I think she ate some of the floor for mass when she was converting it to mass in her physics.

To put it another way, even if the material is completely invulnerable to anything the locals know of, if you change the laws of physics on it and start absorbing it... This is probably also why she started thinking of ways to not touch the ground next time she did it, floating in water sounds like it could work.
 
floating in water sounds like it could work.

She thought of this while very tired and probably not thinking straight.

Her opinion may not be the same after re-thinking the idea.

Incidentally, here is an example of a song in New Testament Pastalie. Note that the beginning of the song uses many Emotion Verbs that have no vowels (the words that have periods in them). These are bare verbs, void of any emotion. They are usually used when the singer is in a trance-like state or the verb is a machine-like action.



The identifier "x." is used at or near the beginning of a sentence to signify that the subject is someone other than the singer. For example.

xA harr hLYUmLYUmOrO eje/.
(She sings (the song of) her heart.)

The hilarious part about this is that I currently understand Pastalie better than I do standard Hymmnos.
 
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I would like it if you could insert the videos into the actual chapters where there is singing

But... that is not the song Hana is singing.

Hana is not singing any song that exists in the games or the extra albums. I made it up.

In the cases where I use a canon song in the story itself, I will post a video of it.
 
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She thought of this while very tired and probably not thinking straight.

Her opinion may not be the same after re-thinking the idea.

Incidentally, here is an example of a song in New Testament Pastalie. Note that the beginning of the song uses many Emotion Verbs that have no vowels (the words that have periods in them). These are bare verbs, void of any emotion. They are usually used when the singer is in a trance-like state or the verb is a machine-like action.



The identifier "x." is used at or near the beginning of a sentence to signify that the subject is someone other than the singer. For example.

xA harr hLYUmLYUmOrO eje/.
(She happily sings (the song of) her heart.)

The hilarious part about this is that I currently understand Pastalie better than I do standard Hymmnos.

This fic is my first exposure to Ar Tonelico. I've got to say it's a fascinating magic system - I've come across the rough idea before, but never developed in so much depth or detail.

I'm really looking forward to seeing where you take this, Einsig.
 
This fic is my first exposure to Ar Tonelico. I've got to say it's a fascinating magic system - I've come across the rough idea before, but never developed in so much depth or detail.

I'm really looking forward to seeing where you take this, Einsig.
It does, yeah. The series is pretty niche, most of the games coming out on the PS2 back when games actually got made for it...so something like 5-7 years ago, at a guess. There's a PS3 title to end the Ar Ciel trilogy, and another which is the sequel to a PsVita title in the Ra Ciela duet, and said PsVita title itself.

The game devs actually made up a language for this series. Multiple ones. They really went in-depth in worldbuilding for the games, too.
 
Since this changed from an SI story, I, well, finally got around to rereading a bit of the earlier parts and came across this:
The hair was weird, but I recognized this face. Why? Why this face? I didn't dislike it, but it looked exactly like the face of a character I remembered from a game called Ar Tonelico. Shouldn't I have had an appearance based on my subconscious and personality? That's what the avatar was supposed to be. The face, the body, the voice... all felt correct.
'Okay, clearly I need to put this in perspective. My current body is from a universe that my human memories would consider to be fictional, and have powers they would not believe to be possible. This bug is like that. It's doing something I don't understand, using powers I don't consider possible from a biological lifeform. It must also be from something that I would consider fictional. Problem is, shooting energy beams like magic is an extremely common thing in lots of fiction I know.'
Should there still be a mention of Ar Tonelico as a game? Because that phrase -- well, for any reader it would effectively make them go "Ah, an SI fic of some sort".

Or the other mention of fictional universes.

Even if it's no longer actually an SI, there still remains the fact that Fiction and Out-of-fiction is mixed here, so... Even if it's not an SI in the sense that it's the author entering the work, you still have, well, something like an SI as thematics? If that makes sense?


Or was the main point of the revisions to specifically remove references of author-as-the-character in the work, rather than toss out 'recognizes these places as fiction' entirely?

In which case, okay. I, uh, didn't really have a complaint so much as I was a bit confused/uncertain. :V
 
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Should there still be a mention of Ar Tonelico as a game? Because that phrase -- well, for any reader it would effectively make them go "Ah, an SI fic of some sort".

Or the other mention of fictional universes.

Even if it's no longer actually an SI, there still remains the fact that Fiction and Out-of-fiction is mixed here, so... Even if it's not an SI in the sense that it's the author entering the work, you still have, well, something like an SI as thematics? If that makes sense?
If it's a story starring a complete OC, I would think those memories would either need to be removed or altered. If not, they could stay as is, I guess. We'll need to see what Einsig thinks.
 
Or was the main point of the revisions to specifically remove references of author-as-the-character in the work, rather than toss out 'recognizes these places as fiction' entirely?

The intent was to remove the author-as-insert. Her believing everything around her is from a work of fiction is, however, completely within the bounds of Ar Tonelico's narrative themes.

I'm going to drop a massive spoiler here, but it's rather obvious if you know anything about Ar Tonelico. I don't think I'm surprising anyone who has ever played the games, especially if you've seen Mir's Cosmosphere. Doubly so if you've seen the Surge Concerto duality. (which I will not be using in any direct manner at all in this story, just to be clear)

Completely realistic simulated reality is a thing. You can have all your memories temporarily blocked while there, living out a fictional life you can do nothing but believe is real. Things from real life can be presented to you as a work of fiction inside the sim, or incorporated into the sim in a different interpretation or as an allegory.

All of Hana's memories of her human life are the product of a simulation. She knows that, and has mostly gotten over it.

She is currently not in a simulation.

I will edit some parts in the early stages to make it more clear that Hana isn't a self-insert.
 
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Ah, okay. Also -- is this a spoiler in the sense of "spoiler for the Ar Tonelico series" or "possible spoiler for this story"?
 
Completely realistic simulated reality is a thing. You can have all your memories temporarily blocked while there, living out a fictional life you can do nothing but believe is real. Things from real life can be presented to you as a work of fiction inside the sim, or incorporated into the sim in a different interpretation or as an allegory.

Is Hana in a sim?

Not telling.

I will edit some parts in the early stages to make it more clear that Hana probably isn't a self-insert.
You might want to reconsider leaving people wondering about that. In my experience, although either one of the options would be okay, being told that it /might/ be the case is a killer for immersion.

I could be wrong. It's Ar Tonelico, after all.
 
You might want to reconsider leaving people wondering about that. In my experience, although either one of the options would be okay, being told that it /might/ be the case is a killer for immersion.

I could be wrong. It's Ar Tonelico, after all.

Well, I wasn't sure if I wanted to make the readers wonder about that, anyway.

I suppose leaving it ambiguous wouldn't be nice for what people think about the other characters.
 
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She thought of this while very tired and probably not thinking straight.

Her opinion may not be the same after re-thinking the idea.

Incidentally, here is an example of a song in New Testament Pastalie. Note that the beginning of the song uses many Emotion Verbs that have no vowels (the words that have periods in them). These are bare verbs, void of any emotion. They are usually used when the singer is in a trance-like state or the verb is a machine-like action.



The identifier "x." is used at or near the beginning of a sentence to signify that the subject is someone other than the singer. For example.

xA harr hLYUmLYUmOrO eje/.
(She sings (the song of) her heart.)

The hilarious part about this is that I currently understand Pastalie better than I do standard Hymmnos.

Um... is it just me or does the tone of the song really doesn't fit to it's text? Because the text seems rather depressing or at least rage inducing during the middle part, but the sound is all happy fighting song.
 
Um... is it just me or does the tone of the song really doesn't fit to it's text? Because the text seems rather depressing or at least rage inducing during the middle part, but the sound is all happy fighting song.
That's because it's not a fighting song.

You need to understand the history of METHOD_METAFALICA. It was originally created as an attempt at making a better world, but history—human weakness, and plain bad luck—caused it to trigger a war instead, one which ended bitterly. Several centuries later, the protagonists of AT2 pick it up again—get involved with another war—and by the time it's over, the victory is decidedly bittersweet.

So the song itself is sung with mixed emotions.

...was that vague enough? :p

It may also help to realize that METHOD_METAFALICA, in that incarnation, is a song being sung by Cloche to Luca and vice-versa. It's a duet; their emotions are mostly the same.
A duet between Leyka and Luca.
 
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Um... is it just me or does the tone of the song really doesn't fit to it's text? Because the text seems rather depressing or at least rage inducing during the middle part, but the sound is all happy fighting song.
The song actually functions as a political debate of sorts. Cloche sings to unite the minds of the people here (literally in regards to the reyvateils dependent on Infel Phira) so they can decide beforehand whether or not to support her in singing the true METAFALICA when the time comes.

Sarla na layy
 
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I'm going to get to work on it. Making decisions about what I want to happen, what I want to do with the characters I've introduced, that sort of thing.

Oh... oh god.

I think I accidentally made Hana look like Reizei Mako from Girls und Panzer.




Take her fringe hair and swipe it over to her left and make her face more like Mir's.

I had no intention of this.
Looks like that's about what happened
 
Um... is it just me or does the tone of the song really doesn't fit to it's text? Because the text seems rather depressing or at least rage inducing during the middle part, but the sound is all happy fighting song.
I was looking for this yesterday, but couldn't find it.

You think Metafalica was sad? Here's the song magic used to kick off* that war I mentioned, right after a great loss.


(*: Nominally. The lyrics are fanmade, canon only mentions it by name.)
 
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I was looking for this yesterday, but couldn't find it.

You think Metafalica was sad? Here's the song magic used to kick off* that war I mentioned, right after a great loss.


(*: Nominally. The lyrics are fanmade, canon only mentions it by name.)

Wow, that was chilling. That was the original METHOD_REPLEKIA wasn't it. That might be more evocative than REPLEKIA itself.

Personally I found METAFALICA to be uplifting though.
 
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Wow, that was chilling. That was the original METHOD_REPLEKIA wasn't it. That might be more evocative than REPLEKIA itself.
Not quite. It's a song that triggers a mode shift for Infel Phira, but to Messela mode, not Replekia.

The difference is mostly mental. Infel Phira was built without the safeguards that prevent the minds of multiple Reyvateils instantiated on the same song server from blending into each other, but in Sarre (that is, normal) mode that difference is mostly theoretical.

It has a couple other modes, however.

Replekia: Allows free flow of power, but keeps the boundary gates locked tight. This has to be sung by every Reyvateil involved, as it's wholly voluntary. Used, famously, in the third age attempt on Sol Marta, by Cloche against Nenesha's little abomination of a virus, and by Cocona in the background of METHOD_HYMMELI. (Well, Cloche helped there as well; mode shifts can only be started by the maiden of Mio.)

Metafalica: Ditto, but also opens up the boundary gates, allowing the minds of the IPDs to blend together. Note that just because they can, doesn't mean they will. They all keep their free will here, but so long as they're focused on the same thing it allows them far greater degree of synchronization. It wouldn't be unreasonable to say that the heart of the land was created by a single super-Reyvateil rather than a population of them; this is how they were able to do what was thought to be impossible.

Infel Phira was left in this mode at the end of the game, and may need to stay there to power the land. Time will tell what the consequences are.

Messela: Ditto, but overrides the minds and wills of every connected Reyvateil using that of the Queen. Originally created as a way of stopping (theoretical) IPD outbreaks, this mode is what Infel in her grief and despair used in an attempt at getting revenge on the (innocent) Frelia.

It's possible that entering it was voluntary on part of the others.
 
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Messela: Ditto, but overrides the minds and wills of every connected Reyvateil using that of the Queen. Originally created as a way of stopping (theoretical) IPD outbreaks, this mode is what Infel in her grief and despair used in an attempt at getting revenge on the (innocent) Frelia.

It's possible that entering it was voluntary on part of the others.
Is it canon that their minds were overwritten? IP seems to act as a custom hymn crystal reflecting the Maiden's song. The lyrics here seem to reflect that with a second part that is less focused and more primal than the lead vocals.
 
Is it canon that their minds were overwritten? IP seems to act as a custom hymn crystal reflecting the Maiden's song. The lyrics here seem to reflect that with a second part that is less focused and more primal than the lead vocals.
Overridden, not overwritten, and the song itself is fanmade; it's a tertiary source at best. Beyond that, it's complicated.

Messela mode certainly exists, and it has the properties I described. It appears to override the emotions, and possibly goals, of every Reyvateil linked to IP with those of the Maiden of Mio, aka. Infel. (Or Cloche, but she's never used it. A different story; it was in use prior to the Grand Bell's rebellion in order to safely suppress IPD outbreaks, as the original hardware intended to do so more gently was destroyed.)

Messela mode was probably used in the war against the goddess. However, all my sources here are tertiary. I have several, but the primary sources are in japanese only; they have not been translated to the wiki. (Which I count as a secondary source.) Let's say 75% chance I'm right about that.

As Messela mode was used to suppress outbreaks, it should be reversible.

One thing you might not expect from reading the first half of AT2 is that

Infel won that war. It wasn't exactly a cheap victory, given that all the fatalities were on her side, but she won. Unfortunately for her, the thing she wanted from Frelia was simply outside Frelia's ability to give; if she'd had enough power to create land then they wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Frelia was never the bogeyman she was painted as, but Frelia also lacked agency for almost her entire life.

It goes somewhat like this, chronologically; the pre-tower parts of this are a little uncertain:

- Sol Cluster and Sol Ciel are in a state of war. This is pre-apocalypse, and indeed pre-Reyvateil.

- Sound Science is developed by some very smart people in Sol Ciel. They decide to create Ar Tonelico, which is intended as a weapon of war. Simultaneously, the Reyvateil project is completed, with the creation of the first Reyvateil, Eoria. The Reyvateils are a joint military-civilian project; the civilian side intended it as the Next-Generation Human project, while the military of course wanted soldiers. So what they got was the NGH AGI system combined with a military-developed chassis. Suffice to say, Reyvateils were never deployed in that particular conflict. They were used later, but they aren't very good soldiers; they're too nice, so if your opponent isn't a monster your generals will be in trouble.

- Probably as a side effect of being derived from the NGH project, the Reyvateil AGI system is compatible with human uploads, and will over time extend and convert a human upload into a normal Reyvateil. This is never explicitly stated, but is implicit in every bit of the story's treatment of third-generations.

- At about this time Hymmnos is developed, with Central Standard Note being the human-level programming language for Ar Tonelico. An understanding of it is also built into Reyvateils; as Einsig pointed out, it isn't really optimised for being used by AIs, and the original military package included expert systems that allow humans to use it reasonably well. Mind you, this still means that Reyvateils can make a song in a couple minutes that a human would spend weeks or months to encode.

- Some time before this all happens, one of the lead Sound Science researchers--Eleno--loses his daughter, who is caught up in a bomb from Sol Cluster that got through security. Yes, this is the sort of war that includes terrorist-like tactics. The two areas do not like each other. As a result of the trauma from this event, he ends up adopting Eoria, seeing in her someone very like his daughter. (This is not an official adoption, but he manages to place himself in the lead on the team managing her such that the effect is the same.)

His daughter's name was Shurelia, and he reuses it for Eoria.

Shurelia is well aware of her original name, but never uses it. It's pretty clear that he was an immense influence on her. Note that the three Origins' names--Eoria, Frelia and Tyria--are based on three goddesses in Ar Ciel legend. (Which may, possibly be the corrupted names of some of the Ciel nosurge protagonists, or even combinations.)

And now we get to the meat of this.

- Ar Tonelico itself does not have the range to reach Sol Cluster. It gives Sol Ciel unparalled military control of its surrounding area, but can't end the conflict. To do so, they design a relay satellite--something similar to Sasha's Kaira, only it's much bigger, more capable, and intended as a permanent installation. They call it Sol=Marta, and it would extend the range of Ar Tonelico's weaponry to cover Sol Cluster as a whole.

- Metafalls is at this point a satellite nation of Sol Ciel; somewhat like, say, Mexico is to the USA, though details are scarce. What is known is that their land is mostly desert. As payment for being allowed to permanently station Sol=Marta over them, they promise to use their new scientific knowhow[1] to create Metafalica, the green land promised in their legends. (There is an actual green land nearby, mind you. It's called Sol Ciel.)

- Frelia is created, and the Sol Marta design extended to include a song server for her use. Sol Marta does not in fact include a song server for Beta-class Reyvateils (or 3rd-generations, although those were not intended); the non-IPD Reyvateils on Metafalls do connect to Sol Marta, but the connection is proxied through to Ar Tonelico. For most purposes this makes no difference.

Frelia is also the testbed for the Beta-class Reyvateil mind design, specifically D-Cellophane. D-Cellophane improves on the HD-Cellophane that Shurelia uses in one important respect: It's read-write instead of read-only. As either type of Cellophane specifies the overall physical and mental layout of the Reyvateil, this means that Betas have fewer limits than Origins. However, this is also one of the reason why the Beta lifespan is sadly limited, at a mere 150 years; the original design called for Reyvateils to be unaging. That is, however, only a problem without maintenance, and one they fully expect to solve in the future; in fact, probably before the first one even hits fifty. And it's not like there'll be an apocalypse, right?

It's hard to say whether or not the mutability of Frelia's mind means it has an expiration date, since she spent a lot of time in suspended animation, but it's certainly true that she took following events much harder than Shurelia or Tyria. The latter two basically can't be traumatized.

D-Cellophane also adds one staple of the series: The "Cosmosphere" mind-debugging interface. HD-Cellophane does not have it. So, Shurelia and Tyria do not have cosmospheres, while Frelia has one--it simply doesn't show up in-game.

So, Frelia was not important for Sol Ciel's ambitions in the area. She's there as payment; she was in fact delivered to Metafalls shortly after creation, and grew up there for several years before Sol Marta was completed. One of her best friends there was a boy who, surprisingly, is still alive--though he got uploaded at some point and now has a giant blue wolf for a body.

(Well, he'd say that he isn't quite the same person. Frelia clearly believes otherwise. I'm happy she's got that, at least...)

As a result, Frelia does not control Sol=Marta's functions, though she has priority access to its power input. She also does not control its defensive AI, Raki, which is what actually ran the war against Infel. Raki's only priority is to maintain Sol Marta's existence, and Infel was risking that; she doesn't appear terribly concerned about Frelia herself. Raki is also not a Reyvateil, but rather a Sol Ciel military AI.

What happened to cause AT2 is this:

- Grathnode Inferia. As Sol Marta was nearing operation, a Teru bombing destroyed the power regulator circuits in Ar Tonelico, which caused it go haywire and pretty much finish off the planet.

- Frelia was at that point busy creating what we now know as Metafalls, with quite a lot of help. She had not quite completed the, well, humongous sound science-based 3D printer that would actually create Metafalica; that printer is what everyone now lives on. Naturally, it is not terribly hospitable.

- Because of the damage to Ar Tonelico, the power flow to Sol Marta nearly cut off, leaving Frelia unable to finish the job.

- Lots of stuff happened. For the next few hundred years, everyone was too busy just surviving to worry about wars, and the countries lost contact. At some point Shurelia was (deliberately) damaged, causing her to lose her memory that Metafalls even existed; after that, she was too busy suppressing Mir (who'd risen in rebellion specifically to rescue Shurelia) to really do much else. You can see why Mir might be a little bitter, although it all worked out in the end. Mir was, not to put too fine a point on it, younger than Hana at the time. She was also provoked to a point that'd send any human into a berserker rage. Reyvateils aren't really supposed to do that, but.. yeah. There are limits, and she's a Neo-Beta; they'd messed (badly) with her emotional controls.

- Infel and Nenesha were born. At the time, Metafalls had achieved a better understanding of sound science than Sol Ciel had at the time of Inferia, and Infel--a genius even among Reyvateils--promptly put this to use designing Infel Phira, which would work around the power limitations by extracting power from every IPD connected to it. This was also helped by their theory of the Heart of Gaia, which would make the created land largely self-sustaining once completed; thus, they could keep expanding as necessary. Unfortunately, although she'd originally hoped otherwise, it turned out that the procedure for making a heart was too complex for even a Reyvateil to manage, but...

Well, Infel was an absolute genius, and she managed to work around it with Metafalica Mode, which allows every IPD connected to Infel Phira to contribute to the process.

Unfortunately, this requires them all to agree about what they're doing.

You can probably see where this is going. Infel and Nenesha assumed too much about the people they were leading, and failed to account for human weakness; Reyvateils, while generally nice, aren't absolutely perfect. The IPDs, while Metafalica was running, saw that Infel was doing it more for the sake of fulfilling Nenesha's dream than for them. And while under normal circumstances you'd shrug and go "Yeah, but she's also doing it for everyone else, and the result is the same"... a short moment of doubt, multiplied by a thousand IPDs, was enough to ruin the stability of the power flow.

Nenesha attempted to backstop by taking power from Frelia, which she could do due to having Frelia's hymn code. As Frelia had no spare power to give--having bled herself white keeping as much of Metafalls working and non-collapsed as possible--this mostly succeeded in draining Sol Marta of the power it needed to stay afloat[2], and torturing Frelia--upon which Raki, concerned about the first half of that, descended to Metafalls and killed Nenesha.

This happened while parts of Metafalls were collapsing, because Nenesha, again, was depriving Frelia of the power she needed to keep it afloat.

Infel, who did not know any of this, basically went mad with rage and grief, and declared war on the goddess, proclaiming that if Frelia was going to stop them from creating land with such harsh measures then she was going to take the power she needed. Raki was forced to retreat, but came back with the Divine Army (of robots), Infel Phira was seriously damaged, hundreds of IPDs died... and Infel won the war.

But, since what she wanted was physically impossible, they instead came up with the plan for Hibernation. This involved reformatting Infel Phira, uploading the entire population of Metafalls to it (sans the IPDs, who'd be dead), and putting Frelia in suspended animation to join them. Only the last part of that actually happened. I don't recall if it was ever stated why, but "All the IPDs would die" was likely part of it; Infel by that point may have been suicidal, but the rest of them certainly weren't.

Then, midway through AT2, Infel's ghost[3] showed up and attempted to resume the process.

So, when Cloche attempts to attack Sol Marta with Replekia and Luca goes "Stop! Don't destroy this world!"...

Luca's side of it is absolutely, one hundred percent correct. Up until the point they try to go through with Hibernation, anyway. Infel certainly wasn't expecting Leyka and Luca to succeed in singing Metafalica, when she failed herself.

It's quite the demonstration of Cloche's personality and skills that they do, and a side of her that I honestly think wasn't represented well enough in-game, though I'd have been hard pressed to do half as well myself.



1: And near-infinite power feed, courtesy of... one of Eleno's birthday presents to the original Shurelia, wtf... suspecting Earth shenanigans here...

2: Sol Marta isn't on the equator. It's in a geostationary, powered orbit at a middling latitude. Yeah...

3: ..upload, whichever; it's really no surprise that someone capable of building a song server would be able to escape her body's death, seeing as Reyvateil minds don't depend on their bodies in any real way at all; it's, um, a malfunctioning garbage-collection system or something that makes them actually die. It's more interesting that Nenesha also lived.

The above is mostly derived from the wiki, as the games only include some of it, and there's unmarked (but reasonable (well, I would say that)) speculation inside; by all means do check the wiki before using. Or don't, it's not like anyone will call you on it.

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@Mizu: Spoilers or not, this is required reading for you given the plot of your fic.
 
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