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Tyrant_Rayne
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22 are voting for 3 picks out of 59. That's only about 37%.
E: sorry Zampano, beat you to the punch.
E: sorry Zampano, beat you to the punch.
In general, I don't know. In this case, it looks like the only three pick plan is the winning one, and there are 22 people voting for it. So about 38%.
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I was too slow.
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Arguably, votes from Resonant and Tooslow also qualify as 3 pick plans, which would be 24 out of 59 or 40%22 are voting for 3 picks out of 59. That's only about 37%.
E: sorry Zampano, beat you to the punch.
I'm going to be p salty if a plan can be ahead of the alternatives by 6 or 13 votes and still lose, tbh
i guess I'd better try to sneak in a little extra mining before the vote closes
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(Posted prematurely in an attempt to bridge the gap to 50% for a 3-pick plan, instead of saving it to pay off my debts)
((The 2-pick version of intense research is much much worse))
Part 1: Fan Response to The Furthermost Reaches, begun around the end of the voting cycle for Spoils of the Tyrant, and completed around the end of the voting cycle for The Precipitous Span. (That means that I hadn't seen the time skip options when I started, but I had seen the reveal of RW.)
This fan- reaction is brought to you by 'paying for my debts because I promised to write some fan- works back when I had way more time', by the volatile fluctuations in Arete generation, and byfreeloaders Lurkers Like You.
(That strikethrough might not be funny to people who remember me mostly for my negative attitude during August, but let me assure you that if you had just taught accelerated summer courses of intermediate economics for 12 consecutive weeks, you would have also learned to interpret even casual mention of vocab terms like "tragedy of the commons" as the height of wit.(The alternative is calling out 100% of students for being bad at pandering when they are asking to be given higher grades.))
It's worth mentioning that this is something like the second or third sentence out of Gisena after the battle is over. The Hyena Dragon Astral Beast has barely begun to settle into rigor mortis and the Banter has already begun. Strange made a joke on Discord about the dialectic between Hunger and Gisena in terms of making dumb plans and good plans, but their banter is more fundamental than something as pedestrian as "actions taken in response to stimulus from the outside world." Gisena and Hunger would banter if they were left alone in a padded room. Gisena and Hunger would banter while being murdered by 8 year old Itachi Augustine herself. Gisena and Hunger banter because Gisena is just smart enough to know that Hunger needs something from her. What we've seen in her Interlude suggests that she already knows some things about him, in a sort of Tattletale / BBC Sherlock- style cold reading.
It's certain that her cold- read observed his injuries: missing an arm and an eye are easy details to notice. She might be able to infer the missing lung & organs; she managed to deduce an entire linguistic / symbolic complex from two data points. (Impressive technobabble nonsense though that feat may be, it's not the point of this reaction so I won't dispute it any further yet.) It's reasonable to think that her cold- read could have revealed that he used to have a dramatically more powerful fighting style; there are lots of tropes about fighters who have lost their power developing 'tells' where they start to use a move that would require more developed muscles or skills, but then stop and do a simpler technique to show diagetically that their abilities have slipped. Given the revelations about her improved perceptions of supernatural phenomena, she likely has already glimpsed parts of the Curse loadout: Decimator's Affliction is particularly visible, I suspect.
What she does with this cold- read is to introduce herself in a way that probes but does not activate the Doom of the Tyrant. She establishes herself as an expert, and as an asset. And she makes an implicit offer of continued assistance by referring to "consultations" as though traveling together is a foregone conclusion.
Some of these are Doylist considerations, and some have been introduced (or hand waved) diagetically through Hunger & the players' knowledge about Gisena's status as a Lesser Remittance. But even with the gameplay expectation that of course Gisena is friendly, Rihaku has done a really excellent job of having our companion join up without too much friction about why the party needs to come together. That's step 0 in any DnD campaign, after all.
Here we see Hunger's instincts, which are the utility half of his Accretion magic system. Doing this reread after the Realm of Myth has helped me to see how the playerbase focuses too much on one ability or another, without thinking too much about how Hunger's overall build might accomplish a particular goal. Here, Hunger wants to get information about the mysterious giant robot. He is a (i) a Cursebearer who is (ii) a veteran of a vicious war, who has (iii) accretion- based plot contrivance instincts. The way that a Main Character gets information is to either trust (or distrust) the new phenomenon, and then be proved right (or wrong) by new developments.
Here, we do not yet know that our curses are the relevant part of the build. Providing a write-in that specifies anything about Hunger's particular abilities is difficult without access to his instincts & sixth sense provided by supernatural "astral pressure." However, providing a write-in that seeks to make Hunger more wary or trusting of the Robot leaves Rihaku free to let the Main Character react to information that would never be included in the narrative. There's a lot left in the chapter so I'm going to move on but this idea of "objectives, not methods" is something that I will try to adopt in future tactics posts.
(Of course tactics depend on our abilities, but "use the Ring of Hunger to make Avecarn bleed out" is harder to fit into the narrative than "rely on our enormous stamina and health-bar to outlast the enemy" (just to throw out the first fight that comes to mind (tactics for Vanreir would have been hard-pressed to come up with the invincible ring counter, imo)).
I didn't remember this passage at all. I did a quick text search for "name" in Reader mode page 1, but ctrl+F didn't immediately reveal why claiming another name would slip from his mind. That implies that the damage from the Shattering Blow against the Tyrant did not just burn up pieces of his existing identity, but instead it burned out the important bits. There's now a hole in the Cursebearer where a name should be. That's something that Rihaku seems to put a lot of weight on. In Bleach Quest, Ishida was always identifying himself with reference to his role as a Quincy who is also a Tailor. In the Unnamed Quest, the mentor was named Control, which is almost certainly not his birthname. There's a protagonist called Nameless, and I'm 90% sure that Ulyssian / Odyssial have some kind of true name & identity nonsense. The passage about Mardukth and eating the moon that was posted as a counter argument to the Absorb the Tower of Earth vote also had amnesia & rejection of names as a key component.
Basically, I'm saying that Rihaku is a fey. The power of names in determining or affirming identity is a recurring feature. That's actually one of my favorite parts of his (their?) writing. Fixating on names has kind of an old timey tone that evokes the epithets of ancient epics. It's not something that I've been able to recreate, because it requires restraint to avoid sounding too forced. Rihaku manages to make the grandiose tone feel coherent and natural to read.
Two things are happening in this passage, besides banter. First, we get a snippet about Hunger's name that I'm 90% sure is a remnant of Rihaku's initial outline that was agnostic between Seven Seals / Accretion as the default magic systems. The bit about the name binding the Decimator's Affliction really makes more sense to me in light of Seven Seals description about how the Seal (or name) of an object can be manipulated to create changes in the object itself. Seven Seals is the ability to equivocate between signifier and signified, which is what Hunger (the man) is doing with Hunger (the ring).
The second thing that happens is that Rihaku establishes the limit of Hunger's knowledge & emotional stance towards his previous life. The mention of being deposed does not prompt any more soul searching or angst (which is very welcome) and provides another front in the Banter game for Gisena's jokes (which is somewhat less welcome). This is a good choice for the narrative because build votes are just more fun when they are set in the present, rather than retroactive decisions about what happened in the past. The issue I have with retroactive vote choices is that all winning votes must be assumed to lead to the present moment, which limits what kind of comparisons or differences can even exist between the vote options.
Rihaku did a really good job of orienting the quest towards immediate concerns & leaving Hunger's past as mostly a blur.
Letrizia! I really liked her introduction as a third wheel to interrupt Gisena when the banter got to be too extreme. Her charisma was a threat to the narrative itself when concentrated against Hunger himself. The story is better for having additional characters who get screentime. Letrizia's introduction is highly relatable to me, personally, because I often feel like I am putting on a front to sound authoritative while checking the manual for details as often as possible.
Letrizia ends up getting sidelined for the entire Temple Arc, and Versch remains too damaged to contribute meaningfully even as of the most recent update. I'm optimistic that as we leave the Voyaging Realm, her plotline will drive the thread to give her some Arete & we'll see her grow up a little more. (I've got a theory that signing up with Hunger let her indulge in some previously suppressed immaturity, but the return to the HS will be a sobering wakeup call and we'll see the side of her character that is responsible for managing a walking war- crime.
End of part 1
(Posted prematurely in an attempt to bridge the gap to 50% for a 3-pick plan, instead of saving it to pay off my debts)
((The 2-pick version of intense research is much much worse))
Part 1: Fan Response to The Furthermost Reaches, begun around the end of the voting cycle for Spoils of the Tyrant, and completed around the end of the voting cycle for The Precipitous Span. (That means that I hadn't seen the time skip options when I started, but I had seen the reveal of RW.)
This fan- reaction is brought to you by 'paying for my debts because I promised to write some fan- works back when I had way more time', by the volatile fluctuations in Arete generation, and by
(That strikethrough might not be funny to people who remember me mostly for my negative attitude during August, but let me assure you that if you had just taught accelerated summer courses of intermediate economics for 12 consecutive weeks, you would have also learned to interpret even casual mention of vocab terms like "tragedy of the commons" as the height of wit.
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It's worth mentioning that this is something like the second or third sentence out of Gisena after the battle is over. The Hyena Dragon Astral Beast has barely begun to settle into rigor mortis and the Banter has already begun. Strange made a joke on Discord about the dialectic between Hunger and Gisena in terms of making dumb plans and good plans, but their banter is more fundamental than something as pedestrian as "actions taken in response to stimulus from the outside world." Gisena and Hunger would banter if they were left alone in a padded room. Gisena and Hunger would banter while being murdered by 8 year old Itachi Augustine herself. Gisena and Hunger banter because Gisena is just smart enough to know that Hunger needs something from her. What we've seen in her Interlude suggests that she already knows some things about him, in a sort of Tattletale / BBC Sherlock- style cold reading.
It's certain that her cold- read observed his injuries: missing an arm and an eye are easy details to notice. She might be able to infer the missing lung & organs; she managed to deduce an entire linguistic / symbolic complex from two data points. (Impressive technobabble nonsense though that feat may be, it's not the point of this reaction so I won't dispute it any further yet.) It's reasonable to think that her cold- read could have revealed that he used to have a dramatically more powerful fighting style; there are lots of tropes about fighters who have lost their power developing 'tells' where they start to use a move that would require more developed muscles or skills, but then stop and do a simpler technique to show diagetically that their abilities have slipped. Given the revelations about her improved perceptions of supernatural phenomena, she likely has already glimpsed parts of the Curse loadout: Decimator's Affliction is particularly visible, I suspect.
What she does with this cold- read is to introduce herself in a way that probes but does not activate the Doom of the Tyrant. She establishes herself as an expert, and as an asset. And she makes an implicit offer of continued assistance by referring to "consultations" as though traveling together is a foregone conclusion.
Some of these are Doylist considerations, and some have been introduced (or hand waved) diagetically through Hunger & the players' knowledge about Gisena's status as a Lesser Remittance. But even with the gameplay expectation that of course Gisena is friendly, Rihaku has done a really excellent job of having our companion join up without too much friction about why the party needs to come together. That's step 0 in any DnD campaign, after all.
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Here we see Hunger's instincts, which are the utility half of his Accretion magic system. Doing this reread after the Realm of Myth has helped me to see how the playerbase focuses too much on one ability or another, without thinking too much about how Hunger's overall build might accomplish a particular goal. Here, Hunger wants to get information about the mysterious giant robot. He is a (i) a Cursebearer who is (ii) a veteran of a vicious war, who has (iii) accretion- based plot contrivance instincts. The way that a Main Character gets information is to either trust (or distrust) the new phenomenon, and then be proved right (or wrong) by new developments.
Here, we do not yet know that our curses are the relevant part of the build. Providing a write-in that specifies anything about Hunger's particular abilities is difficult without access to his instincts & sixth sense provided by supernatural "astral pressure." However, providing a write-in that seeks to make Hunger more wary or trusting of the Robot leaves Rihaku free to let the Main Character react to information that would never be included in the narrative. There's a lot left in the chapter so I'm going to move on but this idea of "objectives, not methods" is something that I will try to adopt in future tactics posts.
(Of course tactics depend on our abilities, but "use the Ring of Hunger to make Avecarn bleed out" is harder to fit into the narrative than "rely on our enormous stamina and health-bar to outlast the enemy" (just to throw out the first fight that comes to mind (tactics for Vanreir would have been hard-pressed to come up with the invincible ring counter, imo)).
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I didn't remember this passage at all. I did a quick text search for "name" in Reader mode page 1, but ctrl+F didn't immediately reveal why claiming another name would slip from his mind. That implies that the damage from the Shattering Blow against the Tyrant did not just burn up pieces of his existing identity, but instead it burned out the important bits. There's now a hole in the Cursebearer where a name should be. That's something that Rihaku seems to put a lot of weight on. In Bleach Quest, Ishida was always identifying himself with reference to his role as a Quincy who is also a Tailor. In the Unnamed Quest, the mentor was named Control, which is almost certainly not his birthname. There's a protagonist called Nameless, and I'm 90% sure that Ulyssian / Odyssial have some kind of true name & identity nonsense. The passage about Mardukth and eating the moon that was posted as a counter argument to the Absorb the Tower of Earth vote also had amnesia & rejection of names as a key component.
Basically, I'm saying that Rihaku is a fey. The power of names in determining or affirming identity is a recurring feature. That's actually one of my favorite parts of his (their?) writing. Fixating on names has kind of an old timey tone that evokes the epithets of ancient epics. It's not something that I've been able to recreate, because it requires restraint to avoid sounding too forced. Rihaku manages to make the grandiose tone feel coherent and natural to read.
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Two things are happening in this passage, besides banter. First, we get a snippet about Hunger's name that I'm 90% sure is a remnant of Rihaku's initial outline that was agnostic between Seven Seals / Accretion as the default magic systems. The bit about the name binding the Decimator's Affliction really makes more sense to me in light of Seven Seals description about how the Seal (or name) of an object can be manipulated to create changes in the object itself. Seven Seals is the ability to equivocate between signifier and signified, which is what Hunger (the man) is doing with Hunger (the ring).
The second thing that happens is that Rihaku establishes the limit of Hunger's knowledge & emotional stance towards his previous life. The mention of being deposed does not prompt any more soul searching or angst (which is very welcome) and provides another front in the Banter game for Gisena's jokes (which is somewhat less welcome). This is a good choice for the narrative because build votes are just more fun when they are set in the present, rather than retroactive decisions about what happened in the past. The issue I have with retroactive vote choices is that all winning votes must be assumed to lead to the present moment, which limits what kind of comparisons or differences can even exist between the vote options.
Rihaku did a really good job of orienting the quest towards immediate concerns & leaving Hunger's past as mostly a blur.
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Letrizia! I really liked her introduction as a third wheel to interrupt Gisena when the banter got to be too extreme. Her charisma was a threat to the narrative itself when concentrated against Hunger himself. The story is better for having additional characters who get screentime. Letrizia's introduction is highly relatable to me, personally, because I often feel like I am putting on a front to sound authoritative while checking the manual for details as often as possible.
Letrizia ends up getting sidelined for the entire Temple Arc, and Versch remains too damaged to contribute meaningfully even as of the most recent update. I'm optimistic that as we leave the Voyaging Realm, her plotline will drive the thread to give her some Arete & we'll see her grow up a little more. (I've got a theory that signing up with Hunger let her indulge in some previously suppressed immaturity, but the return to the HS will be a sobering wakeup call and we'll see the side of her character that is responsible for managing a walking war- crime.
End of part 1
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Also worth mentioning is that @ImperatorV has expressed intent to swap back to Triple Research, and is tactically voting to try to get Sightseeing/Praxis into the runoff. others have expressed preferences over what should be the 2nd place option in a potential consolidation vote...
Tyrant_Rayne
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I honestly don't care about the second option at all. All I want is sightseeing. If we can't relax a bit now when will we? It has been noted several times that Hungers characterization could get messed up to the point where he will stop relaxing all together. Let's take it slow now and then push ourselves when Pillars activates. In fact I'd like to get Rune King before we start doing praxis again. It's more efficient that way. So for now I'm going back to full comfy.
[X] Sightseeing
[X] Mentor's Duties
[X] Sightseeing
[X] Mentor's Duties
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We have arranged a literal time-stop so that we can have a 3 week vacation instead of goofing off while Adorie fights to heal the scars from a decade of fascism
So the answer is "in two weeks, when Pillars procs."
Tyrant_Rayne
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I think this is a better counter than anything I could come up with.
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I'm happy to argue against devil's advocacy, and have been doing so for a while now. The nature of a "more productive Pillars jaunt" is left completely ambiguous by Rihaku's post. Productivity is a measure of progress towards goals, and the goals of the Pillars jaunt for a Hunger that just decided to let Adorie flounder for two weeks while he took a walking tour with the Teenagers will be different from the goals of the Pillars jaunt for a Hunger who spent his time in the real world working for the betterment of fully three nations that he has conquered in the last month or so.
Like, relaxation in the real world comes at the cost of two weeks worth of time passing. These are critical, time-sensitive opportunities for political gain, improvement in Adorie's innate ability to rule, and access to academic resources worth ~26 Arete. Those are the goals of the Hunger that we've been playing for 3 months IRL. Sightseeing is inconsistent with the Hunger that we've created, and it's inconsistent with the Hunger that I want to create. Leaving Adorie to work alone on rebuilding her home after watching her half-sister's execution isn't a decision that I'm eager to see Hunger make.
Leaving Adorie to work alone while Hunger goofs off and takes a total of five weeks of vacation is something I'm happy to fight against.
Based American fighting against the
EDIT: Quick question - what is your view on unions?
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Policy Brief: A Mining Union? Selected Evidence from Omake Power Exchange Rates
#380 words
Instead, consider the Arete Miner's guild. Now, any Thomasfoolery, Darksidebard, or HoratioVonBecker could walk in off the street and sell some fan-content. They'd receive the going rate of vote power for their trouble, and the city of AST1 would be better off with the additional infusion of Arete. The city's participation bonus would also increment up a little bit. But what is the going rate? That calculation is completely opaque and allows no oversight whatsoever. The [Most High] simply churns out free high-quality content and participation rewards emerge along with this ambrosia.
A market with [Most High] as the sole buyer oflabor Fan-Content is the definition of monopsony. Byzantine et al. (AST1, month 2) demonstrated in their seminal thesis that the value of a Pick is partly stochastic. This evidence is weakly suggestive towards the idea that [Most High] is a perfect price discriminator; i.e. [Most High] pays exactly the amount of free high-quality content that each Arete miner is willing to accept for their material.
Given the sparsity of after-markets for Fan-content (see: the limited takeup of T0 Zampano Vote Markers as a medium of exchange, as well as the restricted availability of fractional HoratioVonBecker Markers) the Author can only conclude that fan-content will remain a monopsonized market for the foreseeable future. Considering the consistently high quality of output from [Most High], AST1 policymakers should be very cautious about interfering in the free market, or authorizing anyunion organization of Arete miners. Intervention in such an idiosyncratic market could prove disastrous!
Works cited:
Byzantine, Rihaku, Runeblue360. "A Thesis in Pick Science." AST1. Month 2, Temple Arc, Avecarn Fight Prelude. Mixed Media: Thread and Discord, retrieved as of post #42,439.
Sharkey_smt. "3 EFBs in a single update!" New AST Times. Post #38,818. Newspaper, retrieved as of post #42,439.
#380 words
Unions are an important component of the labor market when firms are large enough to operate as monopsonists. (This threshold is much easier to reach than you might predict!) I can ramble about the topic for a while but every example I reach for from the real world reminds me that the year is 2020, and that is a downer every single time I think about it.
Instead, consider the Arete Miner's guild. Now, any Thomasfoolery, Darksidebard, or HoratioVonBecker could walk in off the street and sell some fan-content. They'd receive the going rate of vote power for their trouble, and the city of AST1 would be better off with the additional infusion of Arete. The city's participation bonus would also increment up a little bit. But what is the going rate? That calculation is completely opaque and allows no oversight whatsoever. The [Most High] simply churns out free high-quality content and participation rewards emerge along with this ambrosia.
A market with [Most High] as the sole buyer of
Given the sparsity of after-markets for Fan-content (see: the limited takeup of T0 Zampano Vote Markers as a medium of exchange, as well as the restricted availability of fractional HoratioVonBecker Markers) the Author can only conclude that fan-content will remain a monopsonized market for the foreseeable future. Considering the consistently high quality of output from [Most High], AST1 policymakers should be very cautious about interfering in the free market, or authorizing any
Works cited:
Byzantine, Rihaku, Runeblue360. "A Thesis in Pick Science." AST1. Month 2, Temple Arc, Avecarn Fight Prelude. Mixed Media: Thread and Discord, retrieved as of post #42,439.
Sharkey_smt. "3 EFBs in a single update!" New AST Times. Post #38,818. Newspaper, retrieved as of post #42,439.
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I know some of those words so I will assume it is an insightful post.
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All that matters is that you got a citation! Make sure to update your google scholar page...
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Fanwork compensation, so to speak, is split into Aretegen and vote power, and only vote power portion is sellable to other voters.
Unionizing would concentrate vote power and increase burst intensity, making aretegen more efficient and fanwork producers a larger voting say, but at the price of sustained throughput because stockpiling reduces motivation of producer, thus reducing Rihaku's derived motivation from the fanwork (the product which is exchanged with Arete.)
Also it's difficult to see a majority of fanwork producers consistently uniting vote-wise, as Rihaku is pretty good at making votes with options that are not obviously holistically better than one another, so realistically it'd just be the aretegen efficiency at cost of personal vote power and Rihaku's derived motivation.
Additionally, while specifically only omakepower portion of vote has not been split off into its own commodity aside from votes as a whole, omakepower is often sold bundled with all other vote power- see markers with promises of 1k words or whatever to go along with them, reasonably often in the thread, and most markers are assumed to carry omakepower with them. Though the marker economy has slowed of late.
Conclusion still being that a union would probably be counterproductive, but disagreeing with some details.
Unionizing would concentrate vote power and increase burst intensity, making aretegen more efficient and fanwork producers a larger voting say, but at the price of sustained throughput because stockpiling reduces motivation of producer, thus reducing Rihaku's derived motivation from the fanwork (the product which is exchanged with Arete.)
Also it's difficult to see a majority of fanwork producers consistently uniting vote-wise, as Rihaku is pretty good at making votes with options that are not obviously holistically better than one another, so realistically it'd just be the aretegen efficiency at cost of personal vote power and Rihaku's derived motivation.
Additionally, while specifically only omakepower portion of vote has not been split off into its own commodity aside from votes as a whole, omakepower is often sold bundled with all other vote power- see markers with promises of 1k words or whatever to go along with them, reasonably often in the thread, and most markers are assumed to carry omakepower with them. Though the marker economy has slowed of late.
Conclusion still being that a union would probably be counterproductive, but disagreeing with some details.
[X] Sightseeing
[X] Regency
[D] More Power
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[X] Regency
[D] More Power
That won't happen because of Adorie.
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That is an enormous waste of Pillars.
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There was a pair of really insightful posts from runeblue360 responding to that idea:
Basically, we do not currently know what Pillars will look like. The only thing we know for sure is that we're going to have three weeks to figure it out. Those three weeks will go by without any time passing outside. That puts constraints on the kind of actions we can take. Any political action will be very constrained because we can't send emails out of a time-stop. Any investigation into the Mage Extraction Problem will be very constrained because we can't go exploring or looking for clues.
It would be an enormous waste of the Realm of Myth to spend our time here goofing off. Our time in the Realm of Myth is limited, and sightseeing squanders the opportunity to farm Rank, get free Empyrean Signs, and uplift two other countries at the same time. There are benefits from being involved in rebuilding a kingdom as powerful as Nilfel.
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- Pindorama
What, will Pillars give options with 26 Arete of value for free? That's certainly a bold claim to make. Working hard now and resting in the actual paradise realm seems like a much more efficient use of our time, frankly.
We know that curses are at 1 third strength and this.
Then why do you want to waste our time in the realm of evening when it can provide us with far more power than the realm of myth?
Why do you think that time spent in the realm of evening isn't as capable of providing us with power as time spent out of it when the realm of evening is strong enough to provide 7nth stage mitigation for all curses, and we've almost outscaled everything in our world in 2 months?
If we fight one 2 pick every day we will get 42 picks from pillars, we can of course fight more than one 2 pick every day so the value of Pillars vastly exceeds what we can get outside of it.
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- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
If Pillars produces that much value then we can afford to NOT train our hardest while in the Realm of Evening. 10 or 20 picks would almost certainly be enough to trivially outscale the Apocryphal Curse for the time being, so we could relax for half (or more!) the time in that scenario, especially if we've just unlocked two more Signs.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
You know, I really dislike taking a hit to Mental Stability here. But the arguments about that 26 Arete worth of value... They have merit. If we were given an option that just straight-up said "-1 Mental Stability, +25 Arete," I'd dislike it, but I might vote for it.
The empowered Apocryphal Proc is worrying, but with Pillars coming up we'll be able to clear any conditions we take, so unless it's as bad as Runes of Mastery then we can just eat a severe complication and heal it via Pillars later. Furthermore, the 5th Signs are super-modes that are costly to activate but absurdly powerful - if faced with a situation that would give us complications un-healable by Pillars, we could instead just pop the 5th Sign and win for a small rank loss.
So yeah, I've been persuaded by the Full Intensive combo. Still, we really need to do something about Mental Stability during the Pillars stay. If there's an option then that gives us less picks and/or other stuff for +Mental Stability, we should take it.
[X] Cursebearer's Strain
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Regency
[X] Intensive Research
The empowered Apocryphal Proc is worrying, but with Pillars coming up we'll be able to clear any conditions we take, so unless it's as bad as Runes of Mastery then we can just eat a severe complication and heal it via Pillars later. Furthermore, the 5th Signs are super-modes that are costly to activate but absurdly powerful - if faced with a situation that would give us complications un-healable by Pillars, we could instead just pop the 5th Sign and win for a small rank loss.
So yeah, I've been persuaded by the Full Intensive combo. Still, we really need to do something about Mental Stability during the Pillars stay. If there's an option then that gives us less picks and/or other stuff for +Mental Stability, we should take it.
[X] Cursebearer's Strain
[X] Consolidate Power
[X] Regency
[X] Intensive Research
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I mean, 2 picks per day x 21 days = 42 picks per proc, which at a rate of 7 Arete = 3 picks translates to ~98 Arete of value per month for free. So over the long run, I expect much, much more than "just" 26 Arete of free value from it.
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