LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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Clearly I was way to optimistic about how difficult it is to escape from people on our level.
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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Maybe once you reach a certain rank you just automatically gain a dimensional anchor effect that stops people escaping you?
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
We might get some kind of [Truestrike] or [Heavy Counter] analog that makes it difficult for enemies to escape, or maybe even attack them across all universes!
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DarkSideBard
Flying, without moving on
More like you reach such a high level of reality-warping ability that you pick fights with people by altering their destinies to include fights with you.
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I hope that people will consider switching to Technological Solutions in favor of Study the Blade, even though the blade has a meme-ier name.
Compare: Technological Solutions
Relationship plusses are their own reward, but in particular we've found a new thing that makes Gisena smile and I'm really interested in getting wordcount invested into Technophile Gisena. Letrizia relationship boost seems to be the way to move forward on Lore for the main quest, too. Helping the Robot be a happier murderous sky-scraper is also neat.
Gisena should have a gun.
vs. Studying the Blade
However, we don't really need an immediate pick this turn! We have gotten a pick from nearly every time we traveled casually through the Temple or through the Voyaging Realm. So the purchase point for Cut Through isn't delayed measurably by handling our business at the hot springs first. More importantly, we are in a better position to take an important fight (or earn a participation reward) after recovering from 1-2 complications. Imagine healing up all the way and then taking a 3-pick fight: Ruinous Strength + Cut Through in the same update!
Most importantly: None of the options that are in the running have measurable Tyrant Proc Risks. Why are we going hunting for goodwill without any plan to capitalize on the public relations boost?
Compare: Technological Solutions
Enhancing combat capacity without increasing rank has a major influence on the difficulty of fights while traveling. Encounter strength is pegged to Rank, so improving firepower without attracting stronger enemies will help us avoid the painful scaling enemies we've handled so far. This is an important feature because we've skipped both the Magus and the Rank 5+ upgrade for Versch. Our travel speed back to the Temple is the slowest possible level of any build option.
Relationship plusses are their own reward, but in particular we've found a new thing that makes Gisena smile and I'm really interested in getting wordcount invested into Technophile Gisena. Letrizia relationship boost seems to be the way to move forward on Lore for the main quest, too. Helping the Robot be a happier murderous sky-scraper is also neat.
Gisena should have a gun.
vs. Studying the Blade
From what I've seen of the thread, there's either no consensus about which specific type we should target, or it's an elevated breed of rotspawn which increases the risk of a major complication.
However, we don't really need an immediate pick this turn! We have gotten a pick from nearly every time we traveled casually through the Temple or through the Voyaging Realm. So the purchase point for Cut Through isn't delayed measurably by handling our business at the hot springs first. More importantly, we are in a better position to take an important fight (or earn a participation reward) after recovering from 1-2 complications. Imagine healing up all the way and then taking a 3-pick fight: Ruinous Strength + Cut Through in the same update!
Most importantly: None of the options that are in the running have measurable Tyrant Proc Risks. Why are we going hunting for goodwill without any plan to capitalize on the public relations boost?
Lealope
Not yet invincible
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Hmm. Ordinalism is bottlenecked by the complexity of their study while Vitalism seems to be primarily bottlenecked by intuition and the difficulty of research. Could the deaths caused by Vitalist knowledge be a result of that universe's interdict of cognition? Because that would prevent recursive self-improvement through just mass producing a shitload of moderately powerful Vitalists and then immediately eating them all, which is exactly what sharing your Edifice seems to allow for. Since if there exists a cheap, mass producible method of producing relevant supernatural creatures for absorption, that seems pretty similar spiritually to an AI unleashing grey goo to turn a planet into computronium or whatever.
I'd be down for a max-cost Accretion advancement in the future. But with our expected Arete needs rising dramatically, we should probably start seriously questioning which things are acceptable sacrifices for extra %s.
Personally I'm willing to sideline the waifus for a few updates, as well as to slow down progression such that Arete expenses stop being prohibitive. At the moment at least three options exist which deeply entice Arete expense: I suggest going for it and then capping the well for several days straight. This is unlikely to happen, but I remain optimistic.
In the present tense, a question: what are Study voters looking forward to from the 1-2 picks we get there? It's not enough for Ruinous Valor and without Bloodwraith the Fierce Quickening and Vigor Itself are sub-optimal. Are you hoping to snag Opalescence and Iridescence for higher synergy with SS1 Ginesa? Exalted Spirit for a better Vertex-crafter Letrizia? Get Dominion: War now and lead a strike-team against the Rotbeast once we heal? C'mon, don't be shy.
Personally I'm willing to sideline the waifus for a few updates, as well as to slow down progression such that Arete expenses stop being prohibitive. At the moment at least three options exist which deeply entice Arete expense: I suggest going for it and then capping the well for several days straight. This is unlikely to happen, but I remain optimistic.
In the present tense, a question: what are Study voters looking forward to from the 1-2 picks we get there? It's not enough for Ruinous Valor and without Bloodwraith the Fierce Quickening and Vigor Itself are sub-optimal. Are you hoping to snag Opalescence and Iridescence for higher synergy with SS1 Ginesa? Exalted Spirit for a better Vertex-crafter Letrizia? Get Dominion: War now and lead a strike-team against the Rotbeast once we heal? C'mon, don't be shy.
I wonder if our Sword Praxis techniques will be vulnerable to Gisena's Nullity at all. So far they seem to be more on the conceptual end, so getting us a tier above that might make us straight-up ignore her dispellation. Not for everything, of course, the rest of our Panoply will still take a hit, but having powerful sword techniques available when everyone else has been normied would be a significant advantage.
Rihaku
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Creating Vitalists and eating them wouldn't result in any additional knowledge if you already have root-level data on the underlying system for areas relevant to you.
Wait, you're telling me Hunger's name was actually an anagram of "Her gun" this whole time!?
It's Geas Mitigation. By the time he's powerful enough to take on the Hidden Ones, he'll probably be able to at least choose the location of his tasks.
Even leaving aside advancement on the ISH, Praxis is known for its reliability - it can work where everything else fails. And leaving aside that, I don't think sword techniques we develop with Cut Through are magic per se, so Gisena would find them hard to nullificate without advancing into concept nullification.
Wow, talk about Vengeance At All Costs.It's not as if the Geas limits your actions to the universe you're in, especially when mitigated! You can cast something from your universe and hit the whole multiverse or even omniverse if you're powerful enough!
Hunger cutting a window to the Adventure universe and stabbing hidden masters through it is a hilarious mental image.It's not as if the Geas limits your actions to the universe you're in, especially when mitigated! You can cast something from your universe and hit the whole multiverse or even omniverse if you're powerful enough!
DarkSideBard
Flying, without moving on
Going by the description of Incident Nullification, her Nullity might as well be conceptual. Resisting it is down to either being shielded from it by association with her (through advancements like Evening Gown), or just a straight competition between our conceptual weight (her Sorcerous findross Nullity vs our Accretion Pressure, both soul-derived abilities iirc).
"The Unsubtle Knife" would be a pretty interesting Geas of Indenture adventure outtake. He'd crunch that setting.
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Our sword techniques (e.g Ruin) are already conceptual atm if I'm not missing my mark. Sword Praxis should elevate us even above that. Exalted Perfect abilities and the like.
Roses are red, violets are blue
You need more arete
It also could be a supporting structure. Versch needs no shackles to hold it like Eva, and is constructed thoroughly biomechanical; although Shroud and Rank are its primary weapons, its armor is most likely serves some purpose even at high ranks.
On another note, Human Sphere has a lot of armaments, and Versch is actually not the strongest armament existing. There are those that are stronger than it, at rank 10. Rihaku recently mentioned that numbers of our enemies are like the stars in the sky... Stuff like that makes me absolutely sure we need to start hastily construct our own Thrice-Great synergy. Praxis is the sword, Ring is versatility, Pillars is utility and resource access. I am not entirely sure about periphery systems.
Even in reduced state it managed to survive landing in the voyaging realm. It was stationed previously where it was for routine maintenance, which means it likely started that fight somewhat weakened too. Sounds like Letrizia is actually a pretty good pilot, which is to be expected honestly.
Only when accessed with proper contextual knowledge, in which Hunger is somewhat lacking. In-story we know very little about Gisena's realm, the Maiden who forged the magical system she and her comrades used, other races, how much exactly respect Gisena commanded or how high along she was in Sorcerous Hierarchy...
Nameless Yong, your junior arrives. Not a fan of nicknames like these to be honest, although in-story reasoning is understandable. Hopefully we'll regain Hunger's name eventually... NYong never really cared, but it would be good for Hunger, I think.
On related note, I wonder if him losing his name is yet another thing arranged by the Hidden Masters. There was a bunch of other things he could have further sacrificed, but somehow he lost his name and not them. Considering that at very least Seasons were the sort of divines
That said, there is that Outer Sorcery EFB that allows us to never die somewhere in that line of upgrades; if we actually had that, perhaps this would have become a lot better than it is. We sure need more Arete... And Pillars of Creation, too. The Tyranny of random picks must go and stay go.
Does not mean that she isn't taking pride in her armament, her deed and her sacrifices, tho. Those are rather closer to her heart from what we saw so far. Well, I'd probably focused on pride in toppling thrones of astral gods and tearing apart singularities in her position, too.
Concrning social bits of this, she was lucky she did not try to order anything. This was a rather dangerous tyrant trigger potential point. Thankfully after this with Gisena and Hunger's own charisma it became more or less smooth sailing.
In other news, leaving versch was really pretty risky, but I guess she just couldn't stay there for long enough. A risk that paid off, anyway. Gisena and Hunger have a lot of potential to improve her lot in life, her decimated life force, the political situation at home, etecetera...
If they all survive Hunger apocryphal curse, of course. We really need to mitigate that curse.
Oh, and Letrz is obviously cute. In other news, evening is dark blue and peppered with stars.
On unrelated note, one of the approx. three moments when Hunger achieved something reminiscent of a social victory over Gisane on camera.
Or, imagine her slamming somewhere in the middle of the Moon Temple Civ. That would have been just terrible. Overall, she really lucked out with her landing point.
Anyway, a lot of signs point toward Voyaging realm being either like Nyong's vault (one of the potential vaults that had actual people inside, anyway) or Kong's overgrowth. I think it likely closer to Kong's overgrowth. The only thing left is to answer where are the people who are running the Voyaging realm, and when/and what is the desired result this place is supposed to achieve, what kind of state it wants to be in.
We are going to enjoy being in Human Sphere, I must say. Cool high-tech is a good change of pace after fantasy more jrpg fantasy, and Hunger thinks that power armors and such are cool.
...Hm. Idk, Armament seems to be a little to important to just leave behind regardless.
Restoration of armament automatically attract stronger enemies though... If making versch stronger makes the trip safer, it means its strength scales faster than strength of the beacon. Which makes sense, really. It would have been long destroyed, otherwise.
The implication that there are Armaments created by someone else are incredibly interesting. And massive. Human Sphere is incapable of creating armaments and other than Astral Lords, we know not of other players in the local space.
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It also could be a supporting structure. Versch needs no shackles to hold it like Eva, and is constructed thoroughly biomechanical; although Shroud and Rank are its primary weapons, its armor is most likely serves some purpose even at high ranks.
Notably, the tyrant at his power level actually managed to negate the influence of destiny in his domain, making sure only natural course of events keeps happening. Somewhere around rank 7 to 8, even. That is informative concerning what sort of achievements and effect one could expect at that Astral Rank.
On another note, Human Sphere has a lot of armaments, and Versch is actually not the strongest armament existing. There are those that are stronger than it, at rank 10. Rihaku recently mentioned that numbers of our enemies are like the stars in the sky... Stuff like that makes me absolutely sure we need to start hastily construct our own Thrice-Great synergy. Praxis is the sword, Ring is versatility, Pillars is utility and resource access. I am not entirely sure about periphery systems.
Even in reduced state it managed to survive landing in the voyaging realm. It was stationed previously where it was for routine maintenance, which means it likely started that fight somewhat weakened too. Sounds like Letrizia is actually a pretty good pilot, which is to be expected honestly.
Only when accessed with proper contextual knowledge, in which Hunger is somewhat lacking. In-story we know very little about Gisena's realm, the Maiden who forged the magical system she and her comrades used, other races, how much exactly respect Gisena commanded or how high along she was in Sorcerous Hierarchy...
Nameless Yong, your junior arrives. Not a fan of nicknames like these to be honest, although in-story reasoning is understandable. Hopefully we'll regain Hunger's name eventually... NYong never really cared, but it would be good for Hunger, I think.
On related note, I wonder if him losing his name is yet another thing arranged by the Hidden Masters. There was a bunch of other things he could have further sacrificed, but somehow he lost his name and not them. Considering that at very least Seasons were the sort of divines
Rather sadly, the pick that provides immortality is rather weak; I expect Hunger to shrug off the need to sleep eventually, as his time really just better spent actually doing things. We progressed so much from the Temple; that sort of pace is hard to match with something like a single +might each month. Exchanging approx a quarter of your action capability for that is such a shit deal.
That said, there is that Outer Sorcery EFB that allows us to never die somewhere in that line of upgrades; if we actually had that, perhaps this would have become a lot better than it is. We sure need more Arete... And Pillars of Creation, too. The Tyranny of random picks must go and stay go.
Hunger tries to be gruff, but isn't all that good at it... Well, when compared to Gisena, at least. Hunger is indeed pretentious sort of a name, but when you have the r of Progression and the name itself serves a particular pragmatic purpose, perhaps it is not so bad. A little chuuni is allowed.
Poor Letrizia. Her social game is just not up to the task of handling Gisena and Hunger. They like her though, so it is generally not much of a problem. And now they are going to get her some magic, too!
Showing first signs of her characters. Letrizia is not actually all that invested in her nobility and appearances of nobility, does not feel them being particularly natural to her, and easily loses the authoritative appearance when taken off-guard.
Does not mean that she isn't taking pride in her armament, her deed and her sacrifices, tho. Those are rather closer to her heart from what we saw so far. Well, I'd probably focused on pride in toppling thrones of astral gods and tearing apart singularities in her position, too.
Concrning social bits of this, she was lucky she did not try to order anything. This was a rather dangerous tyrant trigger potential point. Thankfully after this with Gisena and Hunger's own charisma it became more or less smooth sailing.
Hunger allowed the lording go uncorrected. Probably just him being polite at this point, and not liking friends addressing him as such later.
In other news, leaving versch was really pretty risky, but I guess she just couldn't stay there for long enough. A risk that paid off, anyway. Gisena and Hunger have a lot of potential to improve her lot in life, her decimated life force, the political situation at home, etecetera...
If they all survive Hunger apocryphal curse, of course. We really need to mitigate that curse.
Obvious magitech from the very first appearance. Not even magic leashed by technology, but proper integration and synergy.
Oh, and Letrz is obviously cute. In other news, evening is dark blue and peppered with stars.
Gisena is really keen to enjoy good things in life, such as spoiling precious adopted daughters. And teasing Hunger. And not dying. And making good decisions. And becoming significantly stronger through her techno-arcane interest and hobbies.
Well, you probably could argue that justice only exists on the edge of the sword, and with Sword Praxis, Hunger is one of the very few ultimate sources of justice. Sounds kind of pretentious too.
On unrelated note, one of the approx. three moments when Hunger achieved something reminiscent of a social victory over Gisane on camera.
Well, she could have stumbled upon other type of friendly isekais, perhaps. That could have potentially worked... Although with astral lord informed of her weakness and gunning for her, nothing short of really powerful adventurers, like Fairbrights, could have helped her.
Or, imagine her slamming somewhere in the middle of the Moon Temple Civ. That would have been just terrible. Overall, she really lucked out with her landing point.
A daily... Well, just a reminder that everything not-sword praxis is quite likely to keel over and stop working at best outside of universes like these. It is not impossible to stop - Nyong had a couple of EFB-effects that went "Yeah, and your stuff works everywhere" - but it requires some effort. So there are some incentives to focus only on things we are actually capable of retaining.
Forerunn... Bleh, Foremost, as I mused at some point before, are absurdly badass by a precursor race standards. It is telling that Accursed did not command us to conquer the Voyaging realm.
Anyway, a lot of signs point toward Voyaging realm being either like Nyong's vault (one of the potential vaults that had actual people inside, anyway) or Kong's overgrowth. I think it likely closer to Kong's overgrowth. The only thing left is to answer where are the people who are running the Voyaging realm, and when/and what is the desired result this place is supposed to achieve, what kind of state it wants to be in.
Lots of understatement all around here. That said, a long-term gainful employment would be good... If we can manage Tyranny curse. It would be preferable to be at least high (8+) astral rank so our idiosyncrasies would be easier to overlook; anyone actually strong enough to defeat anything sort of an actual armament might as well be a sovereign nation for all intents and purposes. It would be easier to reach agreements with others, in that context.
Gisena keeps being a nerd and nerding out about all this wonderful technology. Well, amongst other things, it does have incredible compatibility with nullity; when you strip all exotic physics manifestations, and you are left with a gun while your opponent is left with nothing... Well. Pity we outscaled all examples of sci-fi cool anime tech we encountered so far pretty hard. Not impossibly hard, but rather hard nonetheless.
I wonder how taxing it would be as of right now. Her sorcerous evolution is not quite like unlocking a grace, but she is, nonetheless, undeniable stronger than before, with better control and knowledge of her magic. She is even capable of event nullifying, theoretically, which is all sorts of bullshit and makes it clear why Accursed made her a companion choice, alongside with her being a victim of a Hero.
Hunger is a habitual isekai. Insert degenerate joke about being degenerate, degeneratly here.
We are going to enjoy being in Human Sphere, I must say. Cool high-tech is a good change of pace after fantasy more jrpg fantasy, and Hunger thinks that power armors and such are cool.
Human Sphere sounds like a pretty interesting setting. We already had some theories about how it was a united policy at some point in the past, some theories about governance, wondered how and where from they have retrieved Armaments, couple of other things... Hopefully we'll get there soon without incident. Well, aside from moon temple civ laundering, at least.
Astral beings are somewhat of a mess even to human sphere, it appears.
Armaments are the basic requirement for that sort of civilization to exist. I wonder if Foremost were not rendered up and extinct ad precursor races typically are in works such as this, but merely moved on - and left monster-attracting beacons behind them merely out of convenience.
...Hm. Idk, Armament seems to be a little to important to just leave behind regardless.
Sounds like Human sphere really doesn't know all too much about astral politics.
Restoration of armament automatically attract stronger enemies though... If making versch stronger makes the trip safer, it means its strength scales faster than strength of the beacon. Which makes sense, really. It would have been long destroyed, otherwise.
Later she suspected it was a nature of rank, but we did find that navigational sigil inside. The Human Sphere really doesn't know anything about how Armaments work, lol. Well, it is rather hard to figure out how magitech works without actually having access to magic.
"Most?"
The implication that there are Armaments created by someone else are incredibly interesting. And massive. Human Sphere is incapable of creating armaments and other than Astral Lords, we know not of other players in the local space.
Early Gisena-Hunger banter, etcetera, more importantly, daughteru get.
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