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Last vote: we'll get an EFB soon, no way Shadowlord is comparable to that.
This vote: Let's pay more than half its cost for a safety option, which together with Edeldross Adept costs nearly as much.

That was a quick turnaround.
It's mostly not the same people. This quest have several factions, and while I am very loud I am but one person. I'm willing to adjust the EFB order to get this new Ring one first, if we must to survive, but I still want to aim for it immediately. Hence why I'm noting we can, in fact, reach it if we get, oh, 50 thousand words or so.
 
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[X] High Marshall Avecarn
[X] Evening Sky: Silver of Evening - 25 Arete (1 pick)


Actually I've convinced myself, doubling our stat buff from Edeldross is stupidly good on top of doubling our base agility and charisma. Our base agility would go from 30 to 60 and our charisma would go from 7 to 14. We then benefit from a flat 60% boost to all stats at all times making our base stats look like this:
  • Charisma: 14 base 22.4 buff base
  • Intelligence: 4 base 6.4 buff base
  • Wits: 7 base 11.2 buff base
  • Protection: 2 base 3.2 buff base
  • Agility: 60 base 96 buff base
  • Strength: 37 base 59.2 buff base
  • Constitution: 33 base 52.8 buff base
  • Willpower: 7 base 11.2 buff base
  • Manipulation: 2 base 3.2 buff base
This is an absolutely ridiculous increase even before factoring in the short bursts of 90% to all stats we can reach or the way willpower stacks on top of might and agility. This would bring our agi over 100! That's a crazy power boost!

On top of the ludicrous stat gains we also get +1 defensive rank and a perfect defense once a month. Given our defense is currently one of our weaknesses being able to just straight up NOPE our way out of a lethal attack once a month is invaluable.
 
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People were simply too greedy that they weren't willing to take Shadowlord for the safer path. The same thing is happening here. Except Selene is the safer route.

We are essentially spending arete to successfully infiltrate, which comes with shit ton of benefits and for safety.
 
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People were simply too greedy that they weren't willing to take Shadowlord for the safer path. The same thing is happening here. Selene is the safer route.

We are essentially spending arete to successfully infiltrate, which comes with shit ton of benefits and not die.
She's the safer path until we run into another council member that isn't so... niave.

I will say, though, that if you are going to be spending Arete at this juncture you should be trying to help earn it back.
 
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Just take Silver of Evening and raise our charisma to be double Gisena's near memetic hazard levels! Then we don't have to worry about failing social!
 
Just take Silver of Evening and raise our charisma to be double Gisena's near memetic hazard levels! Then we don't have to worry about failing social!
And that is relevant to the current situation how? It's nice to have super-stats, but we can't actually buy that without 25 arete and a pick. While we can force the arete through desperate action we can't force a pick into existence.
 
She's the safer path until we run into another council member that isn't so... niave.
Perhaps, but the hardest obstacle here is the introduction, once we are past that, our strenght means that the Moon Civilization would be perfectly willing to hire us to take Vanrier's place. So I don't think we need to worry that much.

Edit: They wouldn't have much reason to be suspicious, especially with an social focused Council member vouching for us.
 
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Perhaps, but the hardest obstacle here is the introduction, once we are past that, our strenght means that the Moon Civilization would be perfectly willing to hire us to take Vanrier's place. So I don't think we need to worry that much.
Only so long as they believe we are actually on their side. And frankly if we come in with Gondar or the High Marshall we'd be good on that front. Selune, on the other hand, I suspect the council isn't nearly so stupid they would trust her judgement when she isn't actively trying.
 
Read the edit please, I sent it too soon.
Rihaku said earlier it wasn't too hard to grab a pick if necessary, we still haven't traveled back to the temple for instance so there could easily be an opportunity to grab a single pick on the way back. As for 25 arete we're pretty close to that at the moment and taking Crimson Flare or snap buying the stance EFB requires the same amount anyway.
 
There's also the problem of pushing Pillars (ES-EFB) even further if we do get Silver (ES-EFB), because we're all (i think at least) pretty dead set on the 3 Piece Special Advancement.

So it'll be Silver/Crimson -> Crimson/Silver -> Ruling -> Pillars or some such. Not to mention all the other potential expenditures.
 
Only so long as they believe we are actually on their side. And frankly if we come in with Gondar or the High Marshall we'd be good on that front. Selune, on the other hand, I suspect the council isn't nearly so stupid they would trust her judgement when she isn't actively trying.
How would they know that she hadn't checked us with her Bullshit? I think they will assume she had, they wouldn't expect her to be so careless I think.

Inner temple residents have grown increasingly complacent from the look of it.
 
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Rihaku said earlier it wasn't too hard to grab a pick if necessary, we still haven't traveled back to the temple for instance so there could easily be an opportunity to grab a single pick on the way back. As for 25 arete we're pretty close to that at the moment and taking Crimson Flare or snap buying the stance EFB requires the same amount anyway.
Not this update he hasn't. I just checked all of his posts.

Also, you do realize that if we get Silver that completely eliminates the chance we're getting a mage EFB via Evening Sky any time soon, right?

How would they know that she hadn't checked us with her Bullshit? I think they will assume she had, they wouldn't expect her to be so careless.
Because she's a naive child that only bothers some of the time? And will probably be giddily talking about her cousin?
 
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Not this update he hasn't. I just checked all of his posts.
I think Silver of Evening is somewhat being overlooked due to the convenience of Crimson Flare, but 1 pick is not a very onerous requirement and the power it offers is very synergistic with your build. Consider that Super Juggernaut Undead Chimera gives a total of +500% distributed among 5 stats, whereas this grants +30% to all stats (~360%) and +200% distributed to Agility and Charisma. What's more, it grants an even greater bonus the further you develop your Edeldross magnitude! That +30% might become +50% or +70% one day, which means it would give you an almost unprecedented level of value!

+Defensive Rank is great as well, and situational Tyrant mitigation can get you out of a lot of pinches, to say nothing of the perfect defense's value against ultimate attacks. Crimson Flare is decent with your build too, but given how stats-heavy you are Silver of Evening is incredible.
Not very onerous seems to imply we wouldn't have too much of a problem grabbing a single pick if we needed one.
 
I dislike combat stats as means of long term investment. The speed at which they scale is just way too slow. Right now we are at like Mach 20 and ~hill destroying power, which puts us at about Cultivation level 3. How much we need for continent sundering lighting speed kind of stuff? A lot, and I don't find that especially impressive in light of interstellar combat either. Especially since Rank 10 Armaments trump infinite speed and strength anyway.

In comparison, if we pursue Rank, we will hit Rank 10 combat relatively quickly if we SAVE and get Trinity. I don't think that stats really compare.
 
I dislike combat stats as means of long term investment. The speed at which they scale is just way too slow. Right now we are at like Mach 20 and ~hill destroying power, which puts us at about Cultivation level 3. How much we need for continent sundering lighting speed kind of stuff? A lot, and I don't find that especially impressive in light of interstellar combat either. Especially since Rank 10 Armaments trump infinite speed and strength anyway.

In comparison, if we pursue Rank, we will hit Rank 10 combat relatively quickly if we SAVE and get Trinity. I don't think that stats really compare.
Rank grows hyperexponentially. It also gets harder to gain in the same manner. You're putting decades of rank gain on par with less than a month of stat gains to make a rather... distorted point.
 
Never read implications into his posts. If he does not flat out state it you are making a dangerous assumption.

He keeps catching me when I do the same.

And his posts appear meant to cause it.
Not very onerous is a pretty straightforward statement. I don't think we're likely to pick up Total Eclipse anytime soon anyway given it's a pure potential EFB so we're not going to pick it up in the temple and people are going to want to grab pillars afterwards. I'm happy with taking the pick that incentivizes Edeldross development since it's almost as good. It also lets us buff Gisena's stats by 60% as well and since she just upgraded them all to at least the high teens she'll get a fair bit of value out of that.
 
Not this update he hasn't. I just checked all of his posts.

Also, you do realize that if we get Silver that completely eliminates the chance we're getting a mage EFB via Evening Sky any time soon, right?


Because she's a naive child that only bothers some of the time? And will probably be giddily talking about her cousin?
She may be pretty careless but she still has superhuman social instincts, manipulation and perhaps politicking skills. I suspect a lot of the council members are complacent like her.
 
Not very onerous is a pretty straightforward statement.
It is. It also has nothing to do with what you want it to.

What you are reading is "We can get picks without making any choices that would let us get picks because we really need a pick right now."

What I'm reading is "1 pick isn't very much since you get at least that much a day, when trying, normally."
 
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Rank grows hyperexponentially. It also gets harder to gain in the same manner. You're putting decades of rank gain on par with less than a month of stat gains to make a rather... distorted point.
Which is why Flare is very good - it gets us scaling Rank and it gives us Rank towards Trinity prerequisite, which would allow us to hit Rank 10 with our blood magic extremely fast.

Then you get Once and Future for Rank 10.2 Combat/Rank 11 blood magic because that's how you scale.
 
Just tossing my 2 cents on the 4 Arete Option.

I know we're paying through the nose for this, and that it's supposed to be beneficial to us given we have to pay for it but uh.

It's always been a popular narrative tool (I think) that dumb/naïve/careless/young characters tend to be scarier/more dangerous than the others. Even if everyone around her has grown complacent and shit, it doesn't change the fact that she's still there. Even more so with her in-quest narrative that she gives zero fucks about stuffy stuff.
 
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