[X] Fourth Sign: Deathly Star [Evening Sky]

I think this still has merit even when we have Astral Thorn. See, the Praxis technique is all about "no matter what you can harm it" move but not an instant win card. Its about making sure your attacks are relevant but it does not automatically secure the win like us requiring multiple casting to destroy Augustine's defences. With this however we will have a "save or die" skill. And this is just the base spell, upgrading it to the better versions or with Once and Future II will make it even harder to defend against and not be gibbed.
 
[X] Reformation

Welp commission isn't getting any speed. Procrastination it is.

[X] Fourth Sign: Deathly Star [Evening Sky]

Some good points have been made for deathly star. A (mostly) unblockable ultimate attack is a very good get out of death card and you can never have too many of those in this quest.
 
I see planetary wise destruction attack. I see future meandering of whether we Bust A Planet to date Decimation or not.

Moral quandaries? Wat dat?

[X] Liberation
[X] Fourth Sign: Deathly Star [Evening Sky]
 
Hey @Rihaku, would Veil of Grandeur help with using Hunger's full force of Rank/Ruin without collateral damage, or is it too much to cover?

Rank already avoids collateral damage!

So we took 1 trillion units of platinum from Adorie. 1 unit is a season of work - let's say that's equivalent of 10k$ because why not; that would mean that we just paid equivalent of ten quadrillion dollars to unlock our Signs.

They're a future-tech society, if a colonial one, so it's closer to double that! Very expensive.
 
If we don't pay it back, the ghost-ghost of Augustine will use equivalent exchange to steal 250,000,000 millenia of effort from us, instantly reducing us to ashes.
 
Us being the readers, by the way. Hunger suffers a fate much, much worse.
 
Blood for power, and kindling for Fire. Everything, for Liberation. ...Don't mind me, just making a self-indulgent reference. Anyway, I'm obligated to vote for anything called Liberation; how convenient that it's not only the red option, but the best option! Increases to Nilfellian strength are flat-out better than improvements for the Elixir Kingdom or Temple, that singular plus sign encapsulates entire Legions' worth of might. The stronger Nilfel is, the better the results will be for the territories Hunger is leaving behind under its aegis. As expected, Adorie disapproves of this course of action, though evidently not enough to make for a relationship malus? That's fine, Hunger can play the villain here and be the face of the offensive, allowing Adorie to maintain her moral high ground.

It sates the remaining imperialists and she can be seen as reining in the unstoppable power that overthrew the Lord Protector, the carrot to Hunger's stick Blade. Nilfel's neighbors are too shell-shocked to exploit the new regime, but that state of affairs won't persist forever. Since it'll benefit the people of the Mountain-Holds in the medium to long term, this is honestly not that bad. Hunger may have outscaled Edeldross-based nonlethal tactics, but Holy Shit's great for compelling surrenders. Who knows, maybe this brief campaign of conquest will be worth a pick? We do still have to finish Fisher King if we want the Accursed Favor.

Hunger has followed the trail blazed by Nameless in inventing a bottomless money pit. It'd be more amusing if he wasn't now deeply indebted to Adorie, who burned through Nilfel's treasury to power up the Cloak. Hunger's honor and fairness are some of his most admirable attributes. This is in some sense his problem, so repaying the newly-minted Queen Mirellyian by using strength - his most valuable asset, except for the Ennobling I assume already took place - to advance Nilfellian interests is fitting. I'm curious about the supernatural nature of platinum too, why did Augustine use iron as a medium for runes instead? This being the Realm of Myth, are the Mountain-Holds inhabited by dwarves? Like the Extrusion and Cloak's hunger for currency, the thirst for deep lore is unquenchable. Anyway, that brings us to the build vote:

[X] Liberation
[X] Fourth Sign: Deathly Star [Evening Sky]

Gisena's 'problem' only exists because she's unwilling to do as Hunger did and invent a Charisma dial Grace akin to Skyveil. The perfect is the enemy of the good, and all that. It's uncharitable to call this preoccupation vanity on her part. Perhaps she just doesn't like to fail? Having had all previous challenges yield to her intellect, she assumes that in time she can have her Charisma cake and eat it too (before she winds up becoming a Christmas cake). She's probably right, too; even if 'impossible' wasn't a taboo word in this cosmology, the Veil of Grandeur is proof of concept. She could access the same effect through Science, just as Deathly Star translates Augustine's pantheon-slaying strike into the medium of Art. But that doesn't make doing so a good use of her time... or enabling Gisena a good use of the Cloak's Fourth Sign.

Don't get me wrong, the stat bonuses are juicy: raw Intelligence, Charima is also Protection, Strength benefits the All-Defeating Stance, etc. But we pursued the Fourth & Fifth Signs in hopes of developing a solution to our pressing mage extraction problem. Sadly there's no silver bullet to be found here, but both Skywards & Star are relevant for the upcoming tribulation. The Realm's anti-theft measures have been described as apocalyptic; what better answer to them than the ability to cancel said Apocalypse? That this update explicitly draws parallels between the Apocryphal Curse and the countermeasures is concerning, doubly so in light of the upcoming proc's increased power. Twenty to fifty percent means it's going to be at 92.5% of baseline strength at minimum, more than enough to make life very inconvenient interesting indeed.

Skywards Claim's a potent force multiplier and would be a clear frontrunner if it could be applied to all our companions. But that's not the case, we have to choose who gets the buff or rotate the enhancement, and while physical power's more interesting than it seems (to paraphrase a previous quest's blurb) I'm dubious that it will be game-changing. We'll have to vote on who gets it, then there'll be an opportunity to adjust our strategy and maybe leave Aobaru behind, and I'd rather skip those shenanigans and stay the course. Deathly Star's precise, powerful, and has a relatively short cooldown. We're heading for the Human Sphere and if you think Hunger's not going to wind up fighting an Armament, I have a bridge to sell you somewhere in Greenland. Also, it'll be enjoyable to read about when we're inevitably forced to use it, Rihaku writes wonderful explosions.
 
[X] Liberation
[X] Fourth Sign: Deathly Star [Evening Sky]


I'm going to participate in the grandest tradition of my people: justifying imperialism!

So, we picked fisher king.
We know that kill-based mitigation for the Decimation will eventually fall off of viability.
When it does, Fisher King is our go-to solution.
It doesn't work if you're not in Hunger's state.

SO!
Join or die, but it's not because Hunger wants to conquer you, it's actually totally for your own good, so hand over the silver or we'll kill you (sometime).

Maybe have those mythical PR guys take a glance before we publish.
 
I'm struggling with the idea of leaving **another** EFB tier companion upgrade on the table. This time the leading votes risk bringing us below 10 relationship +s for Adorie AND the sign vote gives up the chance for a Rank 8 Physical combatant.


I'll probably end up voting for the Death Star laser because it gives me joy, but the loss of yet another Companions boost really smarts.
 
If we don't pay it back, the ghost-ghost of Augustine will use equivalent exchange to steal 250,000,000 millenia of effort from us, instantly reducing us to ashes.
Sounds like a great way to progress 😤

I like Orms breakdown. Liberation of who? Perhaps these Mountain Holds are in the hands of reactionary strongman who came into power during a time of war and crisis. There must have been conscription, a wartime economy, probably a lack of resources. There's no one to trade with when everyone is being assaulted by a superpower country. How much of that mythical platinum was being used on the citizens needs instead of the military? This will be better for the Ordinary citizens, we can use our humanitarian efforts and resources to ease any immediate pain and get the people on our side. Just have to make sure there isn't any stomping out of cultures or any war crimes, and that locals have at least sone power to govern themselves under our cloak.

God, humans can justify anything. Especially imperialism.

[X] Liberation
[X] Fourth Sign: Deathly Star [Evening Sky]

big laser go boom
 
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[X] Liberation
Nilfel. STRONK.
[X] Fourth Sign: Deathly Star [Evening Sky]
Offense. Gud.

That is all.
... I joke, but I'm somewhat underwhelmed by Veil of Grandeur's utility since dampening Attributes to palatable levels isn't really a priority. The INT boost is juicy, but doesn't compare to the other scaling options imo.

As for Skywards Claim, it'd be a nice Stat Boost for a Companion to keep up with Hunger, but I'd like to double down on the Evening Sky theme for our Cloak since the synergy likely has further benefits.

EDIT: Approval voting.
[X] Fourth Sign: Skywards Claim [Vast Empyrean]
 
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Sounds like a great way to progress 😤
Death is merely a setback, so long as we get Sword in the Stone beforehand. I wonder if that stacks with Dead but Dreaming's posthumous world-warping? Rereading SitS's blurb, the answer's probably yes, since it literally contains the latter's name. Add Companions of the King and things get positively Lovecraftian, with reality conspiring to effect the King in Yellow Hungering King's return through rituals performed by his partisans. Turns out Avalon was really R'lyeh all along, who knew?
 
Adorie isn't a companion tho, she's a brand mascot we picked up to lessen our liability.
Calling Adorie a mere mascot? Bold. Bullying a princess is one of Hunger's hobbies, but insulting a queen's lèse-majesté! Good thing she's so nice. Anyway, Adorie ought to count as a companion:
*Naturally he must be accompanied by its final scion as well. It would be rather unkind to take possession of her Artifacts without looking out for her well-being.
*Recruits Adorie Mirellyian as a companion. She is an exceptionally capable administrator, orator, lore-master and vocalist, and would be happy to run your territories for you or help you research further Empyreal Signs.
She benefits from Undying Vanguard and everything, there's no way Hunger would've taken her along on the final assault without its protection. As an aside, it's nice that we wound up realizing both theoretical benefits listed in Eye of the Storm's blurb. 'Free' Empyreal Signs (admittedly Areteless, though in hindsight maybe we should've read the fine print) and Apocryphal deflection are great perks. I'm curious how Adorie and Sten'll react to each other when they meet. One of Hunger's protectorates being ruled by a mind-broken puppet has to have been a surprise for the former. Maybe the Worldkeeper will feel a glimmer of pity at Adorie's evident nobility of spirit? Another soul ensnared by the Ring-Lord's wiles.
As for Skywards Claim, it'd be a nice Stat Boost for a Companion to keep up with Hunger, but I'd like to double down on the Evening Sky theme for our Cloak since the synergy likely has further benefits.
Was wondering about that, you'd think sticking with the Evening Sky and not succumbing to the shiny, newfangled temptations would yield a synergy bonus. But we took three Evening options last time and it didn't do anything despite all the theorizing, so Signs four and five aren't likely to change that. Best to vote for the options as they stand.
 
[X] Fourth Sign: Deathly Star [Evening Sky]
[X] Reformation


Reformation has the Praxis colour, thus proving it's superiority over mere Red options.
 
Index updated, line separators removed, and so on. Tag me if I've missed anything.
Hers is magic as Science, the technical manipulation of symbols with control over underlying reality, expressed ideally through the medium of appropriate energies but imperfectly through runes of air, stone, ice, steel, or flame.
What I'm getting from this is that Augustine as a companion would've been so incredibly broken. Her problem was that she had to work with an imperfect substrate, writing her runes in iron rather than findross. But you know what we've had multiple chances to turn companions into? Sorceresses. Slice Fate would've enabled making Letrizia the Devouring Sorceress, Shadow Mastery has unlocked Threnody for Aeira. Wonder what Augustine's Sorcerous title would have been? Assuming she didn't graduate straight to 'definite article + noun' territory, anyway.
 
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