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We can get Crimson Flare and the Trinity, and then only after that finish the Ruling Ring, thereby being in an excellent position for the Contest of Primacy
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Rihaku
The Internet
You can already buy that by taking Preeminence twice!
Do you think a Ring of Power is so easily mastered in all respects? Consider how many EFB-equivalents it takes to simply master one aspect of the Forebear's Blade!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
It's very powerful. Rank 7 debuffs when your enemies are Rank 5 are spectacularly potent. It grants only modestly less combat power than Once and Future in exchange for substantially more utility. Possibly even more overall power than One and Future, given the +.7 Rank it also currently grants.
You guys should collectively have at least 16.5 Arete, probably a bit more.
Avecarn: What are your intentions towards the Moon Ring?
Hunger: I want to put a fish on it.
Avecarn: ...
battle starts
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
100% agree with this plan.
Crimson Flare is the best of Once and Future and Ruling Ring!
It's a power slanted EFB (with some utility) that can be snap bought and fulfills the requirements of Trinity!
TwistedJester
Tired Lurker King
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Fair point, though I'll expect the Ruling Ring gang would be opposed to it as a bunch of people including myself are gung ho about primacy not being that big of a deal.
@Rihaku the Tempt Threadmark is still up. 
Is Selune actually meeting Letrizia? That is to say: is Letrizia going to be brought into the Temple with us, or Selune met outside or brought outside of the Temple where she would then run into Hunger's whole party?
Because if Letrizia and Selune is in the same room, then... Well, that "superhuman social instincts will ferret out deception instantly" thing? Well, I'm kind of predicting that Letrizia is not superhumanly good at being able to hide what we're up to.
That is, I'm worried that Letrizia would give away the game about our "fake turncoat" plan. Unless Hunger was not planning on telling Letrizia about the fake part of his plan, leaving her thinking that Hunger's genuine about this.
On the other hand of course if Selune is only meeting Hunger and Gisena, and not Letrizia, then this is less of a concern, so.
Hm, okay, so... This says that Selune is very excited to meet Letrizia.
Is Selune actually meeting Letrizia? That is to say: is Letrizia going to be brought into the Temple with us, or Selune met outside or brought outside of the Temple where she would then run into Hunger's whole party?
Because if Letrizia and Selune is in the same room, then... Well, that "superhuman social instincts will ferret out deception instantly" thing? Well, I'm kind of predicting that Letrizia is not superhumanly good at being able to hide what we're up to.
That is, I'm worried that Letrizia would give away the game about our "fake turncoat" plan. Unless Hunger was not planning on telling Letrizia about the fake part of his plan, leaving her thinking that Hunger's genuine about this.
On the other hand of course if Selune is only meeting Hunger and Gisena, and not Letrizia, then this is less of a concern, so.
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[X] Gondar Hrsillimas
[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare - 25 Arete. (0 picks, but requires Chief Dominion)
I just can't stomach the other two picks for the person assigned to deal with us.
Crimson Flare is a super cool and much safer way to awaken more of the power of our Ring, and retains the blood-focused functionality, which gives a considerable rebate.
[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare - 25 Arete. (0 picks, but requires Chief Dominion)
I just can't stomach the other two picks for the person assigned to deal with us.
Crimson Flare is a super cool and much safer way to awaken more of the power of our Ring, and retains the blood-focused functionality, which gives a considerable rebate.
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Does defensive rank help in social combat? Probably not very relevant, but I'm curious. Also, is the defensive rank only against esoteric effects, or it's literally a +rank in all forms of defense? Does it stay over our rank, like Once And Future?
Anyway, people shouldn't underestimate Sliver. It increases effective combat agility and charisma by 145%, and we could simply use the esoteric defense to mitigate the Apocryphal Curse by 2 steps.
Anyway, people shouldn't underestimate Sliver. It increases effective combat agility and charisma by 145%, and we could simply use the esoteric defense to mitigate the Apocryphal Curse by 2 steps.
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While not planning to choose her myself, I suspect she could be convinced by her cousin that she should defect rather easily.
OctarineShrike
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I have no idea who I want our first contact to be.
[x] Evening Sky: Silver of Evening
[x] Evening Sky: Silver of Evening
[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare
[X] Gondar Hrsillimas
I think we should lock in Crimson Flare for now. It increases our Rank and also mitigates the downsides of initiating the contest of primacy while improving the versatility of the Ring of Blood when we rescue the Azure Ring. I'm still aiming for the Special Advancement for an EFB in each Artifact and Ruling Ring remains my preference but we could spend 1 Arete here to give us some flexibility and have a power EFB option that's not derived from the Forebear's Blade as some of the thread have expressed disinterest in going for more Blade-related EFBs.
Crimson Flare is also a pretty powerful Rank boost that we can employ immediately in combat because it's zero picks, so if we're faced with an overwhelming opponent we could pick up either this, Once and Future, All-Defeating Stance or Foe-Defeating Stance if we need to. This unlocks more Ring options in the future so I don't think it's a bad deal. I'm still keen on rushing Ruling Ring though, because I don't think the contest of primacy has such severe issues that we'll instantly die upon taking it up and I want the increased Progression speed greatly but if the contest's difficulties seem extreme enough, Crimson Flare is a decent way of mitigating those issues. Shame that its effect isn't as powerful as the ability to Act as Truth its predecessor - the Azure Flare - offered in Even Further Beyond, but perhaps that's just a coincidence in naming or that effect is possible if we develop the Ring of Blood's power in time.
Sliver of Evening is very underwhelming since most of its value seems to be locked into Curse mitigation and my preferences for Evening Sky EFBs remains unchanged: Total Eclipse > Pillars of Creation > Sliver of Evening now.
I'm tentatively voting for Crimson Flare but as a member of SAVE Gang, I'm pretty willing to pivot to None but I'd like the thread to have a bit more of discussion on Crimson Flare first.
[X] Gondar Hrsillimas
I think we should lock in Crimson Flare for now. It increases our Rank and also mitigates the downsides of initiating the contest of primacy while improving the versatility of the Ring of Blood when we rescue the Azure Ring. I'm still aiming for the Special Advancement for an EFB in each Artifact and Ruling Ring remains my preference but we could spend 1 Arete here to give us some flexibility and have a power EFB option that's not derived from the Forebear's Blade as some of the thread have expressed disinterest in going for more Blade-related EFBs.
Crimson Flare is also a pretty powerful Rank boost that we can employ immediately in combat because it's zero picks, so if we're faced with an overwhelming opponent we could pick up either this, Once and Future, All-Defeating Stance or Foe-Defeating Stance if we need to. This unlocks more Ring options in the future so I don't think it's a bad deal. I'm still keen on rushing Ruling Ring though, because I don't think the contest of primacy has such severe issues that we'll instantly die upon taking it up and I want the increased Progression speed greatly but if the contest's difficulties seem extreme enough, Crimson Flare is a decent way of mitigating those issues. Shame that its effect isn't as powerful as the ability to Act as Truth its predecessor - the Azure Flare - offered in Even Further Beyond, but perhaps that's just a coincidence in naming or that effect is possible if we develop the Ring of Blood's power in time.
Sliver of Evening is very underwhelming since most of its value seems to be locked into Curse mitigation and my preferences for Evening Sky EFBs remains unchanged: Total Eclipse > Pillars of Creation > Sliver of Evening now.
I'm tentatively voting for Crimson Flare but as a member of SAVE Gang, I'm pretty willing to pivot to None but I'd like the thread to have a bit more of discussion on Crimson Flare first.
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But only for a single day and night a month. We get 7 with Apocryphal smacked down to 1/3 power with Pillars.
[X] Selune vi Tries [Cost: 4 Arete]
[X] None
Neither of these seem particularly appealing, maybe when we've actually redeemed the first such investment we've stuffed in the freezer I'll be more interested in making another. Until then, plenty of other EFBs in the sea.
Selune seems like a real hand of mercy extended out salvaging the social infiltration plan. The other option being pick Gondor->kill him for picks-> hope the timeline is good-> take pillars-> storm the temple. Seems quite a bit more uncertain.
[X] None
Neither of these seem particularly appealing, maybe when we've actually redeemed the first such investment we've stuffed in the freezer I'll be more interested in making another. Until then, plenty of other EFBs in the sea.
Selune seems like a real hand of mercy extended out salvaging the social infiltration plan. The other option being pick Gondor->kill him for picks-> hope the timeline is good-> take pillars-> storm the temple. Seems quite a bit more uncertain.
We can mitigate it only once a month and for a day. Pillars is better suited because once a month you can really intensify your training regime and actually come out on top of the Apocryphal Curse power curve. The Sliver option is just delaying the inevitable and one day is not enough if you cannot find worthy opponents or gathar picks.
EDIT: damn ninjas
TwistedJester
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[X] Gondar Hrsillimas
Selune will actually make me feel bad while the higher Rank detection skills also gives me a bad vibe.
Selune will actually make me feel bad while the higher Rank detection skills also gives me a bad vibe.
Huh, that'd be an amusing turn around. Deciding to ditch the Temple and go to the Human Sphere.
On the other hand -- her Soul Evocation is "Lunar." I kind of suspect that she prrrrrobably gets a tiny bit of a boost or bonus from being in the Temple of the False Moon. I mean, it just seems to make sense, you know?
Though, now I'm wondering what she'd be like with the Moon Ring...
Rihaku
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It is amazing, but Silver of Evening is incredibly potent as well... just think of the STATS you would gain, atop situational Tyrant mitigation and the ability to use a perfect defense! The latter especially is well-suited to Hunger...
It's not impossible for you to lie to Avecarn, he's not a social spec and you can create tactics to distract him or occupy his attention. Also, he just isn't trying very hard in the first place, if unprovoked.
Selune doesn't actively use her Soul Evocation for such things unless she has reason to suspect in the first place.
Defensive Rank stops people from doing bad things to you with their Pressure, but doesn't stop them from using their Pressure to help themselves. So yes, it would help indirectly in social combat.
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Socially defeating Gondar should still give picks. So any victory with that option should work.
If she's joining the party she gets our ring boosts!
[X] Gondar Hrsillimas
[X] None
Neither of these 25-Arete Advancements seem terribly interesting to me. We should avoid splitting our focus further and depleting our Arete stockpile with down payments on more EFB-alikes. Total Eclipse and Once and Future are both available at 24 Arete. We can purchase the latter at any spending point; since Hot Springs won, the same's true of Pillars of Creation though it's undiscounted. And then there's Ruling Ring, only 18 Arete and four picks away, tantalizingly close and eminently achievable, as Cut Through's acquisition proves.
So with all that in mind, why would we set our eyes on some new prize or spend 4 Arete to unlock a favorable point of contact with the Temple? Stay strong, save gang. Even the smallest expenditures of Arete add up.
[X] None
Neither of these 25-Arete Advancements seem terribly interesting to me. We should avoid splitting our focus further and depleting our Arete stockpile with down payments on more EFB-alikes. Total Eclipse and Once and Future are both available at 24 Arete. We can purchase the latter at any spending point; since Hot Springs won, the same's true of Pillars of Creation though it's undiscounted. And then there's Ruling Ring, only 18 Arete and four picks away, tantalizingly close and eminently achievable, as Cut Through's acquisition proves.
So with all that in mind, why would we set our eyes on some new prize or spend 4 Arete to unlock a favorable point of contact with the Temple? Stay strong, save gang. Even the smallest expenditures of Arete add up.
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Fair, but kind of redundant. I mean, I kind of doubt that we would need the Apocryphal reduction inside the pillars?
Sure, but if the point is to get pillars to become buff enough to just kill our way through there seems little point in going through the charade.
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I don't think it's wise to view that as our only strategy.
TwistedJester
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We can take Gondar, and simply force him to take our message of deception if it comes down to it. His attacks may be more varied but they're sure as hell not gonna kill us before we close the distance.