A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Rihaku said that our MC thinks it is unlikely. So waiting here and recovering our 2nd life is a pretty solid plan.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
One pick is more valuable than 1 Arete in low amounts. The same does not necessarily apply for higher amounts. Moreover, this isn't about maximising value, it's about survival. The choice isn't between 1 pick now or 1 Arete for later, it's 1 pick now or a 7 Arete option now. If we end up in a situation where we just blow our Form of Rage on a bunch of relative schlubs because of bad encounter rolls, that would be an absolute waste.
Moreover, we don't have infinite time to grind here. We're screwed if we end up proccing the Apocryphal while in this place, we should be carving our way through as fast as we safely can. Another Echo won't let us do that but a strong 7 Pick option very well could. At the least, it would put us further ahead on the power curve, which is something we need right now.
Rihaku's said that our instincts tell us it should be safe, at least for now. A good pick here and we can explore much more safely and start progressing. So long as we don't stick around after this choice, I think we should be fine.
I'm voting for Wait and Hope because with our ass still sore from that beating, I don't want to just charge once more into the breach fully planning to die again. If you're not making your enemies work for it, you're losing even if you've got superior firepower.
- Location
- Pindorama
We do actually have to kill something decent to get good 7 options:
So more strength now leaves us much better positioned on that front; given we actually need to kill stuff to spend Arete. If we wait and hope, we might not get to cash in a seven Arete option for a while; while picks can be spent on any enemy. I think it's likely we will actually have 7 Arete when we kill something worthwhile even if we don't get Arete here, so that makes the pick more valuable in my eyes. After all, until we kill something that actually gives a 7 Arete option, it's just going to sit there.
If you are worried about Apocryphal; shouldn't we be going as hard as possible so as not to waste a second of those two weeks? Waiting is the opposite of what we should be doing. Arguably we we shouldn't even be saving Arete, but I've clearly been outvoted on this matter.
Yes, Stragglers carries some risks, but not many; and we won't persevere if we don't push on. Apocryphal just makes that more critical, not less.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Wait and Hope
[X] Brute Force
With Brute Force seemingly like a forgone conclusion, Wait and Hope becomes the best option. Between discussion, fanworks, the character sheet and the Arete bonus, we'll be able to avoid Arete debt entirely. Another 7 cost would leave us in a really good place to start Progressing through the Temple on a solid growth curve instead of getting dunked on by the first bad encounter roll we get. That would let us save the Form of Rage for a truly worthy opponent and thus absolutely maximise our potential gains without wasting time.
The characterization effects might be good for Hunger too. We've been taking a lot of very risky options lately and that's just not sustainable for a Cursebearer on the Geas. Rihaku's said it himself, an acceptable amount of power for minimal risk is the way to go. This might be a good start on making our guy a bit more cool headed, something he's going to need if he ever wants to achieve vengeance.
[X] Brute Force
With Brute Force seemingly like a forgone conclusion, Wait and Hope becomes the best option. Between discussion, fanworks, the character sheet and the Arete bonus, we'll be able to avoid Arete debt entirely. Another 7 cost would leave us in a really good place to start Progressing through the Temple on a solid growth curve instead of getting dunked on by the first bad encounter roll we get. That would let us save the Form of Rage for a truly worthy opponent and thus absolutely maximise our potential gains without wasting time.
The characterization effects might be good for Hunger too. We've been taking a lot of very risky options lately and that's just not sustainable for a Cursebearer on the Geas. Rihaku's said it himself, an acceptable amount of power for minimal risk is the way to go. This might be a good start on making our guy a bit more cool headed, something he's going to need if he ever wants to achieve vengeance.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Given that this single monster gave 2 picks and no Arete 7 option, I don't think more of it would provide Arete 7 options.
- Location
- Pindorama
That's the point, killing mooks won't get us 7 Arete options. We need to find something worthwhile. So why get more Arete now while we are still facing mooks? We'd still benefit from the extra pick in the meantime as long as we kill anything; while the extra Arete would just sit there in the name of saving up.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
No? We'd be strategizing and not fighting mooks who are strong enough to knock off our 1st life.
And I don't like the idea of obligating content creators to generate Arete because we can't be bothered to take +Arete options.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Though avoiding fights seems to be unwise, given the fact that even a random mook was able to knock our first life off. We probably just need to bite the bullet and go for more picks until our baseline is good enough. Remember our advancement rate is utterly insane.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
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- She/Her
We're not just facing mooks, we had a really lucky encounter roll that let us do that. It's actually more likely for us to face something beyond us entirely.
We don't just need 7 Arete, we need 8 unless you want to lose our stats or enter Arete debt on top of Tiredness in this hellzone. We have no idea when something well out of our weightclass is going to show up, we got incredibly lucky with these encounter rolls but we can't rely on that. Given that, it's best to be ready as soon as feasible.
Moreover, we're already somewhat fatigued. If we upgrade that to Tired outright, we lose our one safety net because being Exhausted with our stats here is a death sentence. Better instead to rest now and then go on the hunt later. That way our encounter roll has much less of an impact because we'd be actively seeking out trouble.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
>Avoiding fights unwise
>Random mook knock ofs our first life
>Currently on 2nd life, trying to avoid going to 3rd life
How does the logic here even make sense? We're basically at 50% HP.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Since we'd get a pick just this once I'd be willing to expend a pick on Echo while also sacrificing a copy of Echo. And only to spend a 7 Arete pick to get us on par with our enemies.
I mean as is we rolled an encounter we can actually handle. That wasn't at all guaranteed. I think we might have to keep fighting and hope we can grow fast enough to handle future threats.
Also... @Rihaku: An Echo+Opalescence pick would be appreciated by me, at least if we get 2 picks like this again. I'd like to grab Opalescence but don't want to spend Arete yet.
And now we can fight them much better and are getting a power upgrade. Trying to avoid fights is basically asking for our next encounter roll when we go back in to be worse.
You are acting like retreat is actually an option instead of a temporary reprieve.
Do you at least understand now why I really didn't like this build? It's awesome... with a drawback we can't afford to have. We need to avoid such votes in the future, assuming we survive this.
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- Location
- Pindorama
Yes, so we won't get to spend the Arete. Nor is there any indication of when we will move on from fighting mooks, nor whether finding something stronger would really be a good idea. More picks really don't have these problems.
Stragglers is about picking off isolated knights specifically and avoiding other monsters. So I think triggering Rage is far from a inevitability with that option. If seeking out something specific lessens the impact of encounter rolls, surely this would count as well?
We don't get to spend Arete unless we kill something. The Knights don't give 7 arete options. So unless literally the first enemy we encounter after this is something that would actually give a 7 option, the pick is better. It would actually make us more prepared for the difficult enemies too.
We need to get stronger, we won't do so by avoiding fights. Again, we can't spend Arete unless we kill something worthwhile. So to actually get there, we need to Progress.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
We're more than a match for said creatures, now. Do not forget the power of progression.
- Location
- Pindorama
Imperfect circumstances don't invalidate the ultimate goal of gaining strength. We can't afford to just do stuff when the perfect conditions align; should we be successful, we'd be in better position. Seizing proactivity is the key here.
TwistedJester
Tired Lurker King
- Location
- Hell
[X] Pick Off Stragglers
[X] Swift as Death
[X] Swift as Death
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Doesn't protect us from bad luck. Also relies unfairly on people generating enough omakes to close the gap.
You're putting responsibility on them to write judicious amounts of fanworks or else bad things happen.
This isn't just imperfect, this is an awful circumstance to get power. On our 2nd life, likely bordering on Tired, in a dungeon. For a single pick. Which will be basically, a single Echo at most?
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
As one of said people trying to close said gap... eh. I'll just beg the rest of you to do chapter reacts too. It isn't hard if you got some time.
And waiting around doesn't protect us from bad luck either.
It's +1 pick, not "1 pick". Which could put over the threshold for a 3-pick or 4-pick choice.
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
It does? Rihaku said our MC believes it does. Like, if we were fully healed and in our fleshy form then dying to a random encounter isn't problematic. But we are in our second life right now.
- Location
- Planet Earth
Worth noting, 1 of the knights got us 2 picks, Rihaku just gave us pre selected pairs of options to vote for. We'll be killing far more than just 1 knight most likely. Beyond that, sitting and waiting won't help us grow stronger for when, and it is when, we encounter something stronger than the knights. As such, in the hopes of not getting screwed, I like the idea of trying to power level a bit.
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Brute Force
[X] Wait and Hope
A moment of brute wisdom after a long, risky sprint.
[X] Wait and Hope
A moment of brute wisdom after a long, risky sprint.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Not what I mean. I'm saying if we retreat and come back we reroll and could easier run into something significantly more dangerous the second time. Right now we have a foe we know we can take and have learned how to fight.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
Thank the moon for that roll, everything is going better than expected! Of course, my expectations were absolutely terrible, so that isn't saying much.
[X] Wait and Hope
I don't want to vote for Swift as Death if Wait wins, don't want to vote for Brute Force if Vanquish wins. Instead of worrying, I'm just gonna bask in the feeling of not being dead for now.
[X] Wait and Hope
I don't want to vote for Swift as Death if Wait wins, don't want to vote for Brute Force if Vanquish wins. Instead of worrying, I'm just gonna bask in the feeling of not being dead for now.