- Location
- United States
[X] Let them retreat and return to base.
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Ace Combat XCOM: Enemy Skies
- Thread starter hYGP
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Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
- Location
- Cold snow fields of Finland
Not that we have much of a choice, since the best non-super planes we can get are F-22, Su-57 and YF-23.
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Note: that list is just the dogfight capable craft. You can order other planes, but you're not sure about what they cost.
- Location
- Northern Hemisphere
Alternatively, we could settle on getting cheaper aircraft that can carry the experimental weapons. The F-18 and SU-33s get the EMLs while SU-37s get the TLS. Though the depends on how much they cost and how good the pilots using them are.
LucidProp
Pocky Eating MafiaDoka
We were told experimental weapons like EML, PLSL, and TLS are often more expensive than the plane itself, so it'll require quite a bit of saving. It'll depend on whether it'll be cheaper to buy a super plane or go for the experimental weapons on regular plane approach.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[X] Let them retreat and return to base.
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
I actually have to update that list, eyeballing how positively fucking bullshit the ADMMs are: they're basically the unholy combination of QAAMs and SASMs miniaturized so that you can fire twelve at once, and that has got to be absolute monomolecular edge of Strangereal missile technology.
I still gave you 6 ADMMs, but don't expect it to be cheap when you inevitably have to requisition more.
Zoosmell
Blind Idiot Arcana
- Location
- Kansas
TBH that's kinda your fault for basing them off Ace Combat 6's hideously OP ADMMs and not the arguably more balanced Infinity ADMMs.
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
For questions like these, there is no try. Don't ask whether you can plan, whether you can execute long term goals; simply do, and let the rest fall into place.
absofuckinlutely, but unfortunately we are not in the Infinity universe and thus must base them off Ace Combat 6's ADMMs. it's really tragic, but such is the cost.
Zoosmell
Blind Idiot Arcana
- Location
- Kansas
Excellent! Because my long-term goal is pretty simple.
Once we get Huginn and Muninn, have them observe and analyze any pilot we get to S-rank (ideally SS or SSR rank, but those may be a bit too busy) any time we can afford to have them do so. Even on missions, if possible - have them assist where necessary, but until we can make enough Raven platforms to not have to worry (too much) about it, their survival will be just as important as that of our SSR pilots. Maybe more so.
Eventually we might be able to retire most of our pilots entirely and have a fleet of proto-Nemos flying around removing ayy.
Maybe even find out if we can build modified Arsenal Birds to carry whole squadrons of them.
Once we get Huginn and Muninn, have them observe and analyze any pilot we get to S-rank (ideally SS or SSR rank, but those may be a bit too busy) any time we can afford to have them do so. Even on missions, if possible - have them assist where necessary, but until we can make enough Raven platforms to not have to worry (too much) about it, their survival will be just as important as that of our SSR pilots. Maybe more so.
Eventually we might be able to retire most of our pilots entirely and have a fleet of proto-Nemos flying around removing ayy.
Maybe even find out if we can build modified Arsenal Birds to carry whole squadrons of them.
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- Location
- alphen aan den rijn
so apart from my total lack of understanding about military airplanes and the general background setting.
this looks to be at least a fairly interesting setup so far.
so just so i know is this all going to be air war or is there some ground war elements to this too?
ps: really need to setup some kind of pilot recruiting / training thing soon (and a way to get planes for them) because it might just be me but i feel like we are really low of both those things
this looks to be at least a fairly interesting setup so far.
so just so i know is this all going to be air war or is there some ground war elements to this too?
ps: really need to setup some kind of pilot recruiting / training thing soon (and a way to get planes for them) because it might just be me but i feel like we are really low of both those things
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
- Location
- Cold snow fields of Finland
QM's word on that:
And getting pilots and planes is what we can do during the XCOM Base Commander turn.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
[X] Let them retreat and return to base.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
A couple questions:
* In very broad strokes, what's our legal authority? Are we a peacekeeping mission under IUN jurisdiction, or are we effectively an outgrowth of the existing Gunther Bay jurisdiction? Mostly, this is just to figure out what powers we have at present, and what we need to explicitlyusurp arrogate definitely acquire legally
* Are there countries known to have militarized space? Does a version of the Earth-UN Outer Space Treaty exist prohibiting the militarization of space? (I mean, we all know Belka is probably violating that treaty but)
* In very broad strokes, what's our legal authority? Are we a peacekeeping mission under IUN jurisdiction, or are we effectively an outgrowth of the existing Gunther Bay jurisdiction? Mostly, this is just to figure out what powers we have at present, and what we need to explicitly
* Are there countries known to have militarized space? Does a version of the Earth-UN Outer Space Treaty exist prohibiting the militarization of space? (I mean, we all know Belka is probably violating that treaty but)
Based on the QM comments, our actions right now are kinda delineating just how much authority we have. Long Caster's frantic groping for super planes and experts in the fields of science and engineering was going beyond his remit....but he got it all anyway. So we can (and should) keeping pushing for more and more authority until nations stop giving in to our whims and tell us to shove it.
The sky is the limit (except its not, we can go further) and only we can hold ourselves back.
As for the second point, Belka seems to be watched like a hawk, and is impoverished anyway. Grunder Industries, on the other hand, is one of the premiere arms companies in the world and located in Osea (totally not former South Belka) and they do likely have a number of assets in Space.
- Location
- Austria
If we get too greedy Long Caster will likely be asked to resign though. Well, depends on number of powerful friends Caster makes. Gotta be more politically savvy to get what we want.
Mission Two: Hold Fast, Debriefing, January 3rd planning
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
"Good work, pilots."
"We accomplished the mission with zero losses, save for ammunition and some small amount of dignity.
"Granted, the enemy retreated in good order, but we have successfully shot down nearly twenty alien craft, among which number seven previously unknown craft. Our analysis divisions will begin their work as soon as we can get them over there.
"I want to say that again: against a numerically overwhelming force with an unbelievable technological advantage, you not only won, but you won without losses and inflicting nearly three times your number in casualties in return. It is an incredible accomplishment, and you should all be proud.
"There are also lesser congratulations to make. Congratulations, Salamander 1, on your official TAC name of 'Fat Man', and Skoll 4, on your official TAC name of 'Baker'. These are your first steps towards becoming a true ace, so cherish these moments.
"That's all. Dismissed."
Trigger is at 71/50 XP required to progress. Trigger advances. 21/50 XP required to advance.
Mobius is at 40/50 XP required to progress.
Count is at 22/35 XP required to progress.
Huxian is at 13/20 XP required to progress.
Jaeger is at 18/20 XP required to progress.
Fat Man is at 12/10 XP required to progress. Fat Man is now an S-Tier pilot, but just barely. 2/20 XP required to advance.
Baker is at 10/10 XP required to progress. Baker is now an S-Tier pilot, but just barely. 2/20 XP required to advance.
Gains:
17x Alien Fighter Debris
4x Unknown Alien Ship A
3x Unknown Alien Ship B
Losses
Fat Man's dignity
Fat Man's dating prospects
When the radio came in that the strike force had been driven off, the stale, tense air seemed to exhale in unison with the workshop's defenders.
"Well, if it isn't the dumbass again," Avril smirked, shaking her head.
"Who earned that name?" Dr. Shen asked, levering one of the improvised barricades up.
"Trigger, duh. Who else would be dumb enough to volunteer for the rearguard position, and then piss off his mechanic?" Avril chuckled.
"I see," Dr. Shen said, laying on the emphasis.
Avril could only glare at Dr. Shen.
It is the evening of January 3rd, and Long Caster is at 565 Focus. Proceed with the plan? Or are you willing to vote in a new plan for the next four days?
If it's the former, vote [X] Continue As Planned. If you want to vote in a new plan, vote by block.
Plan Bridge to Peace
- Organize XCOM (100 Focus) 50/100 Focus
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus) 15/25 Focus
-- Pilots
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Scientists
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Scientists
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Engineers
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Logisticians
- Delegate Tasks (25 Focus)
-- Avril Mead: Assess and Repair assets
--- Lighthouse
- Order more planes (variable IC costs, 50 Focus)
-- 2x CFA-44 Nosferatu
-- 3x Su-33 Flanker-D 20/50 Focus
- Read Briefings (50 Focus)
-- Countries
PULFORD INTERRUPT: Pulford wants status reports. You can't refuse. (25 Focus)
Mission 1: Contact (100 Focus)
Mission 2: Hold Fast (100 Focus)
Free answers:
Trigger nods sagely. He flashes several signs at Avril. Avril raises an eyebrow, and Trigger smirks, shrugging.
Avril Mead, scowling: He's also saying their pilots aren't fit to pilot a paper airplane, which is why it's so easy to shoot them all down.
Trigger starts counting off with his fingers with a shit-eating grin.
That means that while there isn't anybody giving us permission, there also isn't anybody strictly denying us permission, until we cross a line and countries start complaining. The better results you produce, the more the IUN member nations will be willing to overlook your indiscretions in favor of your results.
Speaking of which, excellent work on the recent mission. Comprehensively preventing an alien attack ten times as large as any prior with no casualties because you acquired Estovakian superfighters was extremely fortuitous.
Countries are known to have space weapons; there exists nothing prohibiting the militarization of space but for the expense of rocket fuel and launch sites.
"We accomplished the mission with zero losses, save for ammunition and some small amount of dignity.
"Granted, the enemy retreated in good order, but we have successfully shot down nearly twenty alien craft, among which number seven previously unknown craft. Our analysis divisions will begin their work as soon as we can get them over there.
"I want to say that again: against a numerically overwhelming force with an unbelievable technological advantage, you not only won, but you won without losses and inflicting nearly three times your number in casualties in return. It is an incredible accomplishment, and you should all be proud.
"There are also lesser congratulations to make. Congratulations, Salamander 1, on your official TAC name of 'Fat Man', and Skoll 4, on your official TAC name of 'Baker'. These are your first steps towards becoming a true ace, so cherish these moments.
"That's all. Dismissed."
Trigger is at 71/50 XP required to progress. Trigger advances. 21/50 XP required to advance.
Mobius is at 40/50 XP required to progress.
Count is at 22/35 XP required to progress.
Huxian is at 13/20 XP required to progress.
Jaeger is at 18/20 XP required to progress.
Fat Man is at 12/10 XP required to progress. Fat Man is now an S-Tier pilot, but just barely. 2/20 XP required to advance.
Baker is at 10/10 XP required to progress. Baker is now an S-Tier pilot, but just barely. 2/20 XP required to advance.
Gains:
17x Alien Fighter Debris
4x Unknown Alien Ship A
3x Unknown Alien Ship B
Losses
Fat Man's dignity
Fat Man's dating prospects
When the radio came in that the strike force had been driven off, the stale, tense air seemed to exhale in unison with the workshop's defenders.
"Well, if it isn't the dumbass again," Avril smirked, shaking her head.
"Who earned that name?" Dr. Shen asked, levering one of the improvised barricades up.
"Trigger, duh. Who else would be dumb enough to volunteer for the rearguard position, and then piss off his mechanic?" Avril chuckled.
"I see," Dr. Shen said, laying on the emphasis.
Avril could only glare at Dr. Shen.
It is the evening of January 3rd, and Long Caster is at 565 Focus. Proceed with the plan? Or are you willing to vote in a new plan for the next four days?
If it's the former, vote [X] Continue As Planned. If you want to vote in a new plan, vote by block.
Plan Bridge to Peace
- Organize XCOM (100 Focus) 50/100 Focus
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus) 15/25 Focus
-- Pilots
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Scientists
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Scientists
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Engineers
- Recruit Staff (25 Focus)
-- Logisticians
- Delegate Tasks (25 Focus)
-- Avril Mead: Assess and Repair assets
--- Lighthouse
- Order more planes (variable IC costs, 50 Focus)
-- 2x CFA-44 Nosferatu
-- 3x Su-33 Flanker-D 20/50 Focus
- Read Briefings (50 Focus)
-- Countries
PULFORD INTERRUPT: Pulford wants status reports. You can't refuse. (25 Focus)
Mission 1: Contact (100 Focus)
Mission 2: Hold Fast (100 Focus)
Free answers:
Avril Mead: From what Trigger tells me, not a single one is even close.
Trigger nods sagely. He flashes several signs at Avril. Avril raises an eyebrow, and Trigger smirks, shrugging.
Avril Mead, scowling: He's also saying their pilots aren't fit to pilot a paper airplane, which is why it's so easy to shoot them all down.
Trigger starts counting off with his fingers with a shit-eating grin.
Pulford: Strictly speaking, we are an international peacekeeping task force, meant to combat alien threats wherever they appear. However, due to the circumstances of our creation, the paperwork's still being processed and debated. Much like the Gunther Bay Emergency Administration in that regard, I suppose.
That means that while there isn't anybody giving us permission, there also isn't anybody strictly denying us permission, until we cross a line and countries start complaining. The better results you produce, the more the IUN member nations will be willing to overlook your indiscretions in favor of your results.
Speaking of which, excellent work on the recent mission. Comprehensively preventing an alien attack ten times as large as any prior with no casualties because you acquired Estovakian superfighters was extremely fortuitous.
Countries are known to have space weapons; there exists nothing prohibiting the militarization of space but for the expense of rocket fuel and launch sites.
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- Location
- United States
[X] Continue As Planned
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Writing something up. May not be a full plan, and may not want to replace what we have, but at least wanted to get it out there, possibly for next month.
[X] Continue As Planned
Nice to see that we have two new S-rank Aces.
...though the fact that they need to be S-rank to qualify for call-signs (aka the 1st tier above X-Com rookie) makes me nervous about getting sub-A rank pilots.
We are going to need to look into that training program to make sure we aren't going to one day have a bunch of C-rank pilots responding to a desperate combat call, because everyone else was occupied/wounded. (Cause Long War XCom)
Edit: Having recently played AC7, I can say that Huxian and Jaeger didn't stand out to me as great pilots, but they did survive the shitstorm that was the last couple months of the Lighthouse war so I can get their S-ranking.
However, it just makes me eager to see the Razgriz when/if we recruit them. Kei Nagase, Marcus Snow and Hans Grimm dealt with a bunch of high-speed, low drag missions and their AI could rack up a decent kill count over the course of a campaign. I'm kinda expecting to see them at SS tier, with Blaze at low SSR. They also would/should be the most effective flight when working together among the AC vets, like a protag Yellow Squadron.
The only issue is that they haven't been flying combat missions in almost a decade, so they may have lost that edge a bit (like Mobius One seems to have. He's good, but his starting XP being lower than Trigger makes me think that time wore away at his knife-edge skills somewhat)
Nice to see that we have two new S-rank Aces.
...though the fact that they need to be S-rank to qualify for call-signs (aka the 1st tier above X-Com rookie) makes me nervous about getting sub-A rank pilots.
We are going to need to look into that training program to make sure we aren't going to one day have a bunch of C-rank pilots responding to a desperate combat call, because everyone else was occupied/wounded. (Cause Long War XCom)
Edit: Having recently played AC7, I can say that Huxian and Jaeger didn't stand out to me as great pilots, but they did survive the shitstorm that was the last couple months of the Lighthouse war so I can get their S-ranking.
However, it just makes me eager to see the Razgriz when/if we recruit them. Kei Nagase, Marcus Snow and Hans Grimm dealt with a bunch of high-speed, low drag missions and their AI could rack up a decent kill count over the course of a campaign. I'm kinda expecting to see them at SS tier, with Blaze at low SSR. They also would/should be the most effective flight when working together among the AC vets, like a protag Yellow Squadron.
The only issue is that they haven't been flying combat missions in almost a decade, so they may have lost that edge a bit (like Mobius One seems to have. He's good, but his starting XP being lower than Trigger makes me think that time wore away at his knife-edge skills somewhat)
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