Whatever happened, it was traumatic enough that both Cocona and Croix spent a long time ignoring the fact that Cocona was an incredibly obvious Reyvateil, what with throwing around fireballs in battle, and considering how third-generations work that can't have done anything good for her lifespan.
Which means she probably doesn't live long past the ending of the 3rd game since the normal lifespan is... low-twenties I think. Unless Mir went mama bear and kicked that issue to the curb.

I wouldn't put it past Mir to bully/gather everyone she needed into figuring out a way to artificially create the... three-sided DNA loop thing that I can't remember the name of that 3rd gens lack within a couple of years. A few centuries without anything to do other than sneak around the systems of the first tower, she probably knows the place better than Eoria does, as well as any research data or anything else in it. Especially the stuff that Eoria can't even look at do to programming.
 
Which means she probably doesn't live long past the ending of the 3rd game since the normal lifespan is... low-twenties I think. Unless Mir went mama bear and kicked that issue to the curb.

I wouldn't put it past Mir to bully/gather everyone she needed into figuring out a way to artificially create the... three-sided DNA loop thing that I can't remember the name of that 3rd gens lack within a couple of years. A few centuries without anything to do other than sneak around the systems of the first tower, she probably knows the place better than Eoria does, as well as any research data or anything else in it. Especially the stuff that Eoria can't even look at do to programming.
Cocona is...

Okay, this is spoiler territory, and not entirely certain, but:
- Her song magic is powerful. Too powerful; she has high-level access to Infel Phira, which was designed to lack some of the safeties of normal song servers. This is shown with GRANZERO=SPEAR, as well as the way she casually throws around fireballs without really thinking about it. It's Mir-level, but Mir was designed to handle that; as a Neo-Beta who was designed without expecting the song servers to act as backups, Mir's expected lifespan in her current body is most likely indefinite.
- She collapsed after singing METHOD_HYMMELI. That song was explicitly called out as involving enough energy to fry the Reyvateil singing it, no matter who, with Cocona only escaping because they redirected the output to a satellite. (Which did, indeed, fry.)
- Ditto, GRANZERO=SPEAR, where she OHKO'd a large group of Antibodies. That's just... too much power; Tyria couldn't have done that. And she was scared of using it, only doing so when the alternative was definite death. That is to say, she outperformed the entire rest of the (rather destructive) party, combined.
- Perhaps more telling, Mir gets a little bit obsessed with fixing the lifespan limit (and mortality in general) after AT3. Considering that the canonical ending (probably.. unless that'd be a mixture) of AT2 more or less has her adopting Cocona, I can think of a couple of reasons why she might turn around like that. And sure, one of them is that she realised that she's mortal, but since she probably isn't...

My headcanon is that Cocona didn't survive very long post-AT3. The jury is out on whether Mir recovered her mind, stopping Infel Phira from deleting her, or whether she's permanently dead and Mir is just trying to prevent future tragedies.
 
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Do you mean NTL/acumulated wave(the one 3rd gen problem)? Don't know whether human will be able to have it though..well both ar tonelico (lot's of song science around) and harvestasha (lot's of questionable experiment around) the lack of NTL/too much wave in human (where there shouldn't be any) reyvateil body.But such research will take years at best

For cocona, (i don'y know how to spoiler,don't sue me)(probably not accurate)
-Cocona's power basicly combined power of who know much reyvateil synced
-Strained young human body
-Problem with 3rd gen in general

Combined all three? well..
 
Cocona is...

Okay, this is spoiler territory, and not entirely certain, but:
- Her song magic is powerful. Too powerful; she has high-level access to Infel Phira, which was designed to lack some of the safeties of normal song servers. This is shown with GRANZERO=SPEAR, as well as the way she casually throws around fireballs without really thinking about it. It's Mir-level, but Mir was designed to handle that; as a Neo-Beta who was designed without expecting the song servers to act as backups, Mir's expected lifespan in her current body is most likely indefinite.
- She collapsed after singing METHOD_HYMMELI. That song was explicitly called out as involving enough energy to fry the Reyvateil singing it, no matter who, with Cocona only escaping because they redirected the output to a satellite. (Which did, indeed, fry.)
- Ditto, GRANZERO=SPEAR, where she OHKO'd a large group of Antibodies. That's just... too much power; Tyria couldn't have done that. And she was scared of using it, only doing so when the alternative was definite death. That is to say, she outperformed the entire rest of the (rather destructive) party, combined.
- Perhaps more telling, Mir gets a little bit obsessed with fixing the lifespan limit (and mortality in general) after AT3. Considering that the canonical ending (probably.. unless that'd be a mixture) of AT2 more or less has her adopting Cocona, I can think of a couple of reasons why she might turn around like that. And sure, one of them is that she realised that she's mortal, but since she probably isn't...

My headcanon is that Cocona didn't survive very long post-AT3. The jury is out on whether Mir recovered her mind, stopping Infel Phira from deleting her, or whether she's permanently dead and Mir is just trying to prevent future tragedies.
Didn't know that the Mir thing was canon, just me guessing what her priorities would be based on her personality and goals. And I wouldn't put it past Mir to have grabbed her mind out, she be bullshit yo. Especially in cyberspace.
For cocona, (i don'y know how to spoiler,don't sue me)(probably not accurate)
-Cocona's power basicly combined power of who know much reyvateil synced
-Strained young human body
-Problem with 3rd gen in general

Combined all three? well..
Kind of what I was saying, not sure if she would have had months or a couple of years though. And Mir can be... terrifyingly effective at whatever she sets her mind to. Pros of being a few centuries old with nothing to do but spy on things, hack all the data in the first tower, and learn for most of that time.

Also to spoiler write [ spoiler ] without any spaces and [ / spoiler] to end the spoiler, again without any spaces.
 
A third-gen who was never once shown to use a Diquility crystal. Hopefully she had one or two installed during AT2 or afterwards (...when? It sounds like something they'd mention, even if Mir did it offscreen), but it didn't happen earlier because Croix was in denial, and it couldn't have happened for a large part of the AT3 plot (and before said plot started) because Cocona was pretending to be a boy. You can't install one in yourself. I think.

IIRC, the average third-gen lifespan without Diquility is about eighteen years. That's for the ones who, presumably, don't keep using song magic despite the deterioration it causes. Cocona was fourteen in AT3, and has used quite a lot of it, some rather excessive.
 
A third-gen who was never once shown to use a Diquility crystal. Hopefully she had one or two installed during AT2 or afterwards (...when? It sounds like something they'd mention, even if Mir did it offscreen), but it didn't happen earlier because Croix was in denial, and it couldn't have happened for a large part of the AT3 plot (and before said plot started) because Cocona was pretending to be a boy. You can't install one in yourself. I think.

IIRC, the average third-gen lifespan without Diquility is about eighteen years. That's for the ones who, presumably, don't keep using song magic despite the deterioration it causes. Cocona was fourteen in AT3, and has used quite a lot of it, some rather excessive.
Get the Cocona ending in AT3 => she drops dead on the way back.
 
Get the Cocona ending in AT3 => she drops dead on the way back.
Poor guy, all his potential love interests are dead girls walking.

At least with Cocona, no matter where her body is, her mind is still hosted back on Infel Phira where Mir can keep an eye on her. And possibly talk to her. I don't remember that happening, but I do recall her pulling a few pretty random rabbits out of her hat and she was almost never the viewpoint character, so...
 
Which means she probably doesn't live long past the ending of the 3rd game since the normal lifespan is... low-twenties I think. Unless Mir went mama bear and kicked that issue to the curb.

I wouldn't put it past Mir to bully/gather everyone she needed into figuring out a way to artificially create the... three-sided DNA loop thing that I can't remember the name of that 3rd gens lack within a couple of years. A few centuries without anything to do other than sneak around the systems of the first tower, she probably knows the place better than Eoria does, as well as any research data or anything else in it. Especially the stuff that Eoria can't even look at do to programming.
The lifespan of 3rd gens is around 20 without treatment and can extend to 40 with it. Odds are she has access to the treatment as it is fairly available on her home tower. The two (non Mir) love interests in AT2 would be pretty close to dying of natural causes if they weren't both getting treatment and one of them is fairly poor so if it wasn't readily available she would be a dead girl walking and it would have come up.
 
*cough*backtoMetroidspleaseandontopic*cough*
To be fair, this isn't completely off topic at least. But yes I see where you're coming from. I just have one last post I need to answer, or point to an answer rather.
The lifespan of 3rd gens is around 20 without treatment and can extend to 40 with it. Odds are she has access to the treatment as it is fairly available on her home tower. The two (non Mir) love interests in AT2 would be pretty close to dying of natural causes if they weren't both getting treatment and one of them is fairly poor so if it wasn't readily available she would be a dead girl walking and it would have come up.
They're called Disquility Crystals. See:
A third-gen who was never once shown to use a Diquility crystal. Hopefully she had one or two installed during AT2 or afterwards (...when? It sounds like something they'd mention, even if Mir did it offscreen), but it didn't happen earlier because Croix was in denial, and it couldn't have happened for a large part of the AT3 plot (and before said plot started) because Cocona was pretending to be a boy. You can't install one in yourself. I think.

IIRC, the average third-gen lifespan without Diquility is about eighteen years. That's for the ones who, presumably, don't keep using song magic despite the deterioration it causes. Cocona was fourteen in AT3, and has used quite a lot of it, some rather excessive.
 
By the way, just for reference,how strong the metroid (and other creatures/technology) from metroid?
If memory serves much of a metroid's resilience comes from energy shenanigans. One of the metroid trophies from the SSB games says this; "A parasitic life form that can absorb all types of energy. Metroids have a strong resistance to most conventional weaponry. To defeat them, Samus Aran had to freeze them with Ice Beam shots and then blast them with Missiles. Mochtroids, which look like Metroids, are weaker, with fewer internal nuclei."

I also found the stages of growth for the metroid.
 
Omega metroids are about 18-20ft tall too and have claws that can cut through armored doors three feet thick. Oh and they can fly.
 
Part 7
Part 7

The story will continue in first-person present-tense for a while. I'm more comfortable writing that way. I may switch tense and perspective when I feel it's called for.



This would probably be so much easier if I could just project corrosion effects whenever I want. I wouldn't even need a Hymmnos Word for almost anything. But no, that function of my mental model is also restricted behind "rules of engagement". If these functions are all locked specifically to make me learn Hymmnos Words, I'm going to sing a song that drives my creator insane when I find them. That should show them all I've learned.

If I have a Cosmosphere, it's probably full of some very disturbing things by now... I really hope I don't have a Cosmosphere.

But that's not important right now, because I'm huntin' me some space leeches. It's currently... 40 minutes after what I measure as nightfall, and there's no sign of them. They usually come out within a few minutes of stardown. The nights are so short they really don't have much time to waste before they start hunting.

I sit, and wait... and wait... and wait...

The sun rises. The metroids never come out. This isn't right. They've come out at precisely the same time every night without fail. There's still plenty of prey out here for them to choose from, so they definitely aren't waiting for game to repopulate the area.

What the actual... wait. The larva have been getting bigger every time I've seen them come out. Now they're nearly as big as the giant baby from Super Metroid.

And now suddenly they've stopped coming out to hunt.

I am so stupid.



I don't know how I didn't see this coming.

I've found them, all bunched up inside an underground chamber rather close to where I first ran into them weeks ago. All the laser bugs are gone, nothing but dried up husks and bits of exoskeleton laying about. The larva are going through metamorphosis. Clearly the point when they are most vulnerable, the chamber is being watched by the Omega laying on the floor nearby. And yeah, it's the same Omega I've been faced with since the beginning. There haven't been any others this whole time.

I wonder why I haven't seen any of the intermediate stages between Larva and Omega yet... I have no idea where the Queen for this colony is either, but I can find out later.

Okay, this isn't all bad. Sure I can't pick them off out in the open like I could if they'd come to the surface, but if I do this quick enough then it's just the Omega I have to fight before killing the maturing larva in their cocoons. Question is, how to go about it? Once I start singing the Omega is going to know where I am. I won't be able to form spur of the moment ploys because all of my emotions will be put into the song. It's going to take 25 seconds to charge it... that's 25 seconds I have to not be killed by a giant armored magic space leech.

Wait... I think I know what to do. Unless I have severely misjudged the way animals in general behave, this should work.

Still in my stealth form, I carefully float myself into the cluster of cocooned larva and wedge myself between several of them. I'm very small and thin, so it's easy for me to slide right in. Fortunately the larva don't seem to have any sense of touch for the surface of their cocoons, and they don't react... I probably should have thought of that before I did this. Whatever, I'm in too deep to turn back now.

Okay, breath. Technically I do need to breath now, since I have to sing... it's a weird feeling, needing to breath in some form. It makes me feel more human than I have in years. The fear does that too...

I need to beat that fear.

My Klein Field lashes out, striking the ceiling above the Omega and causing rocks to fall on it. The beast roars and claws at its head, momentarily confused by the sudden minor cave-in. I take the distraction to shift into my full combat form, abandoning all concern for stealth, and immediately get singing.

This Hymmnos Word is bizarrely calming and ethereal, using chimes and winds with a piano to evoke the sense of being out in the snow and ice under a moonlit sky. The words, however, don't match up with the sound. There is a deliberate dissonance between the intent and the sound. The song's purpose is to bring me peace from what afflicts me by thrusting my hate and fear at my enemy.

"Rrha ki ga drone guatrz en chsee viega/."
(With extreme concentration, I absorb my hate into a blade.)


With great anger, I demand the end of my torment.

The Omega rears up and locks its eyes onto me, as it did before. I absorb myself in the song, ignoring the memories of how I felt helpless when it first appeared.

Though fear fills me, I am not blinded by terror. Though hate consumes me, I will not succumb to rage. The clarity of ice will quiet my thoughts and focus my will.

The metroid leaps at me, pulls back its claws, and hesitates. It can't fit its big meaty talons into the gap I've crawled into, and it won't risk injuring the larva. This is exactly what I was hoping for.

I am resolved to endure ten-thousand torments to halt my suffering. I will trudge through endless desolation to deliver myself from this misery.

The Omega decides to fix its problem by grabbing cocooned larva and rolling them out of the way. It moves frighteningly quickly, clearly judging that the risk of injuring the larva is preferable to me killing them if it doesn't stop me. My hiding spot quickly becomes too dangerous as judged by my other thought threads and I jump out. The huge predator's swing scrapes my barrier, sending me spinning through the air as I try to bleed off the momentum it transferred to my Wave Armor. I don't stop singing as I flip upside-down and stand on the ceiling. My combat program has judged that a direct hit won't breach my Klein Field, and I stand firm as it flies up at me.

The powerful claws smash into the field, hitting with more power than the Photon Cannons of a destroyer. Saturation rises by 10%. 20%. 30%. It keeps going up. This is... this is ridiculous! It's hitting me with more force than the speed and mass of its arms should impart, as if it's creating energy from nowhere when it hits! That strange radiation from the superbugs... it's also producing it, and with a much greater output. It's swinging so fast it will breach my field in only a couple more seconds.

The chill of winter will consume my fears and hesitations, and release them from my soul.

But I've finished my song.

I've had enough of being afraid.

EXEC_HYMME_COLGA=QUESA

The lance of blue energy thrusts down with a blinding flash. The Omega barely has enough time to shriek before it's impaled on a great spike of ice so cold that it creates carbon dioxide snow. Thorns of ice rapidly expand within its body until they breach its armor from the inside, turning it into a huge frozen pincushion.

It would probably be appropriate to call this Gae Bolg, now that I think of it. Only the file names of spells are in Hymmnos while the given names are in the common language, so it's not like I would be breaking any rules.

Without all of my emotions being poured into the song, I feel a lot of relief... and I'm shaking. I'm not supposed to be shaking. I'm not human. I don't need to shake after doing something stressful. Dammit.

With one last look at the ice-riddled corpse, I get to work making sure none of its kin will grow into that monster. As soon as I've split the first one in half with a blade formed from my coat, I can't help but keep wondering where all the intermediate metroids are. I haven't seen a single Alpha, Gamma or Zeta.

Whatever. Just focus on killing these things. I split another, and another, noting with a morbid fascination how the metroids seem to just evaporate within seconds of being killed. Then I hear a crunching noise. I quickly turn my eyes to the source of it. It's a cocoon in the back of the cluster. It's suddenly moving around a lot, like something is trying to break out.

I try to grab it and pull it to me with my Klein Field, but then it suddenly expands to several times its previous size and the shell explodes.

Leaving a fully-formed Omega Metroid staring down at me.

Not distracted. Aware I'm here. And with me not prepared to sing.

"Ohhhh... shit."

More cocoons start shaking.
 
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At least you beat one of them? I begin to think fleeing to another continent and just ignoring them would have been wiser...
 
I feel a lot of relief... and I'm shaking. I'm not supposed to be shaking. I'm not human. I don't need to shake after doing something stressful. Dammit.
Reyvateils were also designed specifically to be human, even though they're AIs. That was the point, originally; humanity designed its own successor species, one that retained all the good qualities of humanity while discarding some of its weaknesses.

(Reyvateils don't get corrupted by power. Reyvateils have a built-in, intuitive understanding of physics and programming.)

So Einsig, whether his SI self knows it or not, is entirely human. Of course she'd be shaking, she isn't used to danger.
 
Humans made a successor species to themselves? But...in the games (or the 1st one, which I'm currently playing through) humans are still about. Wouldn't they be...not there, if they made a successor species?
 
Not really a successor,but more like hmm how we try to made AI for easier life? Let's just say reyvateil is originally created as an experiment on how to harness the power of song at first.
 
Humans made a successor species to themselves? But...in the games (or the 1st one, which I'm currently playing through) humans are still about. Wouldn't they be...not there, if they made a successor species?
Stuff done broke. In order:

- There was an ongoing low-level war between Sol Ciel and Sol Cluster. Reyvateils got repurposed as weapons, although without changing their mentality.

- One group of Teru (magical alien hybrids... descended from Telefunken) from Sol Cluster got involved, against treaty, ostensibly because they were anti-transhumanists but likely also for political reasons. They blew up the First Tower's power transmission system, causing it to go berserk; this event is known as the Grathnode Apocalypse. The ongoing discharges made space virtually inaccessible.

- The ongoing deterioration of the planet, significantly sped up by the Grathnode Apocalypse, caused the formation of the Sea of Death—basically a lethal fog covering the lower several kilometers of the atmosphere. Everyone who wasn't able to escape up a Tower died.

- At some point during these events, Tyria and the Tower of Harvestasha were built in Sol Cluster in an attempt to fix the planet, but thanks in part to some really terrible decisions and in part to lack of power, they weren't able to complete it.

Not really a successor,but more like hmm how we try to made AI for easier life? Let's just say reyvateil is originally created as an experiment on how to harness the power of song at first.
People had lots of different opinions on what the point of making Reyvateils was, so they ended up being design-by-committee. The Next-Generation Human Project is the group I find most interesting; it's also why Einsig is, well, not some purely rational AI weapon right now.

Pre-apocalypse Ar Ciel had politicians, generals and terrorists, but it also had truly idealistic people like, say, Shurelia's father. People who just wanted the place to be better.

Post-apocalypse Ar Ciel? ...well, by the time Ar Tonelico 3 is done, the sole remaining serious power is Sol Cluster... which by that point consists almost entirely of Reyvateils.
 
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For somebody not entirely familiar with the settings (read: not at all), what is the singing?
 
For somebody not entirely familiar with the settings (read: not at all), what is the singing?
Basically instead of chanting for casting spells, they Sing. And Songs are created via emotional powerful memories, the more powerful the emotions the more powerful the Song, but also the more difficult it is to make the Song in the first place.

The SI cheats in Song-Creation because they don't need to have someone else Dive into their mental-landscape (known as a Cosmosphere) to help them craft Songs, which pretty much all other Reyvateils do. Also the deeper you go into the Cosmosphere the more dangerous it gets for the person Diving, but also the more powerful Songs can only be forged on Deeper levels.

Also since the Cosmosphere is essentially a mind-scape, the deeper they go the more of your secrets/personality traits you try to hide they can see.
 
The SI cheats in Song-Creation because they don't need to have someone else Dive into their mental-landscape (known as a Cosmosphere) to help them craft Songs, which pretty much all other Reyvateils do.

This is incorrect. All Reyvateils are capable of creating basic songs without the help of a Diver. However, this takes many days or weeks of concentration and effort on their part, made harder by the fact that they have to live a normal human life in-between efforts to make their song.

A normal Reyvateil will at most make a few songs in an entire year on her own. She also can't attain the higher stage forms of those songs without a Diver.

I'm faster at making songs, but the same limitations (so far) apply.
 
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