The robot seems pretty powerful, so there's one thing we can combo with off the bat.

Huh, actually given Gisena's tech ability, I wonder if we've just swapped roles with the proposed Catherine Build. Now Gisena is the one forcing us into the robot and fixing er up.

On Unshattered. Burning potential would be pretty hard for me to do right here anyway, but keeping the injuries on top of it? Pretty hard sell.
 
You'd still be a Progression-type Cursebearer at the end of the day, though, and one with Hunger to boot! Losing To Shatter Heaven is a blow, but you're getting massive amounts of progress out of it anyway! And it doesn't even apply to non-Accretion magic systems...
 
Thing is, we still have a minimum of fifty years of ruling. Accelerating a couple of years in our build is not as valuable in the face of that, especially given the drawbacks. We should take care to pace ourselves, to pick just the right combination of immediate power and long term scaling. Unshattered is a bit too extreme.
On the other hand, we're at the lowest point of Curse Mitigation right now, so now might be the best time to git gud.
 
You'd still be a Progression-type Cursebearer at the end of the day, though, and one with Hunger to boot! Losing To Shatter Heaven is a blow, but you're getting massive amounts of progress out of it anyway! And it doesn't even apply to non-Accretion magic systems...

Yeah but how much harder is it to pilot a mech with 1 arm and 1 eye? Think of all the causalities from firing the super duper missile with that depth perception! We'd need a lot of Heartlessness to go with Shattered in that case.
 
Power now also means that we can leverage that into more powah. Unshattered would allow the MC to hunt down stronger opponents thus catapulting his growth.
 
Power now also means that we can leverage that into more powah. Unshattered would allow the MC to hunt down stronger opponents thus catapulting his growth.
Issue is that Unshattered explicitly slows down our growth, which includes removing To Shatter Heaven:
[ ] To Shatter Heaven - An additional exertion by the Accursed will modify the Remittance for superior intuitive compatibility with the Cursebearer, increasing rate of advancement for Skills pertinent to the Remittance by 400%. Conceptual limits of the Remittance can be broken with sufficient training.
400% Growth and ability to break conceptual limits to Accretion is rather massive.
 
Issue is that Unshattered explicitly slows down our growth, which includes removing To Shatter Heaven:

400% Growth and ability to break conceptual limits to Accretion is rather massive.

On the other hand, Accretion is one of the magic systems with the fewest limits to break!

Yeah but how much harder is it to pilot a mech with 1 arm and 1 eye? Think of all the causalities from firing the super duper missile with that depth perception! We'd need a lot of Heartlessness to go with Shattered in that case.

It doesn't matter as much as you'd think with a high enough Rank...
 
[X] Nightmare Praetor - Planning and preparation are the keys to victory. Not because things will go to plan, but because greater experience wins the day, and improvisation is merely the accelerated form of preparation.
Synergy: As Planned - Competence bonus to creating and adjusting schemes.

You know I have to take that bond bonus for Nully
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Wolfy on May 22, 2020 at 6:24 AM, finished with 127 posts and 46 votes.
 
If you guys like Gisena a lot and would like to increase her power, there's objectively no better choice than Unshattered! Accretion Rank of such magnitude as this would have a much better chance of inducing some form of Sorcerous Evolution than even a King of Thieves!
 
If you guys like Gisena a lot and would like to increase her power, there's objectively no better choice than Unshattered! Accretion Rank of such magnitude as this would have a much better chance of inducing some form of Sorcerous Evolution than even a King of Thieves!
sorry bro, Gardens quest makes me scared to skip the early game
 
If you guys like Gisena a lot and would like to increase her power, there's objectively no better choice than Unshattered! Accretion Rank of such magnitude as this would have a much better chance of inducing some form of Sorcerous Evolution than even a King of Thieves!
R-Rihaku, you can't do that right away! We need to get to know her, take her out a couple of times, meet her parents and only then we can work on inducing Sorcerours Evolution!
I see your signature. I know what you're doing. It won't work!

Our body may be spoiled, our mind impure, but our faith remains unbroken.
Foolish hero, do you take me for a comicbook villain? I wouldn't have told you about my plan if you had any chance to stop it.

I voted Gisena in as our waifu two updates ago!
 
[X] Nightmare Praetor

This gives me my number one favorite reward, competence. The sheer might we'd have on hand is indeed tremendously useful, but the ability to wield that might effectively is even more important, and the only vote option that can challenge that fucks our growth and leaves us a permanent cripple.

@BrainInAJar I agree with your vote and don't worry, I'll let you know when I want to call in the marker.
 
Foolish hero, do you take me for a comicbook villain? I wouldn't have told you about my plan if you had any chance to stop it.

I voted Gisena in as our waifu two updates ago!
True love isn't bought, it comes prepackaged with a tragic backstory! I won't acknowledge this kind of wishy-washy candidate before she throws herself in front of a fatal strike for us at least once.
 
To be clear, Unshattered really doesn't reduce your total growth by that much, especially in the long term when you have powers beyond Accretion. You're basically only losing the ability to go from "High Expert" to "Master+" in Accretion at a faster rate, and some theoretical high end effects that other systems can certainly eventually replicate. And the loss of your eye and limb are pretty much just cosmetic in even the medium term if you put in a modicum of effort.

A small price to pay for safety and the power to seize the day! What if there's another cool magic system you encounter but are unable to focus on it because you have to spend your resources on Accretion!?
 
Unshattered gets us to 3/4 of out previous peak, sure. But the hero is less than thirty years old. So he must have gotten to his previous peak in <15 years, and that's without Cursebearer growth rates.

Though there is a question of whether being an isekai hero lead to some behind-the-scenes fate shenanigans to boost his growth.
 
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To be clear, Unshattered really doesn't reduce your total growth by that much, especially in the long term when you have powers beyond Accretion. You're basically only losing the ability to go from "High Expert" to "Master+" in Accretion at a faster rate, and some theoretical high end effects that other systems can certainly eventually replicate. And the loss of your eye and limb are pretty much just cosmetic in even the medium term if you put in a modicum of effort.

A small price to pay for safety and the power to seize the day! What if there's another cool magic system you encounter but are unable to focus on it because you have to spend your resources on Accretion!?
Losing advancement speed sucks, though. Power compounds power, but by the same token advancement compounds advancement. Better rewards from Hunger mean more power which translates to better kills means better rewards etc.

Lets talk hypothetical. Lets make following assumptions:

1) We know we lose 400% advancement speed from To Shatter Heaven, and additional unknown amount from Accretion. Let's say that's total of 500% advancement speed, because that's an easy number to use
2) Let's say that our current power level is 10, and that Unbroken puts us at 100 000.
3) Let's say that each Hunger proc doubles our powerlevel base

After four Hunger procs:
Now: 10*2*5 > 100*2*5 > 1000*2*5 > 10000*2*5 > 100000
Unshattered: 100000*2 > 200000*2 > 400000*2 > 800000*2 > 1600000

Power compounds upon power and thus Unshattered had far greater absolute growth; and yet it's relative growth is virtually insignificant compared to what we have right now. It does heal us mentally, it does help us level up Gisena and it is safe, but it costs us our exponential growth. Those 400% matter a lot due to how Hunger works.

Ultimately, Unshattered shifts risk from now to later; however, I don't feel the need to mitigate risk now, and would rather deal with moderate to high risk now rather than dealing with more risk later on.
 
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