I was writing a fan reaction and theorized that the best thing for tactics posts is to talk about intermediate goals, broadly, rather than specific methods.

So one broad goal might be to try to overwhelm the Apocalypse Engine: If there are more mages to track than before then it might lose track of one to three magi being smuggled out. We own three magic-using factions: disseminating their magic knowledge might be one way to distract the Voyaging Realm from our own activities.

An alternative broad goal would be to hide our magi: try to hide or obscure their status as magicians. One way to do this might be picking up a Divination system at the Walls of Myth and using it to find the Republic Kill Squad. During this downtime Gisena + Aeira might get some additional breakthroughs...

(By a huge margin, my preferred tactic for mage extraction is just relitigating the Long Voyage vote, tbh.)
 
Update coming in ~20.

"Queen of Nilfel..." Adorie said quietly, almost wistful. "Not since my childhood had I envisioned such a role for myself in the future. At some point I must have resigned myself to be the princess in the tower for ever. And now, all of a sudden, it's upon us! Isn't it strange how life turns out sometimes?"

"I'm condemned to live in interesting times. My expectations for life can't be applied to the typical order of things. And there had better be nothing strange about the trade agreements we brokered, Miss Queen-to-be."

"Of course not!" She said, feigning shock. "The word of Mirellyian is as good as our bond, you'll see. Favorable as those agreements may be to your ever-distant backwater."


"We don't all have a well of primordial Myth upon which to succor our realms. Kind of you to finally distribute the good fortune."


Adorie adopted an air of faux-haughtiness. "Nay, my lord. 'Twas not our kindness, but your valor, which earned that right for your benighted peoples. At last they shall, through communion with our body politic, arise from provincial squalor to the light of true civilization!"

"Truly I'm humbled by this opportunity for our Royal family to single-handedly destroy all your enemies and put you upon the throne. Let us know if your kingdom ever needs saving again."
 
So one broad goal might be to try to overwhelm the Apocalypse Engine: If there are more mages to track than before then it might lose track of one to three magi being smuggled out. We own three magic-using factions: disseminating their magic knowledge might be one way to distract the Voyaging Realm from our own activities.
hrm... it might also backfire, causing it to throw up its hands and send down meteors
 
hrm... it might also backfire, causing it to throw up its hands and send down meteors
Yes, but that's the genius of tactics posts. We don't have to come up with methods that will *work* so much as ideas that Hunger might consider. He knows more than we do about the mechanics of magecraft, and he has Accretion-backed instincts. We just have to pitch ideas at him.

One sustainable way to do that is to simply list off all of Hunger's powers & abilities at the end of each vote, but that gets old quickly. Tactics posts that focus on short-term goals are a renewable resource.
 
Yes, but that's the genius of tactics posts. We don't have to come up with methods that will *work* so much as ideas that Hunger might consider. He knows more than we do about the mechanics of magecraft, and he has Accretion-backed instincts. We just have to pitch ideas at him.

One sustainable way to do that is to simply list off all of Hunger's powers & abilities at the end of each vote, but that gets old quickly. Tactics posts that focus on short-term goals are a renewable resource.
That's an interesting way of thinking about it. If we encounter a memetic hazard, and discuss it heavily in the thread, could we actually be putting Hunger in even more risk?

Well, it wouldn't be the first time.
 
That's an interesting way of thinking about it. If we encounter a memetic hazard, and discuss it heavily in the thread, could we actually be putting Hunger in even more risk?

Well, it wouldn't be the first time.
i mean, we saw this in action by way of [ ] Absorb the Tower of Earth

I think there's room for an interesting diagetic / mechanical interaction if Rihaku were to attack our discussion with a meme hazard. on the other hand, do you really want Hunger to cut through the voters? or to use Shattering Blow on the Omake index?

Some avenues upward along the ISH detour into gimmick instead of meta
 
We actually did have some stuff back in Terrascape, with Strategists knowingly offering us Depth/rewards for making Arthur do stuff he wanted to do.
 
An Age of Dreams
An Age of Dreams

There was light, and suddenly Augustine's enchantments failed around her, spellcraft become fleeting delusion like a dissipating dream. Freed of her soul-binding prison Hunger surged forth, blade alight with the glow of the Praxis, and struck her down. Waves and torrents of Nullity tore through the Lord Protector's form, neutralizing every trick and contingency, now mere matter to be efficiently slain.

All that she built was ripped from her in an instant, and by the very Sorceress that reminded her of her mother, the so-called 'Purple Bitch.' In truth it had all gone so perfectly, and with such choreographed grace, that he wondered sometimes on the truth of Augustine's paranoia. He thought at times of her disposition in those final brutal moments, whether she'd despaired or remained steadfast to the end. Beneath the mask of iron there had been no telling, and nothing left of her body to witness its expression.

There were revelations, in the wake of Augustine's demise: Gisena's ascension, her now-verified theory of Foremost magic, the nature and possible identity of her Maiden progenitor. Savaged in spirit by Augustine's last trap, Hunger could not maintain his focus on such affairs, and withdrew into a period of solitary meditation.

Absolute clarity and focus had been the pre-requisites for anything approaching effectiveness against the Tyrant. That he'd fared as poorly as he had was perhaps a condemnation of his ability to achieve such, but nonetheless he'd been taught the methods to try.

Time passed, and empowered by his Ring, his spirit slowly recovered.

He stood now at the site of their battle against Augustine. The warped space had reverted to normality, but the fields were still barren of life, poisoned by the undying malice of her blood-and-iron magics.

The aftermath of victory, he mused, could be a surprisingly hollow affair. After the rush of triumphal satisfaction came the ever-present question: what now? Regardless of victory or defeat - save for the final defeat which preceded nothing - life was a series of answers to that question, and the quality of one's answers characterized the tenor of one's life.

Sharp was the contrast between the immediacy of a job well-done and the prospect of a future that was uncertain once more. They'd won; what now?

He was being more philosophical than usual, in the wake of another victory delivered by Gisena's hand. The renaissance-woman had co-opted Augustine's sorcery into her own Graces, thereby also somehow ascending to become a nascent version of her own magical forebear, the Maiden who had delivered humanity from the depredations of the Manifest Realm. Alongside her new transformation had come a broad increase in all attributes; though Hunger with his world-bestriding Rank was still capable of conversing with her normally, her now-transcendental force of charm and heart-rending personal beauty left the kids staggered and helpless before her whims.

Of course, Gisena was not one ever to hold back socially, preferring instead to use the full force of her charms to tease, manipulate, fluster and bamboozle her interlocutor as a means of amusing herself - the actual objective of her persuasion being a foregone and secondary conclusion. He shuddered to think what damage she could do had his personal Rank not advanced sufficiently to check her influence.

"Augustine," Hunger shook his head, surveying the wreckage of the Lady Protector's estate, her towers of earth and adamant now torn down around them, soil of her ramparts reduced to smoldering ruin. The air was choked with ash and dross; sky the color of freshly-spilled blood: Augustine's final preparations had exacted brutal sacrifices from caster and domain both. They were fortunate not to have given her any more time, lest the entire realm of Nilfel, rather than this single battlefield, have been reduced to this dire state.

Beside him, Adorie nodded. "She... was a worthy opponent, wasn't she, Lord Hunger? At least she went down fighting, the only way she knew how."

"All her powers torn down in an instant by Gisena, not the most pleasant way to go. If she could have reined in her less ethical proclivities, she would have been a powerful ally," Hunger said. "To think she nearly overcame us despite the vast gulf in Pressure and physical might... She was undoubtedly a prodigy, though ours proved the stronger in the end."

Pointedly he looked at Gisena, happily trawling through the ruins for intact runes, followed by the kids like ducklings who served as her gophers.

"Don't tell her I said that. Her ego doesn't need more feeding."

Now that she was (presumably) capable of producing Graces over time as her Maiden had, Gisena had taken to the magical arts with the same poorly-suppressed enthusiasm she'd once reserved for technological inventions. He worried in fact that she was overflowing with so many ideas it would hamper her growth from lack of focus.

"Naturally, I won't tell," Adorie said, stifling a giggle. "I hear Lady Gisena has declared some form of contest against me. Even if I am uncertain as to its nature, it would be remiss to give an advantage to my rival princess."

As the only other member of their impromptu expedition whose Rank offered resistance to Gisena's wiles, the Princess was one of the few with which he could discuss the Sorceress without expecting his words to get back to her.

"Don't worry about it. Soon you'll be Queen Mirellyian. No longer a valid target. Everyone knows queens are no threats to princesses, they always lose direct contests."

"Queen of Nilfel..." Adorie said quietly, almost wistful. "Not since my childhood had I envisioned such a role for myself in the future. At some point I must have resigned myself to be the princess in the tower for ever. And now, all of a sudden, it's upon us! Isn't it strange how life turns out sometimes?"

"I'm condemned to live in interesting times. My expectations for life can't be applied to the typical order of things. And there had better be nothing strange about the trade agreements we brokered, Miss Queen-to-be."

"Of course not!" She said, feigning shock. "The word of Mirellyian is as good as our bond, you'll see. Favorable as those agreements may be to your ever-distant backwater."

"We don't all have a well of primordial Myth upon which to succor our realms. Kind of you to finally distribute the good fortune."

Adorie adopted an air of faux-haughtiness. "Nay, my lord. 'Twas not our kindness, but your valor, which earned that right for your benighted peoples. At last they shall, through communion with our body politic, arise from provincial squalor to the light of true civilization!"

"Truly I'm humbled by this opportunity for our Royal family to single-handedly destroy all your enemies and put you upon the throne. Let us know if your kingdom ever needs saving again."

"Should Augustine's mother resume activity, I shall send you a courier forthwith!"

---

There was much in Nilfel still to be dealt with, the remnant vestiges of the Lord Protector's power which had infiltrated and ruled every echelon of society above the grassroots, loyalist enclaves and the more bloodthirsty Legions to be beaten into surrender. Decapitated and rootless, these final partisans stood little chance against Hunger's overwhelming might, but the process of re-integration and legitimization would still be a gradual one. Under Augustine's influence the national spirit had become one of arrogant domination, and not all of the blame for that transformation could be laid at the Lord Protector's feet.

Nonetheless, the Mirellyian Restoration was largely considered a success, lightning-swift and sure in its execution; and though some grumbled at the Princess' use of foreign mercenaries, many agreed that her cause was ultimately just.

The large faction of entrenched interests that had both profited from Augustine's expansionary wars and reveled in the self-congratulatory supremacy of their uncontested might found in Hunger the antithesis of their modus operandi: for if a foreign interloper could embody such power in his own personage alone, what was there to say about Nilfellian greatness, really?

Those who did not merely believe, but vocally supported, the ideology of 'might makes right' found their fundamental precepts abruptly lacking in the face of a power even greater than their own.

With Hunger's nation-spanning Rank smoothing the path forward, much of the work that otherwise accompanied even a successful change in government was taken care of with relative ease. For the first time in several weeks, Hunger had possession of a luxury he'd been hard-pressed to find since his induction as a Cursebearer: the appearance of spare time.

Of course, there was still Aobaru's fated opponent on the horizon, an enemy supposedly capable of challenging even a Progression-type Cursebearer, as well as the problem of extracting the kids - all magi - from the Voyaging Realm intact. They had precious few leads on the nature or qualities of the Voyaging Realm's "apocalyptic" ban on magus export, and most of what was known was held in Republic data-banks far away within the Human Sphere.

Hunger considered the divinatory entity again, but did not want to incur its rapidly-escalating cost when other avenues of research were readily available. This was a situation with some urgency, but not to the pressing level necessitated by the Lord Protector. They had time to investigate and potentially even develop relevant capabilities.

Their defeat of Augustine had empowered his Cloak again, though the capability he'd gained was oddly time-limited; not until the hour of the new moon would he be able to witness the full scope of this new power, though by feel (and Sorcerous examination) they had concluded that it granted access to a parallel dimension of some kind.

Today, however, he was in council with Gisena while the kids worked on repairing Verschlengorge, adopting large-scale Nilfellian enchantments in place of his badly-degraded technological weapons and armor systems. For objectivity's sake he could no longer consult with the children and Gisena in the same room, as she would inevitably convince them of the rightness of her cause regardless of its soundness.

"Have you considered bridling your powers somewhat?" He asked. "I'm concerned that even your passive influence will have permanent effects on the kids."

The Cloak of Evening served that purpose for him; he'd tapped its powers to conceal the mind-searing apparition of glory that otherwise reduced ordinary humans to awestruck followers. It was difficult to engage otherwise, though Gisena's social technique was both more refined and insidious.

"Holding back is no fun," Gisena pouted, playing with a strand of gossamer hair. "Instead, I've been working on a Grace that effectively nullifies the permanent consequences for onlookers. That way, the whole world can appreciate my beauty at all times! It's been trickier than expected. Human minds gravitate towards the strongest positive stimulus, and prolonged exposure reshapes naturally behavior as a matter of course. I'm not sure how the Maiden did it!"

"Admitting that your Maiden was smarter than you? I see your humility has leveled-up as well."

"The Maiden was a genius," Gisena said firmly, "though quite possibly possessed of unfair advantages which I didn't receive, so how could you compare the two?"

"Apply your own genius towards our problems," Hunger admonished. "We've still got to return Letrizia to the Human Sphere and eventually conquer it, all while protecting Aobaru from his fated nemesis. While the Decimation is staved off, we should use this time to research a means of safely removing mages from the Voyaging Realm."

"A girl's got so much research on her plate," Gisena sighed. "If the Republic, a high-technology civilization comprising thousands of worlds, has been trying and mostly-failing to avoid the consequences for millennia, do you really expect me to magically pull out a solution in less than a month?"

"Yes," Hunger said seriously.

"Aww," she wrapped an arm around his. "You always know just what to say. I've got you perfectly trained!"

"I praise you, you do all the work; everyone wins. It's a good arrangement."

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Ah ha! Through the power of anticipating, I have gotten Hunger himself to give an unadorned 'Yes' to a serious question! Delicious.
 
Holding back is no fun," Gisena pouted, playing with a strand of gossamer hair. "Instead, I've been working on a Grace that effectively nullifies the permanent consequences for onlookers.
I'd have aimed to give everyone around me +'s to temperance instead, but this way she still gets the benefit of people agreeing with her without having to obviously turn her powers against them. A different approach more suited to her, I think.
 
the Republic, a high-technology civilization comprising thousands of worlds, has been trying and mostly-failing to avoid the consequences for millennia
This is crucial information that I didn't know for sure already: the Republic has triggered the Apocalypse at least once before!

Instead of worrying about preventing the apocalypse, we could just try to survive it. Grabbing the 5th Empyrean Sign for Armor or party defensive buffs would be one way to meet the power of the Voyaging Realm with Power of our own...
 
"A girl's got so much research on her plate," Gisena sighed. "If the Republic, a high-technology civilization comprising thousands of worlds, has been trying and mostly-failing to avoid the consequences for millennia, do you really expect me to magically pull out a solution in less than a month?"

"Yes," Hunger said seriously.
Hunger, as always, is a chad.

 
Gisena does have access now to what is ostensibly a Foremost magic. Achieving magus-extraction by essentially just telling the Voyaging Realm that the extraction is authorized seems like it might be within reach?

-e

Also, man, we have the next two weeks to just work on stuff, plus Pillars time? Five whole weeks of free time...I wish I could get five weeks of vacation in real life.
 
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Those who did not merely believe, but vocally supported, the ideology of 'might makes right' found their fundamental precepts abrupter lacking in the face of a power even greater than their own.
Abruptly?
"I praise you, you do all the work; everyone wins. It's a good arrangement."
Wow, big Nameless energy happening here.

Of course Gisena would take the route of inventing a Grace that protects from the negative effects of supernal Charisma instead of simply inventing one that lets her dial down her stats. It is utterly unsurprising to me that she would lean so hard on being able to keep an App boost on permanently; it seems like her style. That said, if she really wants to make things harder for herself, I guess it's her right considering the EFB gains.

Will be interesting to see what the vote update brings in terms of options.
 
Indeed! We've never failed to use a pick before, as far as I recall. Maybe we automatically bought Opalescence? One can only hope.
 
Lovely update, a great breather and chance to take stock.

There was light, and suddenly Augustine's enchantments failed around her, spellcraft become fleeting delusion like a dissipating dream. Freed of her soul-binding prison Hunger surged forth, blade alight with the glow of the Praxis, and struck her down. Waves and torrents of Nullity tore through the Lord Protector's form, neutralizing every trick and contingency, now mere matter to be efficiently slain.

Huh. Does this mean the True Nullity is selective? Or is our Power of Ruin sufficient to shield us from it, at least when Gisena isn't actually targeting us?
 
Alright, lets consider currently topical issue of mage extraction and means to accomplish it:
  1. This update gives us hint about Republic having relevant information. As such, this could be the most obvious course of action - leave Aobaru and Aeria behind, go in HS and then trade or steal that data
  2. As I've mentioned before, Hunger's answer to any dilemma could be just summoning relevant Astral entity. This update somewhat nixed that line of thought as Hunger commented on summoning divinatory-kun as inefficient, which presumably also excludes entities that can do extractions by themselves or can go and steal Republic data
  3. On the other hand, we can just walk straight into trap and trigger apocalyptic events. You know what they say - one's man apocalyptic event is another man's FREE pick!
  4. Pillars of Evening allow us to store people in a pocket dimension. While current version doesn't allow us to carry people inside while we are not there due to instant duration, perhaps some upgrade might allow us to do so, allowing us to solve this problem
  5. Likewise, we might try to cheese Nightmare Flight. It requires places to be under "same sky", but as we've discussed previously, it's maybe possible to have Gisena create an artifact or a grace that would make area count as under sky of Voyaging Realm for purpose of teleportation
  6. Of course, we could just let Gisena do her thing and develop a solution. This ranges from her working with Aeria to just hide kids from VR senses, over teleporting them out or sealing them into object or pocket dimension to just developing ressurection and killing them here and ressing them later(presumably, Aobaru would need to die beyond our means to recover him for Apo trigger)
The main question here is one of timing. Do we wait for Pillars to trigger and give Gisena a lot of time to work with, or do we try and finish this before the proc? At this point we should be about 10 or so day to the proc.

Speaking of Pillars of Evening, we know that it can be used to create stuff to fight. However, one possibility I didn't see mentioned is that we can create people to converse with or to have them teach us. In particular, given the vision from OaF I, we might be capable of creating a phantom of Forebear himself. I'm sure that would be interesting.
 
Hmm. Could we hunt down the Republic Kill Team? They're like what, Rank 6.5 or so? They haven't necessarily managed to leave the Voyaging Realm at this point, considering how little time has passed. Those guys would almost certainly have the necessary info, even if we'd need Gisena to craft a divination Grace to learn of their existence and location first.
 
I was getting worried with the lack of updates. Not to say that I want Rihaku to prioritize this quest above all other concerns like real life but the pattern of ever prolonging time between updates usually marks the abandonment of the quest. I just don't want this to end yet what with it being the first forum quest I participated in and that I'm really enjoying the story.

With that out of the way, discussion!

This update gives us hint about Republic having relevant information. As such, this could be the most obvious course of action - leave Aobaru and Aeria behind, go in HS and then trade or steal that data
Why bother and risk an Apocryphal boosted ban to the face? Divinatory powers should be the way to go whether ones we develop (i.e. Hunger and Gisena) or Nifel magics or artifacts. And also, lets not underestimate even the baseline version. After all, the ban might scale on the power of the beings extracted or power "stolen" from the Voyaging Realm.

Pillars of Evening allow us to store people in a pocket dimension. While current version doesn't allow us to carry people inside while we are not there due to instant duration, perhaps some upgrade might allow us to do so, allowing us to solve this problem
Pillars is not about "storing" though. Its theme seems more about accessing a different realm or a new world, not a pocket dimension to store stuff into. Its quirks like time not flowing outside and not being able to extract non-perishable items seems to suggest so. A way to store people seems more in line with Seven Seals/Heavenly Tomb.
 
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Well, I suppose we can try unlocking our Soul Evocation, The Imprisoner, and see if that does stuff we need. Maiden Gisena should be able to do that fairly easily, her machinery speciality explicitly allows creation of magic-awakening artifacts.
 
Pillars is not about "storing" though. Its theme seems more about accessing a different realm or a new world, not a pocket dimension to store stuff into. Its quirks like time not flowing outside seems to suggest so. A way to store people seems more in line with Seven Seals/Heavenly Tomb.
Pathway allows us to access Pillars of Evening in a way that makes time flow as it does in the normal world. As such, it's only matter of finding a way to let people be there when we are not.
Why bother and risk an Apocryphal boosted ban to the face? Divinatory powers should be the way to go whether ones we develop (i.e. Hunger and Gisena) or Nifel magics or artifacts. And also, lets not underestimate even the baseline version. After all, the ban might scale on the power of the beings extracted or power "stolen" from the Voyaging Realm.
I get the feeling that you didn't actually read what I've said. Please do.
 
All that she built was ripped from her in an instant, and by the very Sorceress that reminded her of her mother, the so-called 'Purple Bitch.' In truth it had all gone so perfectly, and with such choreographed grace, that he wondered sometimes on the truth of Augustine's paranoia. He thought at times of her disposition in those final brutal moments, whether she'd despaired or remained steadfast to the end. Beneath the mask of iron there had been no telling, and nothing left of her body to witness its expression.

It's kind of sad. Even if Augustine was a warcriminal, she was still like 20 years old. Prodigy or not, that's barely more than a teenager. She should've been in college or something, not plotting the slaughter of millions to avenge her genetically engineered siblings. Seriously, that's some real Metal Gear Solid shit, it would be almost a dead ringer if she was more antagonistic to Adorie. I'd like to think that, in a better world, she would have been one of Nilfel's greatest heroes. While I don't think we should resurrect her, we should try avenge her if possible.
 
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