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Thomasfoolery said:
I was thinking of it as an aura skill that basically reduces the need for Agi by applying good damage without the need to dart into grappling range (While also putting down all the other immortals without needing to focus on them), am I misunderstanding how it applies exactly? Or just overestimating the damage it puts out and such a strategy would take too long?
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Hateful Might vs Sten with his Soul Evocation / Rank returning is basically rocket tag; it's still favored for Hunger since he has more advantages but not as much as a pure AGI build. It's basically the equivalent of buying Preeminence + a ton of STR in this fight - good, but somewhat tangential to Hunger's core strategy as he already has melee-range Cut Through.
 
Doesn't Sten have immense superhuman will since he's been guarding an artifact for 10000 years that's constantly been screaming at him to murder all the immortals and release it and he hasn't gone totally crazy yet?
 
Hrm... as good as Headsman is, I would be more willing to lose an arm again than I would be with losing our cool-ass blade winds.
 
It occurs to me that avenging is one of Hunger's defining motivations. To me, that's the clincher.

[X] The Ring of Power - Avenger - 7 Arete - Power to exact the ultimate price.

[X] Age - Cut him down as the span of years ought have.

Talace said:
Hrm... as good as Headsman is, I would be more willing to lose an arm again...
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We already lost an arm again. Though we'll probably be able to put it back.
 
LordOfMurder said:
Doesn't Sten have immense superhuman will since he's been guarding an artifact for 10000 years that's constantly been screaming at him to murder all the immortals and release it and he hasn't gone totally crazy yet?
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No, I've already commented on this. He has incredibly weak will, because he's been ground down by the tortured screams of the ring. Also, convincing him to go insane is a literal vote option due to how frail his mind is.

The immortals were afraid of Hunger dragging this assault out because Sten's mind is actively coming apart at the seams when he's not dissociating with his shadow out.
 
[X] The Ring of Power - Avenger - 7 Arete - Power to exact the ultimate price.

[X] Age - Cut him down as the span of years ought have.

agumentic said:
Pretty likely is good enough for me. If there's little short-term risk, I think we can afford to think of the future.
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This is literally the worst possible time to be thinking that way. This is the final boss fight. This is refusing to use the potion at the end of the game!
 
Byzantine said:
[X] The Ring of Power - Avenger - 7 Arete - Power to exact the ultimate price.

[X] Age - Cut him down as the span of years ought have.


This is literally the worst possible time to be thinking that way. This is the final boss fight. This is refusing to use the potion at the end of the game!
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We didn't even finish the First Geas assignment, calling Sten a final boss is more than a bit disingenuous.
 
LordOfMurder said:
If we're the head of a nation and an opposing nation declares war on us, does that count as severely wronging us?
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Depends. It's all contextually dependent, you won't get reliable answers without knowing the full situation.

Byzantine said:
Where does HDS+ Fierce Quickening + Honing - 2 Arete fall there?
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Maybe a bit better than Knife build.

Byzantine said:
This is literally the worst possible time to be thinking that way. This is the final boss fight. This is refusing to use the potion at the end of the game!
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But I have 99 of them! I don't wanna go down to 98...
 
LordOfMurder said:
Doesn't Sten have immense superhuman will since he's been guarding an artifact for 10000 years that's constantly been screaming at him to murder all the immortals and release it and he hasn't gone totally crazy yet?
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Yeah, but as others point out, that will has been eroded by the aforementioned ten thousand years of ring-screaming, he's already pretty crazy, and he's badly injured and someone has made him bleed his own blood for the first time in many millennia.

So his immense superhuman will probably has the flu, so to speak.

Still, though, FINISH HIM.

We'll probably get a lot of mileage out of Avenger. By definition it is most effective against those enemies capable of seriously harming us. It gives us a radical increase in power (at least sixfold, and since physical stat boosts aren't strictly linear arguably more so) whenever anyone actually succeeds in harming us. And it [REDACTED]-izes well with various abilities that allow us to withstand an enemy's powerful first shot, such as the way the Ring of Blood lets us survive crippling wounds.

Plus, it also lets us land 'criticals' even in social combat! How cool is that?
 
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R'Today at 2:31 AM
It would probably have been either an extremely costly victory (a bad devastating condition or three, maybe lose an Artifact) or Hunger grievously wounds him but is forced to retreat with some major conditions
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R'Today at 2:36 AM
I mean
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"hunger grievously wounds him but is forced to retreat"
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is pretty bad
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and/or the Forebear's Blade breaking again
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or the Ring getting fucked up
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No more risks. If we had chosen Sten we would have been fucked up. No more risks.
 
My preference would be something like:

Hateful Might>FQ+Honing>Headsman>Avenger>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anything with H-DS. It's the only option I'd actually dislike.

And yes, Headsman is superior to Avenger to me because we'd actually benefit from a 7 Arete option most of the time and we can get other ranged options. I don't like getting a seven Arete purchase we might as well not have most of the time. At least we can use play into using Passion against our foes, or failing that, just convert that Arete into Ruling Ring so it's not "wasted". I wouldn't hate it if it won though.
 
[X] Treachery

Rihaku said:
"I believe," he enunciated carefully, "that we deserve this. In fact we deserve much more. I just have to hear the scream and I can barely tolerate myself, let alone the likes of you

...

Cautiously she met his eyes. "So... you'll do it? You'll protect us again?"

He pulled her beside. It made his skin crawl, but the familiar warmth was good, as well. "I can only ever be what time has made me."
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"Evangeline's dead. Tell me Sten, what are you fighting for?"
 
Remember that with the sheer power of Sten that even without his Soul Evocation, he can still kick our skull in. When we let this fight go on for too long, even with him dead the other Immortals will have their powers back. With the power boost from defeating Sten they might be trivial opponents but their exotic powers plus whatever injuries we received from Sten, we will like be Tired or worse Exhausted with a complication coming with the deal. An outscaled Apocryphal threat might not mean much against us normally but in our weakened state...
 
BrainInAJar said:
My preference would be something like:

Hateful Might>FQ+Honing>Headsman>Avenger>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anything with H-DS. It's the only option I'd actually dislike.

And yes, Headsman is superior to Avenger to me because we'd actually benefit from a 7 Arete option most of the time and we can get other ranged options. I don't like getting a seven Arete purchase we might as well not have most of the time. At least we can use play into using Passion against our foes, or failing that, just convert that Arete into Ruling Ring so it's not "wasted". I wouldn't hate it if it won though.
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Brain. Please check your risk assessment. If we had picked Sten right now we would probably be utterly fucked. We can't keep doing close calls because "it's only a little more risk!"
 
So yeah Avenger is good when we've been badly wronged which covers most times when we're not the ones attacking or if we're defending someone important to us who has been wronged. It gets us through this fight easily and is still useful afterwards so it's a pretty good pick.

It'll even be useful when we eventually go after the hidden masters!
 
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Byzantine said:
No. It isn't. He's the final boss for the Temple, which we are still underleveled for.
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The Temple is not the greatest power we will face and the game doesn't end after we clear it, therefore I think that considering our future is entirely fitting for this place, as long as we don't risk too much right now. Not using elixirs when facing the final boss of the game is silly because there isn't any use for the elixirs afterwards, but there is a lot of use for the Arete in general and Ruling Ring in particular after Temple.
 
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