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A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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It's called salt-summoning stance, noob!
DkArthas
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I have never been opposed to getting EFB. What I have been opposed to is trying to get them while we are lacking in safety. The way I see it.
If we fail to get 8 arete:
- Failed negotiation + Avecarn = Lot of Arete spent on Stances to survive. Probably what SORD bros want.
- Failed negotiation + Gondar = Probably another complication at least/Arete spent on Magic Defeating Stance to negate his soul evocations.
- Selune = Guaranteed successful inflitration with everything that entails, potentially another ally, safety enough to save for an EFB before we make our move.
Ofc, it's entirely possible we can make the negotiation work with Avecarn, but I consider our chances to be low unless we have an good plan.
If we fail to get 8 arete:
- Failed negotiation + Avecarn = Lot of Arete spent on Stances to survive. Probably what SORD bros want.
- Failed negotiation + Gondar = Probably another complication at least/Arete spent on Magic Defeating Stance to negate his soul evocations.
- Selune = Guaranteed successful inflitration with everything that entails, potentially another ally, safety enough to save for an EFB before we make our move.
Ofc, it's entirely possible we can make the negotiation work with Avecarn, but I consider our chances to be low unless we have an good plan.
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Pull the other one.
But seriously, I'm not sure how you can say that when we have basically an ideal opportunity to get one and employ it... and you're arguing we should spend 4 arete and pray we don't run into another councillor that isn't absolutely incompetent at their job.
Getting inside is only half the battle, particularly when the person getting us inside has been incredibly loud about the fact they are getting us inside.
I'm not really sure why you are assuming it's all sunshine, roses, and safety for a mere 4 arete. I'm sure it's safer than the other options pre-second-EFB but after I'm not nearly so sure.
Which makes it a bit annoying no one has commented on the validity of the approach I suggested earlier. I'm not particularly poetic, here, but the idea is pretty simple.
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If Selune's actions aren't something that are either in the standard remit of councilors to be able to do or something she feels she can get away with do to her superhuman manipulation skills, then I think we are liable to find quite a number of incompetent councilors. After all, they'd be the one's to have allowed her the power to bring Hunger past the Inner Temple's defenses and into their civilization anyway.
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DkArthas
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I have no idea how you can call it an ideal opportunity when we are most likely going to be in an battle soon. Ideal opportunity for EFB saving requires relative safety. And, no I am not going to just hope that we can somehow get 8 arete in 1-2 updates.
As for the councilman part, we can simply decide to chill out outside the Inner Temple, if you are so worried.
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It notes she pulled a large number of favors, etc to get herself assigned to the job. So... it wouldn't surprise me if someone is watching over her shoulder to make sure the idiot noble who insisted on taking a job over her head doesn't screw it up.
It isn't hoping. We've done it more than 4 times.
My actual expectation is that she's got someone trailing her to make sure she doesn't flub things completely, sent by at least one of the people she pulled strings with to get the assignment. Either because they wanted to know why, as yet another layer of safety, or because they think she's an idiot and going to drop the ball horribly.
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DkArthas
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She didn't pull large amount of favour, I figure she just used her superhuman manipulation and politics skill to get herself assigned to the task.
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What do you think pulling strings is?
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Right, she pulled in a lot of favors to gain this job, which involves a insane amount of lateral ability to basically bring someone like Hunger beyond any security checks and such with little fuss. So either the favors she's attained were literally via blackmail due to her superhuman manipulator status in which case she has leverage in this scenario, the council are completely incompetent to let her get that far on the basis of favors alone, or maybe this is just something she knows she can get away with doing without it falling apart at a inevitable swift breeze.
If her planning is really as poor as you're making it out to be and she has the power to carry it out up until we run into another councilor, then that doesn't fill me with respect for the rest of her peers.
Plus, it's a option Rihaku put up costing us Arete to even choose. If running into her is a unmitigated disaster towards any plans of infiltration rather then a boon to it like you're presenting it as, that'd be just a little out of character for the guy.
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Oh, I'm sure it will go fine for a couple updates. I just very much doubt it is the longer-term safety DkArthas seems to think it is.
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If your Arete gain calculations are anything to go buy, that's as long as we need it too. By then we'll either have Silverlight and are now much better suited to actually meanuvering around social problem, or can take advantage of the Ring's ennoblements to start bribing people.
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Said calculations are assuming sustained effort at gaining an EFB. Which... well, I don't think we can actually manage for more than a couple updates without serious motivation. And all I'm getting here are a bunch of naysayers, so I've lost all mine.
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I mean, if anyone wants to be Optimistic.
On the unlikely chance that we can get both Crimson Flare and Long Lost Cousin...wouldn't that bring about some real good shit? We've got the ear of a Noblewoman who probably has her own faction within the Inners. We boost everyone in her faction to bullshit levels via Crimson Flare. Puts us in a position that allows us to have a sort of bunch of elite fighters on our side, as well as the Ring.
Even if we collapse the temple, why should the Noblewoman care? She's got her own minions beefed up, a guy that can boost even more people, and free reign to do what the fuck she wants if the other Nobles end up dead in a ditch or inside Hunger's experience bar.
Oof. Typing this out hurts. That level of optimism is abhorrently unfamiliar to me.
On the unlikely chance that we can get both Crimson Flare and Long Lost Cousin...wouldn't that bring about some real good shit? We've got the ear of a Noblewoman who probably has her own faction within the Inners. We boost everyone in her faction to bullshit levels via Crimson Flare. Puts us in a position that allows us to have a sort of bunch of elite fighters on our side, as well as the Ring.
Even if we collapse the temple, why should the Noblewoman care? She's got her own minions beefed up, a guy that can boost even more people, and free reign to do what the fuck she wants if the other Nobles end up dead in a ditch or inside Hunger's experience bar.
Oof. Typing this out hurts. That level of optimism is abhorrently unfamiliar to me.
Only for Cursebearers, everyone else gets the normal Collecting version.It's called salt-summoning stance, noob!
Since the part where their divining rituals aren't working right on us is probably true either way, they might have let her go out front hoping she'll die in the process. Either the young buck proves her worth by bringing a high-end R-Type into the fold, or she dies and they get to sit and be smug and autocratic about it. My conjecture is whoever (one or more) exiled the Amarlt family has schemes running that don't include houses with outside sympathies.
DkArthas
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No one is fucking talking about long term safety. It's short-medium term safety to figure out the weak points of her civilization, the assets they have, to subvert them etc. And minimize the chances that we will get into an fight we are not ready for in the next few updates.
If 8 arete in two update is as easy as you say. Why can't we easily get 12 arete in 4-5 or more updates and in relatively more safety beside.
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We can, given that's how we ended up with this much to begin with. But clearly this is the "keep spending the arete for immediate safety!" group gaining dominance, so the chances of this happening are nonexistent. And it at the very least suppresses my desire to bother trying. On which note I'm going to bed.
DkArthas
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Except the safety group is only doing it because we keep throwing ourself into situations which require more immediate power or lateral Increase in capabilities. If we are in an position where the chances of getting into an battle against stronger foes is relatively low, than I will be all for saving for Crimson Flare and so will the Not Dying gang I suspect.
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In fairness here, while I'm voting on it because I'd like to see Rihaku write about Selune mainly, it's meant to be a investment in not having to flashbuy a bunch of even more costly stances and set us even further back. The rationale is supposed to be a small investment of arete we can make back easily so we don't end up getting baited into spending far more in the immediate future.
I'm sorry to hear this is getting you down though, and I'll say i'll be fairly happy if the other two options win as well.
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We literally have a weaker foe as an option this update. He's just annoying in the sense it isn't perfectly safe.
That logic leads to us never getting anywhere as we keep up the minor spending. It's exactly the thing I keep warning about and fighting so hard. I am... more than a little pissed the only time it seems to have worked was with Cut Through.
Yes, we need (relative) safety. We can get it with the EFB. Therefore, we should be trying to get the EFB, as it is within reach, with effort.
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Yes, that is one of the things I was hoping Rihaku would answer. 7 rank in Blood is a massive boost, so it should improve how effective the healing is, including removing conditions it currently cannot.
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I mean, despite making minor arete purchases, including a 7 arete element post Cut Through despite not having any real notable fights that lead to Arete surges since, we've managed to get pretty close to the goal so far. It seems to definitely be leading somewhere other then minor spending. You've been adamantly arguing we're just ignoring one small 4 arete purchase away from getting a EFB.
Well yeah, but he's also the one who from my point of view seems the hardest to actually convince into helping us infiltrate because of his well earned hatred of us for killing one of the dearest people in his life, to the point where he's gone out of the temple to hunt us down.
My read on the vote options here were that the first one is a easier fight, especially now that we have the stealth merc with long range range firepower+Edeldross making ranged fights easier on us, the second is a harder fight with a person who seems more inclined to hear us out, or the third option of spending 4 arete on a relatively powerful political ally whose well disposed to liking us already both due to Lord Hunger's personality and our ties to her cousin that greatly increases our successful infiltration chances.
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