Actually, we did vote for a comparatively leisurely pace with Conservative. 
A Simple Transaction I
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In which case it makes more sense to vote for Brute Force or better yet Peerless Shroud over Swift as Death, as those two boost us in more than our mid stage in a fight. Peerless Shroud also makes it pretty damn safe to fight the crowd, as we're far less vulnerable to hits from them with it.
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I am not convinced by Vanguish the pursuers, it requires an 2 Arete pick that makes taking the 7 Arete pick increadibly hard.
Why don't we for once try to play to the strength of our build? We have an emergency fuck you power that can beat almost any enemy, using it well is the key to snowballing here instead of looking for scraps and hoping that's enough.
The strategy should be to bring us closer to 7 Arete, find an stronk opponent and use Form of Rage to kill it for maximum experience. That's the best way to take advantage of our strengths and snowball. The resulting picks with an 7 Arete option can be used to buff us enough to not rely on form of Rage. That was the strategy people were hoping for with Bright Vanguisher. It's time to stop letting things distract us and finally focus on it.
Why don't we for once try to play to the strength of our build? We have an emergency fuck you power that can beat almost any enemy, using it well is the key to snowballing here instead of looking for scraps and hoping that's enough.
The strategy should be to bring us closer to 7 Arete, find an stronk opponent and use Form of Rage to kill it for maximum experience. That's the best way to take advantage of our strengths and snowball. The resulting picks with an 7 Arete option can be used to buff us enough to not rely on form of Rage. That was the strategy people were hoping for with Bright Vanguisher. It's time to stop letting things distract us and finally focus on it.
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And we still triggered our Second Form anyway. We need to progress faster than the dangers we encounter, otherwise we'd be in this position forever. We need to establish momentum, especially since Apocryphal won't trigger while we are here.
Peerless Shroud is less safe for Vanquish than Swift. Rihaku implied so, at least. Taking Brute Force plus Vanquish is an immediate Rage proc, which is a failure state in my opinion.
Why do you guys want to use Rage to farm so much when we have been advised against it? It's a panic button. You should not go out seeking things that require pressing it.
Yes, but he protected against attacks on Seram's mind and spirit against attacks of up to NaN strength, and his <Soul> against all attacks. Why the difference?
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No. The stats are Echo only.
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We are advised against using it repeatedly. But now that we have decided to go with Bright Vanguisher, we need to take advantage of our strengths in order to snowball so we can actually have an chance to figure out the mystery of this place.
Properly used, we won't need to use it again with an strong 7 Arete option + other picks in our grasp. We can do traditional grinding after that.
People are seriously understimating the dungeon still, what we need isn't small increases in effectiveness but something that allows us to beat stronger enemies. We just saw an damned mook defeat Hunger. We need serious strength and we need it soon.
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Maybe because attacks on the <Soul> are much rarer but also conversely more dangerous in the sense of robbing the Cursebearer of their free will? A Progression type will outgrow whoever tries to control him with mind magic as long as he survives, but <Soul> might allow more permanent modifications to one's essence? Or maybe it's as you said and protecting it is easier for a given value of the word.
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Agreed on the Brute Force portion, but for the Peerless Shroud one that is true, but in future fights Peerless Shroud will be useful in all stages/forms, while Swift as Death is only useful in one. That combined with the fact that Peerless Shroud will probably be enough to not need to use Form of Rage means I consider it the better by far option.
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Hunger already said that Rage is not something he wants to use casually. We should only rely on it on fights that really matter; if we use it in a fight while we can run away without losing anything it can do bad things to his characterization. Everyone who voted for it knew this; it's meaningless that it's the best strength we have.
But being in Second Stage is fine; more than fine with Swift since we gain regen with it so we don't need to worry about it being attrited. To defeat us any enemy needs to deal with Second Stage anyway; so it's fine to consider it an integral part of our strength. It's not like Rage, something that make us tired and may cause characterization issues.
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Well, besides the fact that he's constantly killing his physical body...
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Well, he'd do that with or without Swift. It's just optimal.
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Considering we've gotten a lasting debuff specifically because of that attitude of treating his living fleshy body as irrelevant, I hope you'll understand why I don't give that argument very much credit. Besides, while an enemy will have to deal with our Second Stage to kill us, any enemy who can threaten us in Form of Rage can probably still do just fine killing us even with Swift as Death, but Peerless Shroud buffs us in our best state and all others, rather than just our second best state.
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Man, what is it with us and suicidal vote combinations? This is seriously worrying.
The thing is that we already in Second Form; so for Vanquishing; something that focuses on the Second Form is best. If Shroud starts gaining steam alongside it, I'd happily change my vote. But I see no need to vote for the option with less chances when Swift is perfectly adequate.
If you didn't want risk of that, you should have argued against having Second Form at all. He will continue to kill himself for power as long as it is optimal; we just have to live with it.
The thing is that we already in Second Form; so for Vanquishing; something that focuses on the Second Form is best. If Shroud starts gaining steam alongside it, I'd happily change my vote. But I see no need to vote for the option with less chances when Swift is perfectly adequate.
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To be perfectly fair, I didn't expect that debuff when we got Second Form, and I'm willing to bet either a change in thread attitude or interaction with Gisena will clear it up sooner or later. It may be wonderfully useful to have but fear of death can be a useful thing.
Fair enough, fair enough. At this point we're mostly down to personal preference. You're prioritizing this encounter because you want Vanquish, while I'm voting for the longer term buff and to be cautious because I want to avoid the suicidal combination and dislike Swift as Death. I could call in my marker I suppose, but this isn't quite a big enough vote for me to do that, tho if things go badly enough next vote might be.
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Hey, that's what markers are for. As they say, a once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If you think things will go badly enough should things go wrong, then spending that effort now is worth it.
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[X] Pick Off Stragglers
[X] Swift as Death
Honestly just trying to avoid the current non-optimal combination from winning. Also, I mostly lurk stuff, but I have to say I'm enjoying a lot reading through the story and all your decision processes between the votes, so I wanted to give an huge "thank you, please keep doing what you're doing!" to both the GM and the questers
[X] Swift as Death
Honestly just trying to avoid the current non-optimal combination from winning. Also, I mostly lurk stuff, but I have to say I'm enjoying a lot reading through the story and all your decision processes between the votes, so I wanted to give an huge "thank you, please keep doing what you're doing!" to both the GM and the questers
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Things will only go badly if we get unlucky with the current winning vote, if we get lucky or if Swift as Death takes the lead then its merely suboptimal and not my preference. Avoiding doing truly stupid shit is worth using the marker, avoiding a vote I merely dislike isn't.
[X] Peerless Shroud
We basically got smooshed by that knight in one hit, so more protection strikes me as a good idea, especially since it extends the prodigious physical protection to cover magical damage.
[X] Vanquish The Pursuers
Peerless Shroud is explicitly described as allowing us to "weather the majority of their attacks with impunity", so I expect we can get away with charging into them.
We basically got smooshed by that knight in one hit, so more protection strikes me as a good idea, especially since it extends the prodigious physical protection to cover magical damage.
[X] Vanquish The Pursuers
Peerless Shroud is explicitly described as allowing us to "weather the majority of their attacks with impunity", so I expect we can get away with charging into them.
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I'm fine with either Swift and Vanquish or Brute and Stragglers.
Vanquish without spending Arete is a truly stupid option. Oh I barely killed 1 of these things using 1 of my lives and now with 2 ++s in physical stats I'm going to take down 12?
Pick a lane people, can't have Vanquish without spending. It multiplies the danger of the last encounter which killed our physical form. Both Arete options offer defense to help offset this.
Unless you are looking to blow form of Rage right now on this group of 12 Knights?
Vanquish without spending Arete is a truly stupid option. Oh I barely killed 1 of these things using 1 of my lives and now with 2 ++s in physical stats I'm going to take down 12?
Pick a lane people, can't have Vanquish without spending. It multiplies the danger of the last encounter which killed our physical form. Both Arete options offer defense to help offset this.
Unless you are looking to blow form of Rage right now on this group of 12 Knights?