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I can jive with this, my concern is just that it will also wear off if we lose our blood advancements due to losing the Ring.

[X] The Ring of Power - Dominion - 2 Arete
[X] The Ring of Power - Preeminence - 7 Arete
[X] The Ring of Power - Hateful Might
[X] Age
 
Avenger doubling our stats and tripling our attack damage vs Stan AND BER is honestly the best option. Passion + Preeminence is ok but they are not fixing the issue. We can always take FQ and Honing later.
 
Talace said:
We'd need Dominion: Passion for that build, so we can't pick Knife.
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We are paying now for refusing to pre-buy Dominion: Passion, but I can't think of a single vote where we could have invested a pick into a power that activates so rarely.
 
Rihaku said:
[ ] Forebear's Blade - Headsman - 7 Arete - Who passes the sentence...
Seals the ability to launch blade projections and blade-winds. While the Forebear's Blade is as light as it ever was to the wielder themselves, its effective mass is multipled tremendously for other purposes. In addition, the Blade casts a shadow of potential around its wielder, impossibly increasing the margin of error for deflection.

+++++Strength, ++Int (Combat), ++Wisdom (Combat), ++Wits
Double the value of Str +s for use of the Blade
+50% to the value of AGI +s when blocking and parrying
+.2 Defensive Rank when blocking and parrying
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this is deeply unwise to take, blade winds are something we have considerable investment in that work excellently with the Crimson Ring
 
Talace said:
I can jive with this, my concern is just that it will also wear off if we lose our blood advancements due to losing the Ring.

[X] The Ring of Power - Dominion - 2 Arete
[X] The Ring of Power - Preeminence - 7 Arete
[X] The Ring of Power - Hateful Might
[X] Age
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Yeah. That's my concern. I would rather take Forebear's blade upgrades right now.
 
[X] The Ring of Power - Avenger
[X] Treachery

Was really undecided between this and the Hateful Might build, but I feel like that's one specialty against enemies with blood too many. With Apocrypha we're all but guaranteed to proc Avenger again, even if I don't think it's as easy as some questers hope.
 
There are actually quite a number of viable builds here!

1) Fierce Quickening + Honing (+Hero-Defeating Stance)
2) Knife + Fierce + Echo + Hero-Defeating Stance
3) Headsman
4) Avenger
5) Domain & Preeminence: Passion + Hateful Might

That said, some are greedier than others, with Headsman and Avenger being the best for immediate use. Both come with somewhat severe downsides though (Avenger - 7 Arete that's frequently useless, Headsman - no blade winds :( ). Something like the first two builds should be investigated, they both offer substantial benefits with great flexibility! The main weakness of build 5) is a relative lack of AGI gain, as you're only really getting +Agi from Preeminence.
 
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Honing - 2 Arete
[X] Age

+++++Agility with mental stats will be enough against a wounded foe and will finish things quickly
 
Guys remember Infiltrate? People chose to save up Arete and ignore Shadowlord resulting in us pretty much spending more Arete than was required and while it got us Crimson Flare, it also didn't do the job of actually infiltrating the inner circle.

All I'm saying guys is don't be stingy now and just buy the sure win option in Avenger. It takes care of Sten no matter which method wins fast enough that his Soul Evocation don't come to play and splatter us. It also unlocks and discounts the EFB Blood Price for those aiming for a triple EFB for every artifact Special Achievement.
 
I mean, Preeminence: Passion is supposed to be rare, so picking it while it guarantees victory is great; while picking it later likely won't be as good. Let's us save for Ruling Ring and more importantly, it improves our Fishing! How can we pass that up!
Talace said:
I can jive with this, my concern is just that it will also wear off if we lose our blood advancements due to losing the Ring.
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The Ring is part of our soul now, we won't lose it that easily!
 
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Honing - 2 Arete
[X] Age

I think I'll be a rabbit and hope around a lot this build. As Rihaku said, lots of viable ones and this was my initial thought.

...King Stands Alone is really rare so... maybe add HDS?

SpectatingRaven said:
All I'm saying guys is don't be stingy now and just buy the sure win option in Avenger. It takes care of Sten no matter which method wins fast enough that his Soul Evocation don't come to play and splatter us. It also unlocks and discounts the EFB Blood Price for those aiming for a triple EFB for every artifact Special Achievement.
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It's sounding like several builds are pretty much guaranteed wins in the current situation, since Sten is already heavily wounded.
 
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Rihaku said:
Hunger's power over blood is weakened with the Ring of Power severed from his body, but Sten is half-blind and eviscerated, his eye and lower torso cored by the power of Ruin. The other Immortals are beginning to recover. The Ring of Blood cannot maintain its vehemence forever; eventually Hunger's blood-based enhancements will start to falter as his external influence has.
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Guys, this is my concern with taking Ring advancements! We could plausibly still kill Sten without our blood if we took Headsman or Pearlescence, but not if we took only blood.
 
BrainInAJar said:
I mean, Preeminence: Passion is supposed to be rare, so picking it while it guarantees victory is great; while picking it later likely won't be as good. Let's us save for Ruling Ring and more importantly, it improves our Fishing! How can we pass that up!

The Ring is part of our soul now, we won't lose it that easily!
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The Hateful Might build doesn't guarantee victory, though it's pretty likely. Something like Hero-Defeating + Knife + Stats has somewhat better odds, while Headsman would have much better odds.
 
Talace said:
Guys, this is my concern with taking Ring advancements! We could plausibly still kill Sten without our blood if we took Headsman or Pearlescence, but not if we took only blood.
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nah we're completely doomed without it, we lose too much speed
we just need to stack speed and end him quickly
 
Rihaku said:
5) is a relative lack of AGI gain, as you're only really getting +Agi from Preeminence.
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I was thinking of it as an aura skill that basically reduces the need for Agi by applying good damage without the need to dart into grappling range (While also putting down all the other immortals without needing to focus on them), am I misunderstanding how it applies exactly? Or just overestimating the damage it puts out and such a strategy would take too long?
 
Byzantine said:
It's sounding like several builds are pretty much guaranteed wins in the current situation, since Sten is already heavily wounded.
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I'm okay with any of Rihaku's recommended builds because each seems to be able to beat Sten. Its just that some of the "weaker" builds(specifically for this fight) might cause us to accrue a nasty complication just when the Apocryphal Curse is around the corner.
 
Byzantine said:
...King Stands Alone is really rare so... maybe add HDS?
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I'd prefer to buy Avenger than HDS. No overlap whatsoever permitted!
Talace said:
Guys, this is my concern with taking Ring advancements! We could plausibly still kill Sten without our blood if we took Headsman or Pearlescence, but not if we took only blood.
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Blood gives 11 AGI, if we lose that much we are screwed with any option.
Rihaku said:
The Hateful Might build doesn't guarantee victory, though it's pretty likely. Something like Hero-Defeating + Knife + Stats has somewhat better odds, while Headsman would have much better odds.
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why do you want to make us lose stuff rihaku
why
 
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