of these boys were members of "A world without boundaries". They may find it ironic that they get the chance to fight for a world united against an alien foe.
 
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