You seem to be underestimating apocryphal. What is more interesting, a rotbeast that shows up after we do or one that's already eaten half the city before we arrive?

The description implies that we can potentially save the sovereignty at least mostly intact so I am going to assume it's possible. We will also be near the place, and Hunger is pretty damn fast.
 
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[A] Declare Rulership

Say no to tournament arcs!

I'd find it entirely expected. We have a lot to do with our arete that isn't praxis right now.

And my point is I don't think we can run away forever. Eventually we'll get caught somewhere we have to remain for reasons we can't simply ignore.
We also don't need to run away forever. We still have Progression, and I'm choosing Thorn because I think that we'll outgrow it. We'll have enough Arete for Praxis at some point, seeing how it's the next likely expenditure after Silver and ADS/OaF.
 
I would also rather take my chance at two weakened Apocryphal challenges that appear separately rather than an single one at full strength.
 
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We won't always have the leisure to be confronted with opponents we can defeat. Living to fight another day is simply the reality of a Progression Type.
While true this is a pick you are making instead of just confronting the threat we know we can defeat explicitly if we aren't stupid about it.

I would also rather take my chance at two weakened Apocryphal challenges that appear separately than an single one at full strength.
You should recalibrate your risk assessment. 20% and 10% reduced is risker than 0% reduced with a 100% win rate.
 
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And we were fighting over three roughly equivalent options with a different focus.

I don't see your point. As long as the mage faction gets that this is not the time to be tsking a fucking mage option we'll be fine.
Tell that to the Praxis faction that just encumbered 12 Arete and insisted that they CANT be spent on anything that would increase our power at all. That's 12 Arete sitting in a locked box and not even getting any interest payments. That's a precommitment to buy another pure-potential option in Imperial Praxis, which does not seem to offer anything except the opportunity to buy EVEN MORE Arete-intensive Praxis picks.

Mage gang is over here settling for Ring powers & Stats-based Elementalism, and they are the ones you're going to throw punches at? Get the fuck out of here
 
While true this is a pick you are making instead of just confronting the threat we know we can defeat explicitly if we aren't stupid about it.


You should recalibrate your risk assessment. 20% and 10% reduced is risker than 0% reduced with a 100% win rate.
Not really. An 20% reduced Prestige classing would give us an little room for error where optimization is concerned while an 10% reduced Rotbeast, if we defeat it would further still increase our chances of success against the next challenge because of higher R A N K etc. It reduces risk against Ber in exchange for increasing it in the short term.
 
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Except choosing Simple explicitly tanks our rank gain?


The blurb. It says that it has to make its way. From wielder to wielder till it finally finds a worthy one. I'm not sure how to interpret that except as "eventually the sword will find someone fast enough to catch you."

And the blurb also says the only way to beat it is lots of praxis - by description it is a conceptual weapon, so we need something beyond conceptual to win. All the stats are useless in the face of overwhelming rank and this is much the same.
Keepin' It Simple tanks our Rank gain if the rotbeast significantly reduces the population and/or communication infrastructure of the Sovereignty. That happens if it reaches the city but Hunger can intercept it - hell, he should be on his way to attack it before he even finds out it's started moving. The countryside in that direction is not densely populated because that's where the rotspawn keep attacking. Also, while damage from Rotty reduces our breadth of fame, killing it in a kaiju battle on ES territory gives us a great height of glory for a potentially even greater volume of rep.

By the time the sword catches us it might need an interstellar mobile wielder. AKA Fairbright in a Rank 10 Armament. Can Gisena keep dodging that until the end of the geas? Won't be easy.
 
I am glad that some people are coming on the side of two swordfights! I think it's a really good option in all ways. We weaken both Ber and the Thorn, which gives us a bit of leeway for our build, the preparation for both is largely the same and both options allow us to use our main strength - Progression - to deal with them, with a nice slope where we defeat Ber and use the powers gained from that to prepare for and fight the Thorn. Plus, we reduce the risk to our Rank gains from the Sovereignty and don't fuck over some poor high schooler to power-up Rotbeast, which is nice for morals and stuff.

Also, Thorn provides an absolutely awesome swordfight/diplomacy with a Fairbright! Just how cool that would be, especially if Hunger has Praxis techniques? Kaiju fight, in comparison, is not exactly lame, but a bit lacking in flavour.
 
Keepin' It Simple tanks our Rank gain if the rotbeast significantly reduces the population and/or communication infrastructure of the Sovereignty. That happens if it reaches the city but Hunger can intercept it - hell, he should be on his way to attack it before he even finds out it's started moving. The countryside in that direction is not densely populated because that's where the rotspawn keep attacking. Also, while damage from Rotty reduces our breadth of fame, killing it in a kaiju battle on ES territory gives us a great height of glory for a potentially even greater volume of rep.
I just...

After seeing these options how are people still underestimating apocryphal so badly?

Why do you think we'll get lucky and get to town before the rotbeast? it's possible, yes, but it is by no means certain and depends on a fight we haven't had yet!
 
Not really. An 20% reduced Prestige classing would give us an little room for error where optimization is concerned while an 10% reduced Rotbeast, if we defeat it would further still increase our chances of success against the next challenge because of higher R A N K etc. It reduces risk against Ber in exchange for increasing it in the short term.
We do not get to pick which is 10% reduced and which is 20% reduced.

Due to the order of events (aka we run into the rotbeast first) it would almost certainly be Rotbeast 20% reduced.

It reduces nonexistent risk against Ber by... what? We just have to not be stupid and we have been told we can handle him. You're managing to simultaneously play down one threat that explicitly is high-risk to our rank gain and play up one threat we've been explicitly told we can outscale if we play things reasonably. Which we can do. If, ya know, we stop doing this at every turn.
 
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[A] Continue

As someone who loves Highschool Battle Fantasy Anime nonsense and tournament arcs a lot, i'll go with this.
 
I just...

After seeing these options how are people still underestimating apocryphal so badly?

Why do you think we'll get lucky and get to town before the rotbeast? it's possible, yes, but it is by no means certain and depends on a fight we haven't had yet!
Hm, you have a point. This would be the point to make tactics, but before any of that Hunger would even have to be aware of the threat. And Aveai's unreliable communication might as well 0% during a Proc. Hopefully conventional methods work, if we're close enough. Rank instincts? At least it's big?

Yeah, it's a problem.
 
Hm, you have a point. This would be the point to make tactics, but before any of that Hunger would even have to be aware of the threat. And Aveai's unreliable communication might as well 0% during a Proc. Hopefully conventional methods work, if we're close enough. Rank instincts? At least it's big?

Yeah, it's a problem.
My current prediction is movie drama level: The call gets through only after we are committed to Mizuku and can't back out until success or failure. We come rushing back as quickly as we can after that and arrive just in time to see a large portion of the city destroyed (because that's how it goes in the movies). We win the fight but the sovereignty is crippled.

That's what I expect on an average roll.

On a good roll we get the call at the same time but the rotbeast is a bit slower and we arrive before it can do more than cause outlying damage.

On a bad roll we arrive to find the city more ruin than city.

The other option for dramatic irony is to instead have us never get the call and only figure out something is wrong after rank instincts scream at us. Which will leave the same levels of damage as I wrote above, because that part isn't particularly variable in stories: Hero arrives in time and saves the day before more than token damage was done. Hero arrives just in time to see a devastating attack and is motivated by this. Hero arrives too late but tries to save the few he can.
 
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We do not get to pick which is 10% reduced and which is 20% reduced.

Due to the order of events (aka we run into the rotbeast first) it would almost certainly be Rotbeast 20% reduced.

It reduces nonexistent risk against Ber by... what? We just have to not be stupid and we have been told we can handle him. You're managing to simultaneously play down one threat that explicitly is high-risk to our rank gain and play up one threat we've been explicitly told we can outscale if we play things reasonably. Which we can do. If, ya know, we stop doing this at every turn.
We have to be optimal and synergistic in our build votes to beat Ber, that's pretty much stated in the description. And, it's nowhere near as easy to pull off as it sounds. The risk is very much real and serious.

Edit: I would have far more faith in our chances if we took something like What Rains May Come from the Rotbeast or greater R A N K.
 
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[X] One
[X] Keepin' it Simple
[X] Republic Kill-Joys


Voting against giving Ber anything resembling narrative weight or significance. I'm not sure if this qualifies as "approval voting" in terms of diluting my voting power?

I'm mostly eager to see the Republic Kill Squad, but I'll take anything over Ber

Vote is still for sale, even though I hate Ber a lot.
 
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