Hail mary argument for Forsaken Mask: Accursed interactions
but what about the chance of ntr
have you considered that

More seriously, this is a vote about the protagonist's attitude as well as a power vote. If he wants to retire and live with his family, what reason does he have to pursue the Royal Praxis? He can just wish for what would be most helpful in that particular moment. Hell, we can wish for what the Accursed would think the most helpful in that moment. Why wish for anything else?
 
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If we get Geas of Indenture please tell me the companions from lesser remittance naturally comes with us without spending more.
 
[X] Dread but Dreaming
-[X] Drop the Plenary Brand, removing the risk of it exposing your Curse-related weaknesses.
[X] The Forsaken Mask
[X] Seven Seals
 
The pact is sealed, tag me when you'd like to call your marker in.

With the ability to approval vote without dilution, an already complex vote becomes a proper Gordian Knot. I don't envy the talliers, but Rihaku's the one who has to evaluate the whole mess. For now:

[X] Vendetta
-[X] Remittance: The King's
[X] Dread but Dreaming

-[X] Keep the Plenary Brand, gaining 3 more Lesser Remittances.
[X]Accretion

Accretion may have interesting Dread synergies; disturb not the slumbering Leviathan lest your civilization be whelmed. Slumber becomes an indirect source of power and the Plenary Brand actively builds our mythos. Fuzzy, conceptual magic systems incentivizing the sacrifice of selfhood for power are great. Even Mask might turn out to have hidden depths, if the hero's lost wife is a valid Geas focus and the option doesn't sink us into a cesspool of drama. The Lunatic's a yandere, but love has been the seed for many a legend. It could be beautiful to read, but so much hinges on a woman we know nothing of.

Index should be all caught up (famous last words). Also, as a subscriber you can set an image for the thread to be displayed in the mouseover popup and above the threadmarks in reader mode, if you'd like to put one of Priest's or Microwave's sketches up.
 
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[X] Vendetta
-[X] Remittance: The Sword
[X] Dread but Dreaming
-[X] Keep the Plenary Brand
[X] Battle Mastery

Explore the Praxis, or explore the Praxis. Both are available to you when you've got approval voting on your side! I suppose Dread but Dreaming is a tolerable option, with the Praxis leaving open room for unbounded growth despite the slower growth rate of Combat-type Cursebearers. Just a shame that we'll have both Affliction of Slumber and Plenary Brand, which may leave us unable to deal with threats that actively hunt us down as we enter higher tiers of powerscaling that we won't be able to keep up with. And I would also assume that being asleep for 16 out of 24 hours makes it actively harder to work hard and self-sacrifice (unless the sleep counts as self-sacrifice which would be interesting) and thus make advancements in Praxis levels. Go Vendetta and bring the architects of your ruin to heel! Risk death for sweet sweet numbers go up!
 
If we get Geas of Indenture please tell me the companions from lesser remittance naturally comes with us without spending more.

Wouldn't that be convenient! And Curses rarely are. You don't have to pick Progression and therefore get the Geas, after all.

Luckily Gisena pays her own way Mitigation-wise. As for the others, well, you have time.
 
Have you considered that Arthur demonstrated the prototype of not only Slumber but also Lunacy? We've already read a quest in which, 'their happiness and safety are certainly more important than your own and you will find it difficult to refuse even their slightest whims.' IIRC Imperia wasn't your favourite taskmaster.
Yeah, that's the primary reason Forsaken Mask's last in my preference ordering despite it being - from a standpoint that prioritizes IC decisions and the protagonist's happiness - a frontrunner. Black box waifu, horrible drama or weakness if incompatible with Lunacy, and a lack of agency if she is. Every option implies a certain sort of person, and someone who would choose the Mask is unlikely to earn further Wishes. I'm just pointing out silver linings.
 
Well, he was a Hero before, It's likely he can become one again if pressed. Problem is pressing him though. Well, we can always go full NTR and get another love who actually has interests in the world they are from. People will never vote for that though, the cowards.
 
[X] Forsaken Mask
[X] Balance

[X] Accretion
Yeah, that's the primary reason Forsaken Mask's last in my preference ordering despite it being - from a standpoint that prioritizes IC decisions and the protagonist's happiness - a frontrunner. Black box waifu, horrible drama or weakness if incompatible with Lunacy, and a lack of agency if she is. Every option implies a certain sort of person, and someone who would choose the Mask is unlikely to earn further Wishes. I'm just pointing out silver linings.
Isn't it likely to happen anyway regardless of how you avoid it? We got an Elven Waifu in EFB, had Jeanne in AST, etc.
 
There's an old Word of Rihaku I'd like to dig up for Affliction of Slumber purposes.

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With sufficient power, it is possible to mitigate the Curses imposed on you. This is encouraged and accepted by the Accursed. However, each marginal improvement in the circumstances of the Curse requires an exponentially greater sum of energy. For example, it might only require the dedicated work of a skilled archmage to reduce the duration of Slumber from sixteen to fourteen hours, but reducing it to twelve hours would take more than the sum total output of the universe.

If we're willing to put a lesser remittance to it/Gisena we may well be able to get an additional 2 waking hours early in the game.
 
but what about the chance of ntr
have you considered that

More seriously, this is a vote about the protagonist's attitude as well as a power vote. If he wants to retire and live with his family, what reason does he have to pursue the Royal Praxis? He can just wish for what would be most helpful in that particular moment. Hell, we can wish for what the Accursed would think the most helpful in that moment. Why wish for anything else?
There's an incentive to grind for wishes, because he can bring back more of his companions, because he could gain a power system designed to help mitigate one of the every growing dangers to his wife (the brand), to hyper optomize a Geas of Lunacy canidate so he can ensure we're not screwed over, a safety net in case they die (time travel instead of re-raising them, so as to kill multiple birds with one stone), and so much more.

But also there's always going to be pressure on him to grow, if only because this I have zero faith at all in the quest going 'and so you got your waifu, and had a nice laifu, the endfu'
Look at every other world a Cursebearer's been punted too that we know about (or really most worlds Rihaku's described period), and see if you can name a single one where they'd be free from the local plotlines if everyone and their dog could tell how powerful they were at a glance. Sure we'd be aiming for a nice and comfy life, but in order to protect that ideal we'll probably have to kill a metric ton of orc equivalents or whatever horror's going to be where we land. And because of the Brand both good sides and bad will want to involve the hero as he defends his right to domestic living.
 
If we're willing to put a lesser remittance to it/Gisena we may well be able to get an additional 2 waking hours early in the game.
Conveniently, keeping Plenary gives us a tremendous number of those. We start with 1, are almost at 2 more after accounting for participation bonuses, and gain a final 3 for a grand total of 6 Lesser Remittances. What a decadent bounty of power... or Accursed Favor, should we forgo it. Seriously, that's the hidden benefit of Dread but Dreaming; not having to ration at the next spending point. Just because the shiny blurbs aren't sitting in front of us right this second doesn't mean they don't exist! Delayed gratification's the name of the game.
 
There's an incentive to grind for wishes, because he can bring back more of his companions, because he could gain a power system designed to help mitigate one of the every growing dangers to his wife (the brand), to hyper optomize a Geas of Lunacy canidate so he can ensure we're not screwed over, a safety net in case they die (time travel instead of re-raising them, so as to kill multiple birds with one stone), and so much more.

But also there's always going to be pressure on him to grow, if only because this I have zero faith at all in the quest going 'and so you got your waifu, and had a nice laifu, the endfu'
Look at every other world a Cursebearer's been punted too that we know about (or really most worlds Rihaku's described period), and see if you can name a single one where they'd be free from the local plotlines if everyone and their dog could tell how powerful they were at a glance. Sure we'd be aiming for a nice and comfy life, but in order to protect that ideal we'll probably have to kill a metric ton of orc equivalents or whatever horror's going to be where we land. And because of the Brand both good sides and bad will want to involve the hero as he defends his right to domestic living.
Well, first, none of that gives us the Imperial Praxis.

Second, interacting with the world in a reactive way still closes off many interesting things. As long as he reaches accommodation, the Hero will not be disturbed. His goal has already been reached; he will act only when necessary. Considering he'd have the power of a Combat-class and can go wherever thanks to not having the Geas, I would not count for that necessity to be frequent. It will still be mostly a quest about passivity.
 
Accounting for Orm Embar's recent adjustment and the fact some more people want to drop the brand for dread, Omake Power looks like this. Stay tuned for vote tally.

Vendetta: 19066
1794(Orm Embar Total)+5292(Unelemental)+1194(Sickul)+2284(Runeblue360) = 10564 from Scepter
1054(Crimson Moon)+689(Salty)+2177(KidfromPallet)+1463(BrainInAJar)+1873(Birdsie)+1246(Cerillian) = 8502 from Sword

Forsaken Mask: 2494(Maragas)+537(Enohthree)+2125(ConjuredBlade)+695(ImperatorV)+1463(BrainInAJar) = 7314
Balance : 695(ImperatorV)+5292(Unelemental) = 5987

Dread and Dreaming: 4973
1794(Orm Embar Total)+2125(ConjuredBlade)+1054(Crimson Moon) = 4973 from Keep


Accretion: 1794(Orm Embar)+5292(Unelemental)+1463(BrainInAJar)+1194(Sickul)+2284(Runeblue360)+537(Enohthree)
= 12564
Seven Seals: 1054(Crimson Moon)+689(Salty)+2177(KidFromPallet)+2125(ConjuredBlade)+1873(Birdsie)+1246(Cerillian) = 9164
Battle Mastery: 695(ImperatorV)+2494(Maragas) = 3189
Adhoc vote count started by Conjured Blade on May 18, 2020 at 7:30 PM, finished with 450 posts and 83 votes.
 
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Vote Tally:

Part 1. General Build


[ ] Vendetta: 38 Votes
Valkhir
Skeletickles
z3r0gamer
Kurowari
Genesys
kalugin
PurposefulZephyr
Talace
Dark Lord Bob
LordOfMurder
Ultimatum
Da Boyz
DodoDude
Cerillian
Birdsie
Crimson Moon
Rozencrantz
BrainInAJar
Bilbo Baggins
cheesyme
Drasky
TwistedJester
Sickul
skaro
Xalvitor
DkArthas
Thomasfoolery
Wolfy
Unelemental
Fumbles
George
Orm Embar
runeblue360
son et lumiere
KidFromPallet
Salty
Eredhel
Robotninja
- Remittance: The Sword: 24 Votes
Valkhir
Skeletickles
z3r0gamer
Kurowari
Genesys
kalugin
PurposefulZephyr
Talace
Dark Lord Bob
LordOfMurder
Ultimatum
Da Boyz
DodoDude
Cerillian
Birdsie
Crimson Moon
Rozencrantz
BrainInAJar
Bilbo Baggins
cheesyme
Salty
Eredhel
son et lumiere
KidFromPallet

- Remittance: The King's: 15 Votes (Reader of Fate voted for this subvote despite not voting for the main vote, hence the mismatch in total numbers.)
Drasky
TwistedJester
Sickul
skaro
Xalvitor
DkArthas
Thomasfoolery
Wolfy
Unelemental
Fumbles
George
Orm Embar
runeblue360
Robotninja
ReaderOfFate

[ ] The Forsaken Mask: 36 Votes
JiggyStreet
Humbaba
BookDragon5
Mozzy
Broken25
formalAI
JustGazzer
Rotekian
Pipeman
Graah
Darklord.
Maragas
Paloneia
Koden
Savonarola
veekie
Walker
fictionfan
Enohthree
Kurkistan
SirLagginton
RecursiveMontage
BlueFlamingWings
Silenteight
Nasr
ImperatorV
notgreat
Aabcehmu
Blonddude42
BrainInAJar
VNodosaurus
Conjured Blade
cheesyme
Redshirt Army
Shard
ReaderOfFate

[ ] Dread but Dreaming: 23 Votes
Orm Embar
runeblue360
DarkSideBard
VNodosaurus
will408914
Kurowari
Genesys
kalugin
PurposefulZephyr
Talace
Dark Lord Bob
PrimeNumber
DkArthas
Conjured Blade
Aabcehmu
Crimson Moon
Rozencrantz
Blonddude42
Strange9
George
Bilbo Baggins
Fumbles
Mannan
- Keep the Plenary Brand: 20 Votes
will408914
Kurowari
Genesys
kalugin
PurposefulZephyr
Talace
Dark Lord Bob
PrimeNumber
DkArthas
Conjured Blade
Aabcehmu
Crimson Moon
Rozencrantz
Blonddude42
Strange9
George
Bilbo Baggins
Orm Embar
runeblue360
Mannan

- Drop the Plenary Brand: 3 Votes
DarkSideBard
VNodosaurus
Fumbles

[ ] Balance: 12 Votes
Skelm
Blorcyn
Chronic
vali
Box Lunch
Shard
Thomasfoolery
ImperatorV
notgreat
Unelemental
Strange9
Redshirt Army



Part 2. Nature of Magic

[ ] Accretion: 23 Votes
veekie
Walker
fictionfan
Enohthree
Kurkistan
SirLagginton
RecursiveMontage
BlueFlamingWings
Silenteight Nasr
Sickul skaro
Xalvitor
DkArthas
Shard
Aabcehmu
Unelemental
Fumbles
Bilbo Baggins
cheesyme
Redshirt Army
Orm Embar
runeblue360

[ ] Battle Mastery: 18 Votes
Kurowari
Genesys
kalugin
PurposefulZephyr
Talace
Tall_Garbage
Maragas
Paloneia
Koden
Savonarola
PrimeNumber
Thomasfoolery
ImperatorV
notgreat Wolfy
Blonddude42
ReaderOfFate
Strange9

[ ] Seven Seals: 17 Votes
TwistedJester
LordOfMurder
Ultimatum
Da Boyz
DodoDude
vali
KidFromPallet
Salty
Eredhel
Conjured Blade
Crimson Moon
Rozencrantz
George
VNodosaurus
Box Lunch
Cerillian Birdsie



Brownie points go towards Forsaken Mask, please and thank you.
 
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Hmm.

[X] Accretion
[X] Balance
[X] Vendetta
-[X]Remittance: The King's


(Insert the top 10 anime betrayals meme here, since I probably have an argument value of 0 with my rampant vote swapping :V)

Accretion, of course, is an aesthetic vote. I'm not going to justify it seriously beyond 'I like it', and it's hardly relevant in the long run.

But Vendetta.. it's a playstyle of Exalted, Most High, which seems thematically appropriate in us following the Accursed Oddysial's footsteps, and well, who doesn't find that interesting? And then there is the deeper looking into what a quest really is. It's struggle, that reach to go ever higher, even further beyond. And perhaps in going for an idyllic lifestyle, there might a missing of point involved. Build votes, so often lambasted as 'build vote hell', aren't. If they were really were hell, would we be so involved, so invested in the outcome of a Build Vote?

I think not.

Rather, build votes are the quintessential distillation of progression, that all-critical component of a quest. Without it a quest would be hamstrung, the blacksmith without a hammer, then bowman with no bow. Indeed, that very progression and suffering is perhaps far more important than any start or endpoint of the quest or journey. Would EFB's ending of Baenlixnaier's return hold any weight if posted right after the beginning plot of an unnamed character brought from Earth to play a part in the games of the Cruel Fates? I highly doubt it.

So within Vendetta, that leaves Sword and The King. Well, The Sword is more power, has better potential, so on and so forth. The King has safety, the better guarantee of an existent quest, the Hero's journey. Personally, I expect my utility from either of them assuming a surviving first world to be about identical. So, The King it this. Plus, it feels ethically dubious to compel all the content creators on this quest to create endless amounts of content.

So I say, embrace the engine of progression. Build votes forever.
 
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[X] Dread but Dreaming
-[X] Keep the Plenary Brand, gaining 3 more Lesser Remittances.
[X] Balance
[X] Seven Seal


New vote, going half-and-half between Free Sword and Vengeful Champion.
 
Hmm.

[X] Accretion
[X] Balance
[X] Vendetta
-[X]Remittance: The King's


(Insert the top 10 anime betrayals meme here, since I probably have an argument value of 0 with my rampant vote swapping :V)

Accretion, of course, is an aesthetic vote. I'm not going to justify it seriously beyond 'I like it', and it's hardly relevant in the long run.

But Vendetta.. it's a playstyle of Exalted, Most High, which seems thematically appropriate in us following the Accursed Oddysial's footsteps, and well, who doesn't find that interesting? And then there is the deeper looking into what a quest really is. It's struggle, that reach to go ever higher, even further beyond. And perhaps in going for an idyllic lifestyle, there might a missing of point involved. Build votes, so often lambasted as 'build vote hell', aren't. If they were really were hell, would we be so involved, so invested in the outcome of a Build Vote?

I think not.

Rather, build votes are the quintessential distillation of progression, that all-critical component of a quest. Without it a quest would be hamstrung, the blacksmith without a hammer, then bowman with no bow. Indeed, that very progression and suffering is perhaps far more important than any start or endpoint of the quest or journey. Would EFB's ending of Baenlixnaier's return hold any weight if posted right after the beginning plot of an unnamed character brought from Earth to play a part in the games of the Cruel Fates? I highly doubt it.

So within Vendetta, that leaves Sword and The King. Well, The Sword is more power, has better potential, so on and so forth. The King has safety, the better guarantee of an existent quest, the Hero's journey. Personally, I expect my utility from either of them assuming a surviving first world to be about identical. So, The King it this. Plus, it feels ethically dubious to compel all the content creators on this quest to create endless amounts of content.

So I say, embrace the engine of progression. Build votes forever.
I admit, this tempted me more than it should. Build Votes are fun. I still haven't decided on my second vote but it will either go to Dread because it's the second Freedom choice or Vendetta: The King's Scepter because if Vendetta is going to win, might as well choose the one with best survival plan.
 
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The salt that would occur from Sword winning and causing us to lose the coin flip which will cause our death in the first few fights will be incredible to behold.

FYI This is from Rihaku stating that Sword even with lesser remittances will give the following chances of death. This is why people who are voting for Vendetta are also voting for Scepter.

To be absolutely clear, it is not overblown. Only take this option if you are comfortable with a serious chance (at least 1 in 3, probably not more than 2 in 3) of the quest ending within the first few fights.
 
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