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Hmm, if we want to start a mercenary band now would be the best time to begin recruitment. We're likely to find people with useful skills that are currently rather helpless. The best time to make an offer. It'll also likely help our sales pitch in the future to have more than 1-2 people.

This seems like it would've worked better with errantry or seek artifacts but might work with our Letz focus. Claim we're skeptical about the promised payment and we'd rather have something tangible now and get her to take some detours so we can pick up some troops.

Well, that specific tack might potentially backfire and offend her while costing us future money, but we should be able to come up with something. Perhaps reframe the expedition if she does this from her getting lost and skulking back home, to her having plumbed the furthest reaches and returned in glory on her own terms.

Or... Since she seems pretty by the book, we could read that manual and try to come up with some plausible sounding interpretation of instructions inside that justifies it. Restoring Verschlengorge might be a good hook?
 
Microwave MKII said:
voidspace Hello Kitty backpack is a go
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Great!!

runeblue360 said:
I second this motion. Everything about it is pure gold, from Hunger being done with this shit to Gisena sensing weakness to the infinite cosmos of wonder we can see within that Hello Kitty backpack. The image cleared my skin and watered my crops.
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Just wait until it enters its Battle Form to fight by your side. Its ribbon immunizes it to status effects, and it vomits the night sky.

Thomasfoolery said:
Hmm, if we want to start a mercenary band now would be the best time to begin recruitment. We're likely to find people with useful skills that are currently rather helpless. The best time to make an offer. It'll also likely help our sales pitch in the future to have more than 1-2 people.
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Hm... but the Decimator's Affliction makes such things truly dangerous for any prospective recruits. You have it sated for now, but would Hunger even allow himself to stay around people long-term without some more advanced mitigation?
 
Rihaku said:
[ ] Gisena Allria, the Nullity Sorceress
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I stopped thinking of Gisena in terms of points once she became a character, but we did in fact use one of our lesser remittances on her. She's doing serious work, and we haven't even had curses mitigated yet. Fighting gribblies and pirates at the same time would've sucked. Was a good choice.
 
Rihaku said:
Hm... but the Decimator's Affliction makes such things truly dangerous for any prospective recruits. You have it sated for now, but would Hunger even allow himself to stay around people long-term without some more advanced mitigation?
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I would say yes. He signed up for an eternity of conquest and murder after all, if he wasn't willing to accept some collateral damage of innocents I don't think he'd have done that. I guess he might try to play musical chairs and just siphon off a bit of each world while he explores his options first, whether that's really the more moral thing to do seems as opposed to just less in your face consequences seems questionable to me though.

Maybe just sign them on to shorter term contracts if he really has serious qualms about it. A year of work/10% of your life force is still a decent deal compared to the very high chance just dying stuck in the reaches. Even that short amount of time would give him some more scaling while also getting his name out.
 
Projectile said:
I stopped thinking of Gisena in terms of points once she became a character, but we did in fact use one of our lesser remittances on her. She's doing serious work, and we haven't even had curses mitigated yet. Fighting gribblies and pirates at the same time would've sucked. Was a good choice.
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I don't disagree that she's doing work, but Cat would have also been able to fight. Where Gisena is showing her worth is in closing the rifts.
 
You guys are a good bit over 5 Arete now given some recent contributions... not terribly far from 6! But if you do get there, then comes an even harder problem. Which option to pick?
 
Thomasfoolery said:
would say yes. He signed up for an eternity of conquest and murder after all, if he wasn't willing to accept some collateral damage of innocents I don't think he'd have done that.
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You say that, but it's not like the Curse didn't exist before he took on part of it. The Accursed has been draining life from existence, although possibly feeding it entirely from his own, for uncountable time prior. But, by taking it upon himself, Hunger has also gained a chance to further reduce the curse's total strength, by pitting what abilities he has against it.
 
Rihaku said:
Hm... but the Decimator's Affliction makes such things truly dangerous for any prospective recruits. You have it sated for now, but would Hunger even allow himself to stay around people long-term without some more advanced mitigation?
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Do Gisena's Nullity powers protect her from the Decimator's Affliction or are we going to need to do something to protect her soon?
 
Projectile said:
I stopped thinking of Gisena in terms of points once she became a character, but we did in fact use one of our lesser remittances on her. She's doing serious work, and we haven't even had curses mitigated yet. Fighting gribblies and pirates at the same time would've sucked. Was a good choice.
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To say nothing of the work she's doing for team morale! Much as they'd protest otherwise, it's good to have someone with bright energy around, even if she is annoying...

Thomasfoolery said:
I would say yes. He signed up for an eternity of conquest and murder after all, if he wasn't willing to accept some collateral damage of innocents I don't think he'd have done that. I guess he might try to play musical chairs and just siphon off a bit of each world while he explores his options first, whether that's really the more moral thing to do seems as opposed to just less in your face consequences seems questionable to me though.

Maybe just sign them on to shorter term contracts if he really has serious qualms about it. A year of work/10% of your life force is still a decent deal compared to the very high chance just dying stuck in the reaches. Even that short amount of time would give him some more scaling while also getting his name out.
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It depends on what they can offer him. As a Progression-type, if he makes steady progress then every year (or couple of months) he'll rapidly outscale most hirelings to the point of rendering them irrelevant in most circumstances!

Sickul said:
I don't disagree that she's doing work, but Cat would have also been able to fight. Where Gisena is showing her worth is in closing the rifts.
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The rifts do close by themselves eventually, but speeding it up is very useful indeed! And debuffing the special abilities of one's foes.

LordOfMurder said:
Do Gisena's Nullity powers protect her from the Decimator's Affliction or are we going to need to do something to protect her soon?
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Only if you want to keep her alive!

I mean, you have the month free since you Sated Hunger. You've got time!
 
Rihaku said:
You guys are a good bit over 5 Arete now given some recent contributions... not terribly far from 6! But if you do get there, then comes an even harder problem. Which option to pick?
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Almost certainly Conclusion, even if I really like the aesthetic of Evening Sky. We've just seen how our normally cold and competent hero can get fucked by the Apocryphal when it pokes his trauma, we'd best work to mitigate that immediately unless we think our tactics are sufficient to win (lol).

That it lets us engage with civilization for two years without the risk of discovery makes it even better; perhaps might be enough time to let us learn how to displace our Affliction into the Astral, even if it periodically attracts those beasts to us. Also looking forward to the mystery box but that's more tangential.
 
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Shard said:
I would go for Conclusion. Psychological health is important.
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I'd go for it just because I think in 2 years we'd probably be able to earn a significant amount of mitigation, some of which would likely be permanent. We already got a glimpse of the first one with Feast.

It will be a bit painful to not get any other arete boosts here, but no way we can reach 8 or 9.

Also I too vote for the backpack being the thread image. It's awesome.
 
Rihaku said:
Only if you want to keep her alive!

I mean, you have the month free since you Sated Hunger. You've got time!
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In that case assuming we get the arete for it we definitely have to get conclusion as much as it pains me not to take slumber of Aeons. At least we can still take sleep of the just with it for the memes.
 
Cerillian said:
You say that, but it's not like the Curse didn't exist before he took on part of it. The Accursed has been draining life from existence, although possibly feeding it entirely from his own, for uncountable time prior. But, by taking it upon himself, Hunger has also gained a chance to further reduce the curse's total strength, by pitting what abilities he has against it.
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Yeah... That's I think an unreasonably charitable reading of Hunger's motivations. He'll try to pay back the Accursed sure, but claiming that's the reason he took Decimator is a stretch. He would've helped The Accursed basically just as much taking Slumber, but that would've impacted him more personally and potentially left him with less chance of vengeance.

Rihaku said:
It depends on what they can offer him. As a Progression-type, if he makes steady progress then every year (or couple of months) he'll rapidly outscale most hirelings to the point of rendering them irrelevant in most circumstances!
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Even if they eventually become useless on a combat scale he operates on we'll still eventually need bodies to administer our holdings and handle stuff too petty for us to bother with though. If we didn't have hunger I'd see a stronger argument for not bothering spending the administration time as opposed to just training except in the case of really special people, but our advancement method has a decent amount of deadish time built in, so I think we can lower the standards.
 
Personally I'd prefer Conclusion over A Thousand Cuts for a pretty simple reason, opportunity. Conclusion is only an option AFAIK, because we Sated our Hunger. If we don't take it now we'd have to wait till the next time we've Sated our Hunger in the process of killing a peer opponent for it to be available again. This may not sound like a problem, but look at it a bit, because this is not the only Hunger proc we've had, yet it is the only Sated proc we've gotten. Until we know what circumstances lead to Sated then its risky as fuck to pass up on Conclusion and gamble that we'll see it again soon enough.

That said, a question for you @Rihaku. I haven't read the original quest, so I'm not sure the answer, how long will Elves in general and Gisena in particular likely live, without the Decimation Curse factoring in?
 
With Sevenfold we can progress and gain more power and thus more ways to mitigate curses. It should allow us to use Tactics to slay enemies above our level catapulting our growth.

I'm shocked at the level of support Conclusion has, I was expecting if we got to 7 to argue against Evening's sky instead.
 
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cheesyme said:
Personally I'd prefer Conclusion over A Thousand Cuts for a pretty simple reason, opportunity. Conclusion is only an option AFAIK, because we Sated our Hunger. If we don't take it now we'd have to wait till the next time we've Sated our Hunger in the process of killing a peer opponent for it to be available again. This may not sound like a problem, but look at it a bit, because this is not the only Hunger proc we've had, yet it is the only Sated proc we've gotten. Until we know what circumstances lead to Sated then its risky as fuck to pass up on Conclusion and gamble that we'll see it again soon enough.

That said, a question for you @Rihaku. I haven't read the original quest, so I'm not sure the answer, how long will Elves in general and Gisena in particular likely live, without the Decimation Curse factoring in?
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Decimation: "So about that spiritual perfection giving you immortality.."
 
Definitely take Conclusion if we get enough. Currently the biggest danger we face are civs; taking away the reason for them to hunt us proactively for two years seems like a bargain. It's literally the option that most increases our safety.
 
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