[X]The Imperium is at fault
Imperium Bad. No other choice.
Imperium Bad. No other choice.
A Stranger in a War-Torn Galaxy: A Supreme Commander/WH40k Quest
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[X] The Imperium is at fault
We already hate this decrepit corpse of a civilization. So having more points on our presentation about why we should import several hundred ACUs to conquer them. Especially since this doesn't place more stress on us or our ally directly as much.
We already hate this decrepit corpse of a civilization. So having more points on our presentation about why we should import several hundred ACUs to conquer them. Especially since this doesn't place more stress on us or our ally directly as much.
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[X]She is at fault
I will represent what will probably be a minority opinion. While there is plenty of fault to go around I think Eliza is most at fault here.
Is the Imperium at fault for letting things get like this? Sure. But that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about why we were blindsided with this knowledge at the last minute.
Are we at fault for not asking for the in-depth report or asking more questions? Yes. But this didn't need an in-depth report. A quick heads up while we were driving to the location would have done.
Ultimately the problem here is one of culture clash. Eliza never mentioned the condition of the civilians because she didn't think it was important, and thought the term "Feudal world" was self-explanatory when it really wasn't. Revy never asked because she never imagined things could get that bad.
Both sides are at fault, but ultimately it is Eliza's job to make sure culture clashes don't happen. She should know enough about Revy by now to know a Feudal world would set her off. Revy can't ask questions about things she has no context for, It was Eliza's job to provide that context but she failed.
I will represent what will probably be a minority opinion. While there is plenty of fault to go around I think Eliza is most at fault here.
Is the Imperium at fault for letting things get like this? Sure. But that's not what we are talking about. We are talking about why we were blindsided with this knowledge at the last minute.
Are we at fault for not asking for the in-depth report or asking more questions? Yes. But this didn't need an in-depth report. A quick heads up while we were driving to the location would have done.
Ultimately the problem here is one of culture clash. Eliza never mentioned the condition of the civilians because she didn't think it was important, and thought the term "Feudal world" was self-explanatory when it really wasn't. Revy never asked because she never imagined things could get that bad.
Both sides are at fault, but ultimately it is Eliza's job to make sure culture clashes don't happen. She should know enough about Revy by now to know a Feudal world would set her off. Revy can't ask questions about things she has no context for, It was Eliza's job to provide that context but she failed.
[x]You are at fault
Makes the most sense imo. We were offered a chance to get a briefing and we chose not to do it. And while the Imperium is the overall cause of the problem, it's not the immediate reason for it. We can't change the Imperium on this so we can at least go in forewarned on their weirdness
Makes the most sense imo. We were offered a chance to get a briefing and we chose not to do it. And while the Imperium is the overall cause of the problem, it's not the immediate reason for it. We can't change the Imperium on this so we can at least go in forewarned on their weirdness
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[x]You are at fault
Had a chance to learn and process sooner, and then when it did happen we blew up rather than doing anything useful or productive
Had a chance to learn and process sooner, and then when it did happen we blew up rather than doing anything useful or productive
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Revy is in the middle of confronting her own aging, her failures on the battlefield to defeat an enemy, her failures to diplomacy well, and we wanna throw more weight on her psyche rn XD? Instead of just throwing it into the void and focusing on recovery like we will need to do for several turns more then likely?
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Only under great pressure can coal turn into diamonds.
How else are we to catalyse her change towards the better.
How else are we to catalyse her change towards the better.
VicSage
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[X]You are at fault
I'd take an All Of The Above And More if I could. It's her fault for not insisting, it is our fault for ignoring and not sitting down to understand what the differences in tech base truly means, it is the Imperium's fault for being awful, but it is the Galaxy's fault for making it the only way to survive.
I'd take an All Of The Above And More if I could. It's her fault for not insisting, it is our fault for ignoring and not sitting down to understand what the differences in tech base truly means, it is the Imperium's fault for being awful, but it is the Galaxy's fault for making it the only way to survive.
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Was with you all the way until here but I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it.
Freudianslip
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Deliberately leaving viable planets in a state of unproductive primitivism is exactly the sort of thing that makes survival more difficult. It's a symptom of the imperium's ossification and worship of the status quo that makes the Galaxy's sole superpower practically helpless to respond to the freight train of crises headed its way.
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I prefer "The Emperor left the nascant Imperium in a state at the moment of his entombment upon the golden throne in a state that, while not the only possible path, made the current one the most likely. Unfinished and incomplete, the project of the Imperium is the great tragedy of 40k, the fallacy of the Emperor's belief in the great man theory of history."
The Imperium's cruelty being nessesary for mankind's survivial is a take I find cringe. The Imperium's cruelty is nessesary for the surivial of the Imperial machine (and then maybe by proxy humanity?) and its many constituent parts. Its a very academic distinction but an important one, I think. As in, change for the better right now would have to be done by someone either extremely powerful or very carefully, or the machine breaks and succumbs to the myriad of outside threats knocking at the door, but that does not mean that other forms of government would not theoretically be viable for a galactic human civilisation facing the kind of threats the Imperium does.
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The Imperium's cruelty being nessesary for mankind's survivial is a take I find cringe. The Imperium's cruelty is nessesary for the surivial of the Imperial machine (and then maybe by proxy humanity?) and its many constituent parts. Its a very academic distinction but an important one, I think. As in, change for the better right now would have to be done by someone either extremely powerful or very carefully, or the machine breaks and succumbs to the myriad of outside threats knocking at the door, but that does not mean that other forms of government would not theoretically be viable for a galactic human civilisation facing the kind of threats the Imperium does.
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Ohhh you.
[X]You are at fault
I am very inclined to vote Imperium at fault, but ultimately that's not really what the discussion is about. The failure to take the briefing option is something that even Rebecca's own superior officers would probably have tanned her ass for. It really was severe negligence.
I wonder, is Sena just telling them this because it's useful as a rumor even if it does spread? Or is this the conclusion that she's tentatively reached? That Luna is some kind of contingency only kept on a leash by Rebecca?
Does she suspect Eliza is ignorant of Luna, or that she's in on it?
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Yeah, that's one of the more reasonable ways to look at things. He had a plan for something not nearly so inhumane and self destructive, but he was the lynch pin holding it all together until the bureaucracy was more complete. The wheels on the bus fell off too early for the system to be properly resilient and autonomous, as often happens to highly centralized systems.
So now any hypothetical Imperial reformer is stuck in a consequentialist ethical nightmare wherein rocking the boat will probably kill billions of people relatively immediately through the disruption, for the chance at saving more down the line, by improving things.
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Presumably those treaties are why we can't mass produce Refractor Fields.
We should enquire as to whether Clad would be willing to trade the right to produce some higher end non-relics in exchange for more time with the marvellous copy-machine.
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in layman terms,there is a difference between
>the imperium has trouble reforming itself,making merely surviving the most feasible course untill a major change force develops or happens
vs
>the imperium is the only conceivable/thinkable and most positive form of government no matter what choices are done or path are taken
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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[x]You are at fault
Undead-Spaceman
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[X] You are at fault
I think the issue boiled down to Shepard not properly clarifying what kind of information she would need. Granted no one could reasonably be expected to guess Tet was literally Medieval Times the Planet but Eliza comes from a radically different belief system and attached cultural norms. While unfortunate, this is just a natural consequence of the teething process.
I think the issue boiled down to Shepard not properly clarifying what kind of information she would need. Granted no one could reasonably be expected to guess Tet was literally Medieval Times the Planet but Eliza comes from a radically different belief system and attached cultural norms. While unfortunate, this is just a natural consequence of the teething process.
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Now, what will our dear General's reaction be to feral worlds.