A Second Sunrise: Taiwan of 2020 Sent Back to 1911

What would be a good name for the rewrite?

  • Children of Heaven

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  • A Hundred Years' Difference

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  • Sun and Stars

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • The Second Sunrise

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • (Just call it Second Sunrise but make sure nobody refers to it as "SS")

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10
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Btw do you still have link for the one about project 'RISE' that French try to do ? It been a while and There are a guy who write quest with socialist government, so I just want to share that guy with this idea here

Here you go.

RISE: France's Ambitious Postwar Economic Network
By Kim Mun-Hee
"Popular Science," June 1925


France has been through almost half a decade of war, and they have seen it all. From coups to invasion to blockades to poison gas attacks, the French have endured the conflict and come back stronger.

Today, they are the sole-remaining power in West Africa, and the undisputed power of Western Europe and Western and Central Africa.

While they lick their wounds and begin their occupations of their neighbors, it is clear that the French are more than content with looking to the future than living in the past.

It can be seen in its rhetoric, with President Jaures giving speech after speech of a "New Era" for Western Europe as well as Western and Central Africa. It seems France seems to have learned from the Lost History and is focusing on cooperation, rather than retaliation.

It can also be seen in its actions, with how France has overthrown the various monarchies in the territories they occupied. "Relics of a past that brought us into war," is what Elysee had to say of them.

But most interestingly, it can be seen in their vision for a socialist future. Not just for France, but for all the countries it has liberated as well.

This is what the Réseau International de Simulation Économique (Internationale Economic Similation Network), otherwise known as "RISE" intends to do.

Now, it is no secret that France is an ever-socializing nation. The meme of the "French Nationalization Cycle" had gone viral in the prewar era, but it does have a basis in reality.

Many French companies had at least some tie to the OAS, even if it was simply the latter reaching out to the former.

This was more than enough pretense for the Radical-Socialist government to justify nationalizing many a company and its assets.

The OAS coup, coupled with the occupations of the Benelux, Portugal, Italy, and Germany were simply the pretense for the much-expanded nationalization across French society, as well as Western Europe as a whole.

Ironically, the war managed to speed up the nationalization process more than anything else. The French had little need for pretenses when half the remaining businesses threw in with the OAS, while the other half were deemed necessary for the war effort.

That brings us to where we are today, with the Radical-Socialist coalition in control of much of Western Europe and its machinery and openly embracing the modern computing technology that allows RISE to be more than Marx's wildest dream.

RISE is directly-inspired by the unfinished Chilean Cybersyn program developed by the Allende administration of the Lost History. Although it was never implemented, the four module system was based around a viable system model theory that utilized telex machines to send and receive data to the capital in Santiago.

RISE follows a similar design that contains four modules: a network of computers connected to a single mainframe in Paris, production analysis software, a custom-built economic simulator, and an operations room that would allow operators to analyze data and run simulations to decide on policy that would maximize efficiency and productivity.

We begin with the computer network, which is perhaps the largest divergence from Project Cybersyn. This is no surprise when Project Cybersyn was abandoned in 1973, two years before Microsoft was founded and six before Apple.

Project Cybersyn was limited by its technology, in the form of telex machines. Telex machines were an evolution of the telegraph that used the binary system to transfer messages rather than the varying voltage of the telephone and the fax machine that replaced the telex machine.

France, unlike Chile, has access to modern computing technology that allows for the near-instantaneous sharing of information by automated programs rather than relying on human input.

If the test reports are to be believed, this would allow for real-time sharing of inventories as well as performance metrics on the ground level.

The production analysis software itself will likely be largely-automated as well, though it would likely be a hybrid system in which the program compiles human-entered data regarding inventories, productivity, and the supply chain. All of this would then be transmitted to the central mainframe in Paris so that the controllers can monitor the data in real time.

The economic simulation software is expected to be a more-advanced version of that envisioned by the Allende administration that capitalizes on the more-modern computing technology available.

The software is a joint project between Nanjing and Paris to accurately model and simulate entire economies given enough input. While the two centers of power may disagree on economics, it is more a friendly rivalry than anything else, with both French and Asian academics motivated by the common goal of increased prosperity for their different peoples.

The control room is the final module, and its purpose is simple. Analysts will receive data in real time from various factories and other productive enterprises, input the data into the simulations, and then provide the results to the decision makers.

These decision makers will in turn make the most-appropriate decision based on data from the simulations.

This system, should it work, has the potential to revolutionize the revolutionary economic system that France hopes to export to its colonies and Europe as a whole.

That said, the system has its critics, both within and without. Dr. Jia Ah-Lam of the National Taiwan University has argued that RISE would require more-advanced infrastructure like fiber-optic cable to constantly-transmit so much data in real time.

"Satellite-based internet is all well and good for YouTube and Reddit," she says, "But it just isn't enough to handle the sheer amount of data Paris wants to process."

"If they really want to make this work, they need to have started laying cable five years ago."

However, there have been several criticisms from within France itself, particularly the SFIO.

"While I am all for cooperation with our friends in China," one high-ranking member said anonymously, "The fact remains that our entire socialist economy would be overly-reliant on China. This is a system that would run on Chinese computers, use Chinese software, and rely on Chinese parts to maintain and fix."

"Productivity is all well and good, but we cannot simply hand the keys of the Great Socialist Experiment to the capitalists. Even if they are our closest friends."

In response, a spokesman from Elysee has pointed out that France has already been building internet infrastructure throughout the country and has been doing so for years.

"It is a simple extension of what we have already been doing," said spokesman Jean Brodeur. "As for the reliance on the Chinese, I must point out that these computers may be bought from the Chinese, but they will be operated and maintained by patriotic Frenchmen and women who believe in the prosperity this project can bring for all our people."

Whether it is the future of the Revolution or a rushed and over-reliant technocratic system, RISE is a ray of hope for socialists and technocrats throughout the world.

As Field of Dreams once said, "If you build it, they will come."

In this case, "You" is the French government, "It" is RISE, and "they" will be the converts to socialism after they see its success.

Assuming it works, of course.
 
Red, White, and Blue Flags

(Sixty-Star Flag of the United States)

United States Consulate, Taipei, Taiwan, Republic of China, 11 January 1938

"You know," Chen Akira said to her husband, "It kind of reminds me of the 48-star flag."

"The World War II one?" Aki nodded. "Yeah, I guess so. Six rows of stars and all that stuff. Still feels kinda weird, though."

"America having sixty states?" Michael nodded. "I guess it would, when you grew up with fifty."

"Yeah, that's it." Or at least his wife was close enough that he couldn't be bothered. "It's like the flag came out of the Uncanny Valley. Doubt I'll ever get used to it."

"You invested in a company that made American flags, right before the referendums added ten new states," Aki pointed out. And as much as she tried to dissuade him at the time, it turned out that adding new states meant Americans needed to buy new flags. "I'm sure you'll manage just fine."

"Hey, it's not my fault that China technically makes more American flags than America. Even if the True Patriot Party gets mad about it."

"I've been meaning to ask about that, Michael-"

"Racism, Aki. They formed because of racism."

"I meant the flags. How do you technically make more flags?"

"Oh, that. Yeah, that's because all the really nice, full-sized flags are made in America, but we- I guess India and Siam too, nowadays, make all the crappy tiny printed ones that they hand out on 4th of July."

"And there are more of those small flags than the big ones?"

"Yup. That's where the technicality comes in. America makes most of the full-sized ones. We just make a lot more of the tiny ones that get tossed in the garbage instead of being ritually lit on fire during a ceremony."
 
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(Sixty-Star Flag of the United States)

United States Consulate, Taipei, Taiwan, Republic of China, 11 January 1938

"You know," Chen Akira said to her husband, "It kind of reminds me of the 48-star flag."

"The World War II one?" Aki nodded. "Yeah, I guess so. Six rows of stars and all that stuff. Still feels kinda weird, though."

"America having sixty states?" Michael nodded. "I guess it would, when you grew up with fifty."

"Yeah, that's it." Or at least his wife was close enough that he couldn't be bothered. "It's like the flag came out of the Uncanny Valley. Doubt I'll ever get used to it."

"You invested in a company that made American flags, right before the referendums added ten new states," Aki pointed out. And as much as she tried to dissuade him at the time, it turned out that adding new states meant Americans needed to buy new flags. "I'm sure you'll manage just fine."

"Hey, it's not my fault that China technically makes more American flags than America. Even if the True Patriot Party gets mad about it."

"I've been meaning to ask about that, Michael-"

"Racism, Aki. They formed because of racism."

"I meant the flags. How do you technically make more flags?"

"Oh, that. Yeah, that's because all the really nice, full-sized flags are made in America, but we- I guess India and Siam too, nowadays, make all the crappy tiny printed ones that they hand out on 4th of July."

"And there are more of those small flags than the big ones?"

"Yup. That's where the technicality comes in. America makes most of the full-sized ones. We just make a lot more of the tiny ones that get tossed in the garbage instead of being ritually lit on fire during a ceremony."

Sixty states? Let's see, beyond Alaska and Hawai'i, that would've been added IRL too, there's D.C., Puerto Rico, but that's still quite a few states short of that goal, what happened? :p
 
Sixty states? Let's see, beyond Alaska and Hawai'i, that would've been added IRL too, there's D.C., Puerto Rico, but that's still quite a few states short of that goal, what happened? :p
The British Empire got dismantled and in this timeline none of the things that made Canada actually independent had happened yet. As such, when Old Blighty fucked around and proceeded to find out Canada was left in a bit of a lurch. One referendum later and everything north of Mexico is American now.
 
Good..., now all they have to do to make make the world especially China and India forget their shenanigans in the opium wars and social drawings bullshit is to make pop culture staples like the Beatles, Tolkien and c.s Lewis be more popular,.... but then again the Yankees are going at it....
 
Nothing can make people forget atrocities. People still remember Mr. Khan's Wild Ride and that was eight hundred years ago.

It's not something people hold grudges over anymore because time heals all wounds and the damage is no longer being felt, but the memories remain. The same will be true with Britain. In a hundred years people probably won't be nursing grudges against Albion for their various imperial sins, but there's still going to be anger within living memory.

Though in fairness, the fact that the Empire ended with them getting the shit kicked out of them probably helps. Hard to be angry with someone when you successfully beat them like a drum in revenge already.
 
Though in fairness, the fact that the Empire ended with them getting the shit kicked out of them probably helps. Hard to be angry with someone when you successfully beat them like a drum in revenge already.

Ah, the American way of making friends.

In all seriousness, yeah, memories will still exist. But as time goes on, people "age out" of voting, and a healthy dose of "Let's pin everything bad on the Tories," can work wonders for the more-immediate grievances.
 
When did the US bring Hawaii and Alaska early? OTL those only became states in 1959.
Increased economic activity and migration to Alaska (oil boom followed by the Bering Strait railroad project) and Hawaii (increased immigration and trade with Asia) led to an earlier statehood movement.

Couple that with an America that, for the most part, is more-progressive than OTL, and the political capital is there.
 
While that makes sense, I was just asking since there was no mention of this before in any of the story posts.

Do we have an exact date? Was it before or after the Canadian provinces made their petition to join the Union?
 
While that makes sense, I was just asking since there was no mention of this before in any of the story posts.

Do we have an exact date? Was it before or after the Canadian provinces made their petition to join the Union?
After, so we're looking at 1935 for both. Alaska is 59 and Hawaii is 60.

I'll probably do a write-up on this. As well as the sheer shenanigans going on where Hawaii's senators are a conservative Japanese former cop (Sanji Abe) and a Filipino socialist (Phillip Vera Cruz).

Because one, they'd probably hate each other, and two, they'd probably hate the racists more.

Which means it's time to bring back fistfights to the Senate.

Because they can't settle differences the Chinese way. Which, last I checked, involves a spy agency secretly leaking evidence of corruption to the press.
 
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Hmn, interesting. My understanding of Hawaiian politics has been that pre-WW2, the Japanese and Philipinos were loosely politically allied through the sugar-laborer Unions, opposing the Big 5 companies. But then, the PoD is early enough that the Union partnership (between previously ethic Unions whose members did not like each other because the sugar bosses purposefully paid the Japanese more than the philipinos to keep them at each other's throats and not organizing together) may have been butterflied.
 
Hmn, interesting. My understanding of Hawaiian politics has been that pre-WW2, the Japanese and Philipinos were loosely politically allied through the sugar-laborer Unions, opposing the Big 5 companies. But then, the PoD is early enough that the Union partnership (between previously ethic Unions whose members did not like each other because the sugar bosses purposefully paid the Japanese more than the philipinos to keep them at each other's throats and not organizing together) may have been butterflied.

It's more of how one of them's a former cop and the other is a labor organizer.
 
I do agree with above a bit since there are very few chapter that touch on the Uptimer 'old money' character there (aside from that spy girl father ?), so do looking forward to that a bit (mostly to see the criminal-dark side who still do evil thing but do adapt, unlike the one in american that go legit)
 
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I wish there was an omake of young hilter before, during and after the Taiwan was isoted as his thoughts on the matter. Especially now the whole world knows who is, was in the lost history and more importantly his actions in it and especially his future crimes.....

I'd like to see his family react to this especially his mother if she's alive, his father and siblings.....

Man that must the suck to be him right now, perpetually watching over his back forever for the crimes he didn't do yet, especially with future scumbags like Joseph mengele the entire nazi party in the lost history Weimar Republic Era and the unit 731 gang, but let's not forget Ford and his ilk like Jp Morgan, the Rockefellers, Randalf Hearst, and especially the Carnegies in the USA for planning to pull some shit in this tl...
 
He was, unironically, a good journalist, so he probably sticks to that, IMO.
Something like that.

He fled to France, where he made a vocal condemnation of his Lost History Self. Whether or not he actually meant it is debatable, but the success of the French Radical-Socialists led to a reevaluation of democratic reformism as a viable means.

However, his writings continue to be anti-clerical as they were during his socialist journalist years, and the influence of Nietzsche on him is synthesized with socialism.

The good news is that he is not going to be achieving any power anytime soon. People are conscious of who he could become, and unlike Wang Jingwei, he didn't have the Father of the Nation around to absolve him of any suspicions.

The bad news is that this Mussolini can be an absolutely insufferable prick who should be kept as far away from political Twitch streams and podcasts as possible.
 
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