A Song in the Fog [REBOOTED]
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Grey Rook
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I approve. Some things are just too dangerous to live.
I believe that they are called Revyatails... don't ask me how to pronounce it.
Darik29
Verified Delicious
Can't be, the planets mostly desert there. Unless this is Waaaaaaay back in the past of the planet, but I doubt it.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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I'm thinking this is some kind of artificial planet, put together for somethings amusement. That or this is on pay per view and someone's making a killing off of this.
Baughn
Healing-type writer
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The Reyvateils are part human, mostly AI, so it's not that... and it's not actually because Einsig is a hybrid of some sort, although that might help. They can maneuver while singing, they just mostly don't, because the songs get stronger with better focus.Oooh, nice, you found a way about the cannot-move-while-singing issue the Rey-whatever species had. Suppose it comes with being a computer-lady
But things like this can happen:
Ylamona
Konlulu~
Only halfblood is part human,the beta and origin are more of homunculus with AI like mind (structure wise?),just saying (and that's counting the digital ghost ones".)
87 hours for a song,well if the song's pretty strong then it's fast,really fast to compose for a reyvateil (or maybe abit slow for a quantum processor?),and i wonder about the cosmosphere part looks like since i doubt her mind "composition" is like normal reyvateil ,or human for that matter.
Also congratulation of your new song and late congratulation for you able to "sing" without a tower~
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Ah, Ar Tonelico inuenndo. Im surprised you didn't mention the life extending agent scene. That one tends tobe ...uncomfotable. not put me off toothbrushes uncomfortable but close.
Generalissimo
Generalissimo of SufficientVelocity
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Metroids only want to be your friend
Sakuya's Butler
A refined Butler to a knife wielding Mistress.
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Yeah, our resident SI better PRAY that this isn't SR388. Because for god's sake you -need- the Metroids to stay alive on that planet. Because they're the only viable predator to something terrifyingly worse that makes that planet its home.
Something that basically is Prototype's Alex Mercer, but can even mimic energy weapons....and once they've infested a sophont, they GAIN full sapience/become sophont.
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TikiTau
Commander Pangolinski
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- Texas
If it helps any, our Resident Revyvatail aRpeggio Exile isn't planning to wipe the entire planet's population out. Just the local area since she doesn't want BLOODY DAMN METROIDS under her when she's playing First Person Starbound/Terraria. (It was mostly the description of making a nice stone house that made me think that. xD). So less worry of Einsig accidentally kicking off a complete X Outbreak, y'know? :3
Also, if she's part Reyvatail, does this mean that she has an instinctive desire to have incredibly, hilariously impractical/stripperific outfits? I mean, she's starting to pick up the innate innuendo!
Ylamona
Konlulu~
She won't destroy the planet alright, except the extremely improbable chances of her invoke the anger of the planet/destroy any local equivalent of the planet's heart/destroying space/time continuum due to SCIENCE experiment of thanatonium and song SCIENCE/etc... (jk)
Sakuya's Butler
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Good. Just checking.If it helps any, our Resident Revyvatail aRpeggio Exile isn't planning to wipe the entire planet's population out. Just the local area since she doesn't want BLOODY DAMN METROIDS under her when she's playing First Person Starbound/Terraria. (It was mostly the description of making a nice stone house that made me think that. xD). So less worry of Einsig accidentally kicking off a complete X Outbreak, y'know? :3
Also, if she's part Reyvatail, does this mean that she has an instinctive desire to have incredibly, hilariously impractical/stripperific outfits? I mean, she's starting to pick up the innate innuendo!
Additionally, you should be able to find all KINDS of Chozo technology if you start looking through the subterranean areas. If Metroid II: Return of Samus is any indication (I still have my original GB cartridge, and play it. Religiously), then damn near everything except the 'basic' Power Suit can be found somewhere below the surface. That, and the spider-ball hidden inside in its depths is VASTLY superior to any of the other Morphball upgrades, including the Spider-ball seen on Tallon and the rest of the Prime series, excepting (possibly) the speed boost ball. Hell, the only techs you don't get on SR388 (which doesn't mean they aren't there...just that Samus never found them) are the Gravity Suit, a way to combine your beams all at the same time/a more primitive Spazer beam, super-missiles, power-bombs, speed booster, any visor upgrades, and the gravity beam. Everything else, Samus can find. So you could easily be able to get some very interesting gadgets if you do even a moderate amount of spelunking. *shrugs* Who knows, you might be the reason WHY Samus doesn't find those techs I listed, in that you got to them first, and took the only examples of them. Its not like she actually truly needed them (with the possible exception of the sheer hell of finding that one energy tank in the pitch black maze room, and the Varia Suit) considering she pwned the hell out of the Metroids without needing them.
And that's just the 'infantry' grade stuff left behind by the Chozo. There are also several droids/drones in working condition within the subterranean colonies/labs, along with various other bits of technology that you might be able to utilize. Its actually quite possible you could find an FTL drive or even a shuttle somewhere down there.
Sakuya's Butler
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No. There were laser Centipedes on SR388 to begin with. Thank the Chozo for that, they LOVED to make biological equivalents to UCAVs, turrets, and other things. Although they still used the occasional robotic device as well.
Ironically, damn near every animal that Samus runs across in Metroid, Metroid II, Super Metroid, Metroid Prime (not Echoes or Corruption though), and Metroid Fusion, are a result of Chozo bio-engineering/cybernetics.
They needed something to guard those upgrades. Why not bio-horrors?
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... There were?
Oh, uh, of course there were! Well spotted!
*totally does not do shifty eyes*
I wonder if the SIs going to have to worry about her memory getting re-written slightly. Its not actually re-writing the memory as far as I'm aware, more like making small changes that most humans do to their own memories, except for its purposed towards making the emotions of the memory stronger so they get stronger magic out of it.
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Cocona from the second game and the difference between how her parents actually died and how she thinks they died (which you can find out from the translated version of the song made from that situation).
I think I got that right... I know I got the broad-stokes of that right anyway. Baughn will probably correct me/expand on what I said if there is anything to expand on.
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Cocona from the second game and the difference between how her parents actually died and how she thinks they died (which you can find out from the translated version of the song made from that situation).
For those who don't mind spoilers... In the second game their was an... illness I guess that infected Reyvatails and caused them to go berserk. (Most of the game revolves around this to one degree or another) Anyway, Cocona has this and her parents were killed by a group of Reyvatails that went berserk, Cocona included. Cocona however passed out... for some reason, I think it was her young age, and came to not bonkers anymore. Anyway her mind re-wrote the memory so that she thought she killed her parents, or more accurately caused her to think the monster inside of her killed them.
I think I got that right... I know I got the broad-stokes of that right anyway. Baughn will probably correct me/expand on what I said if there is anything to expand on.
To provide context to people who haven't played Ar Tonelico. Human Reyvateil hybrids* weren't part of the original design plans and as a result don't come out all that healthy. Naturally they'll die of medical problems at around age 20 if they get a regular medical treatment that can be extended to 40. The exact procedure is full of euphemisms.
*Which is practically all of them because the tech needed to make Origin and Beta class Revyvateil's is long lost and depending on what part of the setting you are in people might not even be aware they are a thing. The game I am most familiar Ar Tonelico 2 there is only 1 Reyvateil of either type on the isolated world it takes place on the Origin is referred to as The Goddess by the population. Everyone assumes the Beta is a third generation because they don't have any idea that beta's are a thing despite her constantly dropping hints she is centuries old, from another world, and flaunts knowledge of lost tech.
Origins are the administrators for each Tower, when they administer the very land beneath your feet is it any wonder they call you a Goddess. Anyway while the way to make Origins is outright lost currently, there probably is a backup in one of the towers at least, the First Tower could still make Betas.
And Mir's a freak of nature even amongst other Reyvateils.
And to be fair to the Second Tower, they're even more out of touch with the Origin than the other two Towers (and the 3rd's was in hibernation) and I'm fairly sure Mir was the first... (technically she is a Beta I guess, so...) Beta to have stepped foot onto the 2nd in centuries.
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Ylamona
Konlulu~
To be exact only ar tonelico(1st) and harvestasha(3rd) have the means to make pureblood beta from what i remember (harvestasha population is mostly beta) and Mir's "neo-pureblood beta" is less strange for me than the one they tried to make at harvestasha.
On the matter of whether or not there is way to make origin's stored i am inclined to not,since most of tech got wiped out and the only one with "reliable" knowledge of song science probably only shurelia (eolia), not only that the NTL (DNA/Heart/telomere/core) of origin differ due to various reasons (shurelia/eolia differ abit,Tillia is closer to the newer(not exactly better though) gen i think..
..now that i think about it,if i remember correctly origin able to dive into their own cosmosphere (just like the digital ghost beta ) no? maybe SI able to know more about herself thorough that way?
Most reyvateils can't exert any control over their comosphere, though they can influence the first level if they're trained to do so.
While we see Shurelia and Frelia do so, they're actually not. Dive machines on them go into the Binary Field because of the way that the systems in the First and Second towers work. Shurelia doesn't have one, Frelia does but it's inaccessible. Mir can, and so can Tyria, but they're both really, really nonstandard.
To my knowledge, a reyvateil can't dive into themselves. They can engage in BF muckery, which approaches the issue from the other direction. Given that Einsig seems to be acting as a SH server, she could pretty easily do that (should have administrative rights). It's probably not a good idea though.
While we see Shurelia and Frelia do so, they're actually not. Dive machines on them go into the Binary Field because of the way that the systems in the First and Second towers work. Shurelia doesn't have one, Frelia does but it's inaccessible. Mir can, and so can Tyria, but they're both really, really nonstandard.
To my knowledge, a reyvateil can't dive into themselves. They can engage in BF muckery, which approaches the issue from the other direction. Given that Einsig seems to be acting as a SH server, she could pretty easily do that (should have administrative rights). It's probably not a good idea though.
Baughn
Healing-type writer
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Remember, Reyvateils are unconscious while using a dive machine—unless they're the one diving, which to my knowledge has never been shown but probably does happen.
This is inference, but the best interpretation of Cosmospheres is probably as a debugging interface. Reyvateils are mostly AI, even the ones that started out as human (the others being, of course, all AI), and it's explicitly stated in extra materials that the reason Shurelia lacks a Cosmosphere is that, at the time they made her, they didn't understand minds well enough to make one. For Tyria, they did, but chose not to for security reasons. Frelia's is just inaccessible unless you convince her otherwise, which you can't in-game.
Which has a couple of interesting implications, but the most relevant one is probably that Cosmospheres are designed to... tease the Reyvateil's mind apart, allowing an outsider to interact with core components without the whole thing being simultaneously functional, and thereby diagnose and/or fix any problems that show up. Of course, like everything else on Ar Ciel, they've been cargo-culted to hell and back over the last eight hundred years.
That being said, for Einsig to dive into herself would probably be akin to DIY brain surgery.
That's one possible interpretation. To the best of my knowledge, it's never been stated which history is correct, but you're right that Cocona believes in your spoiler.
Whatever happened, it was traumatic enough that both Cocona and Croix spent a long time ignoring the fact that Cocona was an incredibly obvious Reyvateil, what with throwing around fireballs in battle, and considering how third-generations work that can't have done anything good for her lifespan. I mean, Cocona I can understand, but... god damn it Croix, weren't you supposed to be her responsible big brother? Hell, he didn't even really not know, he kept making excuses that made no sense unless he already knew what he was making excuses for.
He has this unfortunate tendency to ignore and/or run away from problems, to the point that IIRC Mir was the one who finally taught Cocona the facts of life. And, okay, Mir kinda ended up adopting Cocona in one ending. (And then sent her off to Qoga, at the ripe old age of fourteen, because it was necessary. Cocona did agree, though...)
...folks? You'll hear a lot of bad things about Mir. It's worth remembering that the person who killed all those people was less than ten years old, and the current Mir prefers to do things like this:
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Ylamona
Konlulu~
Cosmosphere is akin to debugger/blueprint of mind,which any change is can be quite (extremely) dangerous, but i think 1st layer of cosmosphere can be used as uhh VR i guess like those Dive Therapist (though stil dangerous to self dive i guess,it's like facing your shadow in persona,but the damage can be permanent to mind) .
Now that i think about it,just how "deep" or even how's the structure of einsig's cosmosphere? Since she's
-Unlike other reyvateil,not piggybacking on the digital beta's cosmosphere.
-Amalgation of The Fog (Full quantum AI with non-organic body made of nanomaterial) and Origin (Mind much more structurized? than human,AI based) with human mind.
Really, i do wonder how she will be,such character is rare fo SI (not that i read,and remember much).Well keep it up.
Now that i think about it,just how "deep" or even how's the structure of einsig's cosmosphere? Since she's
-Unlike other reyvateil,not piggybacking on the digital beta's cosmosphere.
-Amalgation of The Fog (Full quantum AI with non-organic body made of nanomaterial) and Origin (Mind much more structurized? than human,AI based) with human mind.
Really, i do wonder how she will be,such character is rare fo SI (not that i read,and remember much).Well keep it up.