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A Simple Transaction I

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Orm Embar said:
Hunger promised to repay the Accursed; that debt remains, whether or not he releases Hunger from it. If he wanted a more compliant Cursebearer, he shouldn't have saddled us with Tyranny... though turnabout is fair play.
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well... the fragment of Tyranny Hunger was saddled with explicitly allowed him to obey the orders of the Accursed, so...
(also yeah like qwolfs said, choosing Hunger freedom is what the Accursed wants for the debt. If you say you owe someone a debt, it is Their choice what they want from you, not yours (unless Hunger thinks 'rest' is too big a favor to ask of him as recompense for saving his life, I guess.).)
 
Gisena aside, why at the final hurdle would we change the course of Hunger's entire life and not cut through? It might be tempting to give up his responsibilities as a progression cursebearer and live the easy life but it's completely antithetical to Hunger's personality.
 
Of course, it's implied in the option's description, but it should be reinforced that the most likely outcome of Vengeance is still Hunger dead from the Apocryphal Curse. The Procession of Worlds was difficult to escape, but did not escalate quite like the Apocryphal Curse can.

Maybe the Accursed just doesn't want Hunger to die. Again!
 
Valkhir said:
The favour is not the ideal in this case, but sentiment.
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If you believe you should take Vengeance to assist him in fulfilling his ideal then you must also believe the Accurseds ideals are in line with Hungers.

At the same time the Accursed has the greatest knowledge of how to accomplish his goals and is not swayed by sentiment.

Therefore doing as he requests is acting in concert with Hungers ideals.
 
qwolfs said:
If you believe you should take Vengeance to assist him in fulfilling his ideal then you must also believe the Accurseds ideals are in line with Hungers.

At the same time the Accursed has the greatest knowledge of how to accomplish his goals and is not swayed by sentiment.
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Actually, why do you think this?

That either he is unswayed by sentiment, or rather that he is acting in perfect accord with his ideals?

Even if we accept he acts optimally as he can, he has extreme amounts and degrees of Curses which could modify or curtail his actions and decisionmaking.

Edit: Its also possible that Hunger misunderstands what ideals the Accursed holds in truth, and they merely align for now.
 
Valkhir said:
Actually, why do you think this?

That either he is unswayed by sentiment, or rather that he is acting in perfect accord with his ideals?

Even if we accept he acts optimally as he can, he has extreme amounts and degrees of Curses which could modify or curtail his actions and decisionmaking.
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Are you trying to argue that the Accursed is incapable of making decisions for himself because he is, effectively, mentally deficient?
 
Orm Embar said:
This feels strange for me of all people to say, but I just can't do Gisena like that. She's given Hunger her unstinting support through trials and tribulations, risking death and diminishment, offering up the Ring of Truth and her very selfhood on victory's blood-slick altar. And now we're to turn our back on all that and accept the Maiden's desperate bribe of a bride? Catherine was a fitting companion for the hero reborn, but that man is dead. As Hunger himself has said: He is no hero. Just a man seeking...

[X] Vengeance

There are more important things than happiness. The machinations of the Hidden Ones would strip Hunger of his Progression, and thus prevent him from ever threatening them in truth. We have the chance to truly contribute to the greater struggle, to strike a meaningful blow against the unfairness of the cosmos. To falter at this final juncture would be a betrayal of the will which is Hunger's defining attribute. Though the costs will be dire and the burdens great, who is more suited to bearing them than the Forebear of Dynasties? He Cut himself free of the Procession once; the Apocryphal Curse too shall fall in time. The Bane of Heroes will learn that she's chosen the wrong type of target: a Tyrant.
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Straight-up, I think The Accursed is smarter than us. If he thinks Hunger retiring is actually worth spending his Forebear Favor on, we should trust his judgement.
In particular, it's not like the Tyrant's Doom is actually a significant problem for him, since he's already the strongest (and wisest) known existence in the omniverse by a considerable degree? I'd expect both Leprosy and Mutilation to be considerably bigger deals for him, and those are Lesser Curses.
 
Rihaku said:
[ ] The Genius [2 Gifts] - The gift of the Genius is nothing less than perfection in life. The recipient is blessed with a powerful guardian which will work to prevent, mitigate or undo the worst misfortunes of their personal journey. In the prevention of minor inconveniences it will not bestir to action, but its power to circumvent death borders on the absurd. The recipient is easily capable of surviving a seemingly endless string of deadly circumstances that would surely lead to annihilation in any reasonable scenario.
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I didn't engage with the other CYOA's because I had lost interest in them, but it's nice to be assured that this remains true.

Rihaku said:
"Once you proscribed to pay me back for the powers I had imparted on you. Do me this favor, old foe: rest. Let me never again be forced to take up arms against you...

…It was a difficult enough fight the first time."
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C'mon, this is cheating. I know your hints during chargen were too subtle to us numb-skulls, but this is basically guilt-tripping us. I don't want to disappoint Accursed-senpai!

But,
[X] Vengeance
Is what I'll choose.

There are those who are forced to fight every day of their lives, and there maybe even onto eternity. Hunger was one of them, once. Let's not just fight for out Hunger and Catherine, but for every Hunger and Catherine that could exist.

Sometimes, your own happiness, and even the happiness of a third person, can be the less important thing.
 
qwolfs said:
Are you trying to argue that the Accursed is incapable of making decisions for himself because he is, effectively, mentally deficient?
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I wouldn't go that far, but his clariy is compromised by Hubris, Martyr, and Tyranny. All of which in conjunction with rest of the curses will seek to muddy the waters as much as possible as it is within their interest to.
 
qwolfs said:
If you believe you should take Vengeance to assist him in fulfilling his ideal then you must also believe the Accurseds ideals are in line with Hungers.

At the same time the Accursed has the greatest knowledge of how to accomplish his goals and is not swayed by sentiment.

Therefore doing as he requests is acting in concert with Hungers ideals.
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I do believe the Accursed has the knowledge of how to accomplish his own goals, and at the onset, for reasons known only to him, he gave us access to progression; the option for vengeance when it was fully and wholly in his hands to deny us that opportunity and make us a combat class cursebearer.

I feel like he's fond of Hunger, and for the same reasons many of us want to see him live on, he is asking him to stop. It may be in Hungers best interest to stop; but I don't believe it has to be necessarily in the Accurseds best interest if we stop. So few can weather the crowning curses. So few have a plausible chance to actually remove a curse. We have a chance to completely remove the Doom of Tyranny from the Accursed, that being in the cards mean calling for a hit on 20 is a worthwhile gambit if you believe in a better world than this.

Sometimes people want to do good for you and you want to do good for them; you just end up having to help each other despite the other getting in the way of your doo-goodery.
 
If Freedom was what's best for the Accursed, why does the Apocryphal Curse want it so much to the point of direct bribery? Literally (part of) the manifestation of the curse that afflicts him doesn't want even the remote chance we become High Cursebearer.
qwolfs said:
There is no point continuing this argument. I believe the Accursed is capable of making decisions for himself and that they should be honored and respected. There is no give, here.
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lol

Setting aside the qualifications of a "agent capable of making his own decisions", he gave us power freely, with no expectation of recompense. This is no longer merely his own decision but Hunger's. And he can want more that mere Freedom.
 
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