Dark Ness
Rises Where Silence Dies
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A Villain In A World Of Heroes
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The description sounds like it might be typo'd or something. What's a square wood price? Or a straight price of wood?
Also: need to add the threadmark to the post.
Anyway...
1) How long are the straight pieces of wood? Are they like 2x2 (square), or 2x4 (rectangular)? Same for the flat piece. How big is it in comparison with the size of the seat of a normal chair?
2) He didn't specify how large the chair had to be. We could carve out a set of doll-sized furniture with judicious use of Wind Blade.
3) Likewise, we can clean the rough edges of the flat piece using Wind Blade.
4) We can use the earth moving spell (and possibly the earth summons, if we need extra detail) to create a chair out of stone, ignoring the wood entirely. This is probably the smartest approach, since he's not teaching us to be a carpenter, but to be a mage. Focus on the magic, not the distractions on the floor.
5) Similar to the earth chair, make a chair out of ice. Have to cast our ice spell a whole lot, and use Wind Blade to shape the results. Could even use the wood pieces to provide a 'mold' for the ice.
Possible plans:
[x] Base plan: Earth chair
-[x] Extract and retract stone from the floor using the Earth Moving spell until you can shape it into a chair.
--[x] Move a large block up to sufficient height to reach the top of the chair's full height.
--[x] Segment at about an inch from the edge, and retract the large portion of the block about halfway down (to seat height).
--[x] Segment out chunks for each leg, starting a couple inches below the seat, and then retract the majority of the stone back down.
[x] Base plan: Ice chair
-[x] Use the flat piece of wood as a backstop, and one of the long pieces for one edge (can nail that one in place), and the second long piece to provide a 'U' mold.
-[x] Use the mold, placed vertically on the floor, to allow you to shape four chair legs, using Nova Glaciem to fill each leg in.
--[x] Smooth edges (from the wood mold) should be on the front and sides, with the rough portion towards the back.
--[x] Do not fire the ice directly into the wood. Try to keep the projectile rounded, and aim downwards into the floor, or previously built-up ice.
-[x] Then use the flat piece a bit below the tops of the four 'legs' to create a flat surface to hold the ice as you shape the seat.
-[x] Create extra support arcs in a cross below the seat (connecting opposite legs) to give it strength to support weight.
-[x] Use the long pieces as support bars for the back (vertically), sealing them in ice against the rear legs.
-[x] Finish the back between the bars.
-[x] Clean off the rough edges of the flat piece of wood using Wind Blade.
-[x] Use the flat piece as an extra layer on the seat, sealing the edges against the ice.
[x] Base plan: Barbie chair
-[x] Slice off segments of the long pieces of wood, and use Wind blade to carve a miniature chair or two.
Since I don't know how well she can do any of these, I'll just set up a vote that lets her try each. Skipping the barbie, as I'd only want to do that if both of the others succeeded and we had time to kill, but if the ice chair succeeds, there won't be any spare wood to carve.
[x] Plan: Earth chair
-[x] Attempt this on one side of the room, so that if it doesn't work, it doesn't interfere with the larger work area.
[x] Plan: Ice chair
-[x] If the earth chair failed (or succeeded, and we have more time to kill), go with the ice sculpting.
Anyway...
1) How long are the straight pieces of wood? Are they like 2x2 (square), or 2x4 (rectangular)? Same for the flat piece. How big is it in comparison with the size of the seat of a normal chair?
2) He didn't specify how large the chair had to be. We could carve out a set of doll-sized furniture with judicious use of Wind Blade.
3) Likewise, we can clean the rough edges of the flat piece using Wind Blade.
4) We can use the earth moving spell (and possibly the earth summons, if we need extra detail) to create a chair out of stone, ignoring the wood entirely. This is probably the smartest approach, since he's not teaching us to be a carpenter, but to be a mage. Focus on the magic, not the distractions on the floor.
5) Similar to the earth chair, make a chair out of ice. Have to cast our ice spell a whole lot, and use Wind Blade to shape the results. Could even use the wood pieces to provide a 'mold' for the ice.
Possible plans:
[x] Base plan: Earth chair
-[x] Extract and retract stone from the floor using the Earth Moving spell until you can shape it into a chair.
--[x] Move a large block up to sufficient height to reach the top of the chair's full height.
--[x] Segment at about an inch from the edge, and retract the large portion of the block about halfway down (to seat height).
--[x] Segment out chunks for each leg, starting a couple inches below the seat, and then retract the majority of the stone back down.
[x] Base plan: Ice chair
-[x] Use the flat piece of wood as a backstop, and one of the long pieces for one edge (can nail that one in place), and the second long piece to provide a 'U' mold.
-[x] Use the mold, placed vertically on the floor, to allow you to shape four chair legs, using Nova Glaciem to fill each leg in.
--[x] Smooth edges (from the wood mold) should be on the front and sides, with the rough portion towards the back.
--[x] Do not fire the ice directly into the wood. Try to keep the projectile rounded, and aim downwards into the floor, or previously built-up ice.
-[x] Then use the flat piece a bit below the tops of the four 'legs' to create a flat surface to hold the ice as you shape the seat.
-[x] Create extra support arcs in a cross below the seat (connecting opposite legs) to give it strength to support weight.
-[x] Use the long pieces as support bars for the back (vertically), sealing them in ice against the rear legs.
-[x] Finish the back between the bars.
-[x] Clean off the rough edges of the flat piece of wood using Wind Blade.
-[x] Use the flat piece as an extra layer on the seat, sealing the edges against the ice.
[x] Base plan: Barbie chair
-[x] Slice off segments of the long pieces of wood, and use Wind blade to carve a miniature chair or two.
Since I don't know how well she can do any of these, I'll just set up a vote that lets her try each. Skipping the barbie, as I'd only want to do that if both of the others succeeded and we had time to kill, but if the ice chair succeeds, there won't be any spare wood to carve.
[x] Plan: Earth chair
-[x] Attempt this on one side of the room, so that if it doesn't work, it doesn't interfere with the larger work area.
[x] Plan: Ice chair
-[x] If the earth chair failed (or succeeded, and we have more time to kill), go with the ice sculpting.
Dark Ness
Rises Where Silence Dies
- Location
- The Primordial Soup
2x4, same size as a normal chair leg
The flat piece is the same size as a normal seat, but cut in half.
Arkatekt
Harbinger of Shitluck
Wouldn't it be easier to pull the stone from the wall, rather than the floor?
I also don't see much reason in doing the Ice chair if the Earth chair succeeds. It seems like we would just be doing it to show off.
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Hm. Is it still a chair if it doesn't have legs? We could easily just pull a block of stone out and use it as a seat, without using a bunch of time on shaping the legs and back.
Dunno. I wouldn't think so, since the support is intrinsic in anything you pull from the floor; not so much when pulled from the wall. I could see possible arguments for the wall version, though.
In that case, I'm thinking about the overall outcome of the test. If the earth chair is easy enough that we can do it quickly, then it's not much of a test. It's most reasonable to assume that this test is designed to test two things:
1) Do you recognize the skills that you have that can do the job (and that you came here to get taught), or will you be blinded by the 'obvious' suggestion, causing you to muddle around in fruitless labor?
2) How much actual skill do you have with your supposed talents? This is a guy who heavily belabors learning the basics. That's not the sort that will appreciate the cheap and easy win. Rather, show him that we're able and willing to push our competency with all of our available skills.
Now, if the earth chair takes time and effort, obviously we won't be getting to the ice version. Honestly, I'm not expecting it to be easy for us, given how the cleaning attempts went earlier. The ice version is mostly a backup for if we can't manipulate the stone at all, such as if the room is warded like the rest of the house, or we just can't shape it like that at our current skill level.
The ice version takes more physical crafting skill, whereas the earth version would be pure magic skill. Of course we have experience in crafting, even if it's leather, so I expect the ice version to be completely doable.
Nope. Then it's a stool, or maybe a bench. I actually expect to be docked points for both of my proposals, because neither one can be moved, which rather limits their usefulness as chairs. However there's no way we won't be docked points for something, so I'm not worried about it. Just make the best version we can.
Refusing to put in the effort to try to reach the best example of a chair we can, however, is the type of thing I'd expect to be failed for.
Or we could go out and BUY more nails and a hammer and take wood from a tree or something along these lines, when i read the plan ice chair i did have a feeling of dejavu and it was not nice, so i am proposing this seeing that he didn't say "Use this nail, these woods and you magic! you are to stay here to the duration of the test!" Of course, if the GM says nothing about this. REMEMBER OUR FATHER!!!! He was an artisan(Of leather of course, but that are just little details.)
Problem is, we're not here to prove we know how to spend money and hammer nails. We're here to prove we're worth taking on as a magic apprentice. Which means, using magic.
nope, to be a worth aprendice one has first to think in his own two feets, second one need to be able to obey and HEAR what is sayd to them, and we dont know that much magic, he only sayd "first make me a chair" so we need to make a chair. This is my point here. 
EDIT: There is too the fact that magic dont solve all your problems and he can be searching for someone that know or can learn this, his focus is the BASE magic right?
EDIT: There is too the fact that magic dont solve all your problems and he can be searching for someone that know or can learn this, his focus is the BASE magic right?
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Arkatekt
Harbinger of Shitluck
In addition to what kinematics said, we were led underground through maze like halls behind a magic door to get here. We aren't likely to find our way out and back through the warded gate without him.
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Damn! I forgot this!
Slith10
Back from the dead and ready to party!
- Location
- New Zealand
... On that note, we could potentially knock at the door and ask him (for more materials to build the chair/etc) to see if that might be part of the test if it is like that. (Asking for help if you need it?)
The test could test any possible number of things, what with being so vague.
We should look around the room to see what else is there before doing anything.
While I agree that for any arbitrary individual giving us this test, that that could be the case, given what we know of him I can't really see him taking that kind of tack. He's a harsh taskmaster that demands students learn how to master the basics of magic, to the point where you wouldn't realize that they were just using basic magic if you saw what they could do (assuming they graduated). As such, I expect him to test dedication, effort, and willingness to be forced to constantly use the most basic of magics in the most convoluted ways.
On the other hand, I don't expect him to test a willingness to ask for help. You already asked for help by asking to become his apprentice, knowing his teaching style. That's not in question.
This, I will grant. However I also don't expect him to get tricky with the very first test. The first test of this type is always designed to weed out those who aren't fit to be here in the first place. A second or third test would be to see if you have what it takes to be truly worth his time.
Not a bad idea. Just because that's all we see that's visible doesn't mean that that's all there is. Maybe drawers in the walls, or a hidden closet, or an invisible pile of wood in the corner.
Heck, there could be a chair in one of the corners already, just invisible.
In other words, don't just use our eyes, use all our senses — especially magic senses.
Modifying:
[x] Examine the room thoroughly, primarily with magical senses. Check for hidden doors, drawers, plates, or otherwise invisible material. Adjust plans based on anything found.
[x] Barring anything unusual, attempt to make a chair using earth magic (per earlier plan).
-[x] Attempt this on one side of the room, so that if it doesn't work, it doesn't interfere with the larger work area.
[x] If making the chair using earth magic is infeasible for some reason, switch to crafting a chair out of ice (per earlier plan).
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Last update isn't threadmarked yet.
Also, we're talking about elder mages taking in apprentices. Y'know, people who have very little magical knowledge?
Don't you think the answer for this is likely not necessarily have to involve magic?
Magic Sense any existing chair seems valid.
Though....
Also, How do you get a half a square?
Also, we're talking about elder mages taking in apprentices. Y'know, people who have very little magical knowledge?
Don't you think the answer for this is likely not necessarily have to involve magic?
Magic Sense any existing chair seems valid.
Though....
Maybe we can use this as a saw and fit the cut legs to the edges?
Also, How do you get a half a square?
Slith10
Back from the dead and ready to party!
- Location
- New Zealand
Fust get squore, brek in haf, is naow don haf squore.Also, How do you get a half a square?
BBBence1111
Harbinger of Bad Luck
- Location
- Magyarország
[x] Examine the room thoroughly, primarily with magical senses. Check for hidden doors, drawers, plates, or otherwise invisible material. Adjust plans based on anything found.
[x] Barring anything unusual, attempt to make a chair using earth magic (per earlier plan).
-[x] Attempt this on one side of the room, so that if it doesn't work, it doesn't interfere with the larger work area.
[x] If making the chair using earth magic is infeasible for some reason, switch to crafting a chair out of ice (per earlier plan).
Well, he did say that we have to MAKE one, bit it couldn't hurt to look. Other than that, this is our best bet. Should we speed ourselves up to double our rolls?
[x] Barring anything unusual, attempt to make a chair using earth magic (per earlier plan).
-[x] Attempt this on one side of the room, so that if it doesn't work, it doesn't interfere with the larger work area.
[x] If making the chair using earth magic is infeasible for some reason, switch to crafting a chair out of ice (per earlier plan).
Well, he did say that we have to MAKE one, bit it couldn't hurt to look. Other than that, this is our best bet. Should we speed ourselves up to double our rolls?
Dark Ness
Rises Where Silence Dies
- Location
- The Primordial Soup
There is nothing else.
Also, you don't exactly have magic senses. At best, you have that feeling that most mages and some non-mages get in the presence of magic, and I would have mentioned if you felt anything in the update.
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OK, then going back to the original.
[x] Plan: Earth chair
-[x] Attempt this on one side of the room, so that if it doesn't work, it doesn't interfere with the larger work area.
[x] Plan: Ice chair
-[x] If the earth chair failed (or succeeded, and we have more time to kill), go with the ice sculpting.
BBBence1111
Harbinger of Bad Luck
- Location
- Magyarország
[x] Plan: Earth chair
-[x] Attempt this on one side of the room, so that if it doesn't work, it doesn't interfere with the larger work area.
[x] Plan: Ice chair
-[x] If the earth chair failed (or succeeded, and we have more time to kill), go with the ice sculpting.
Calling it: We'll do everything perfectly until he asks us to clean a room using magic.
-[x] Attempt this on one side of the room, so that if it doesn't work, it doesn't interfere with the larger work area.
[x] Plan: Ice chair
-[x] If the earth chair failed (or succeeded, and we have more time to kill), go with the ice sculpting.
Calling it: We'll do everything perfectly until he asks us to clean a room using magic.
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
It would be better if we know what level of apprentice do the mages expect to tutor. @Dark Ness
Though Mannkev wants the fundamental and basics... so the guesses that he wants to see if we can use the spells we have for mundane purposes might be right.
Also, @Dark Ness last update is not threadmarked still.
Though Mannkev wants the fundamental and basics... so the guesses that he wants to see if we can use the spells we have for mundane purposes might be right.
Also, @Dark Ness last update is not threadmarked still.