A Second Sunrise: Taiwan of 2020 Sent Back to 1911

What would be a good name for the rewrite?

  • Children of Heaven

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • A Hundred Years' Difference

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • Sun and Stars

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • The Second Sunrise

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • (Just call it Second Sunrise but make sure nobody refers to it as "SS")

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10
  • Poll closed .
Funny that European Alliance wanted to force negotiations but when they lost all colonies and started losing their mainland, they ended up fighting to the last.

I think I remember in some 90s WWII movie the used bent pipes for shooting over cover.

Do British readers here feel awkward?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjT1DlvxgMA

Regarding the New York club omake, isn't it optimistic?
If Darwin lets the segregated people in, then it becomes their club and racist people won't come in. If they do, it's to start trouble and police may not even come once the club gains a reputation.

Will China downsize its military afterwards, to avoid becoming a war economy dependent like USA?
Nah Italians always wanted Tunis not sure why Spain leapt in but it immediately set off the powder keg.
Tunisia is lined up across the sea same as Algeria to France, except even closer at only 200km.

While the monarchs were able to flee to either Denmark, Switzerland, or Europe,
mistake Europe
 
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Regarding the New York club omake, isn't it optimistic?
If Darwin lets the segregated people in, then it becomes their club and racist people won't come in. If they do, it's to start trouble and police may not even come once the club gains a reputation.
I think so. And the opponents are not above firebombing such a place.
Not to speak that the Prohibition is around the corner. This America may know about the effects and the outcome in the other timeline but I don't think that will deter them from it. The situation and attitudes that lead to it in the first place are still present, even with all the changes.
 
I think so. And the opponents are not above firebombing such a place.
Not to speak that the Prohibition is around the corner. This America may know about the effects and the outcome in the other timeline but I don't think that will deter them from it. The situation and attitudes that lead to it in the first place are still present, even with all the changes.
yes it is rather optimistic for now. Mostly because as of part 3 (which I have just finished) they are only now opening up the club, the hardcore racists aren't really aware what's going on since the club hasn't even done anything progressive yet. And I didn't want it to drag on so the views expressed in the next chapter are part of the "curious but optimistic" group of people. I did this because I wanted to focus on their reactions to some of the future "stuff" and keep things fun (especially since the main story is in wartime).

It's also because I've been enjoying writing about a budding connection and potential interracial/inter-temporal relationship which would cause problems down the line (and more drama in the side story.)

I plan to continue the time skips so as to keep things moving, but provide little moments to indicate developments between characters.

TLDR: Yes it's light hearted, there will be conflict soon (mostly racial and gender based), and Darwin will do his best to make 80's music a hit again. Unsure about where prohibition is in the main story and whether it is still coming.
 
Short answer: Pretty lopsided with the Nanjing Accord taking a fraction of the European Alliance's casualties.

Long answer (KIA):

Accord:
<100k: Japan, Korea
~100-200k: China, Russia, Ottomans + Rashidi Arabia, Siam, Indochina
~300-400k: France, India

Alliance:
<50k: Greece, Montenegro
50k-100k: Bulgaria, Benelux (Combined)
100k-500k: Romania, Serbia
500k-1 Million: Italy
1-2 Million: Austria-Hungary, British Empire
2-3 Million: German Empire

So about 1.7 million KIA for the Nanjing Accord and about 7 million KIA for the European Alliance, not accounting for POWs from the latter.

Of course, these are all military KIAs, and we'll have to add the thousands of French who starved to death, all the Indian and Indonesian civilians caught in the crossfire of their civil wars, and all the Germans, Austro-Hungarians, Italians, and Brits who would be killed during the invasion of their countries.

In terms of WIAs, the Nanjing Accord's more modern medicine and CASEVAC would probably be at a 2:1 WIA to KIA ratio, while the European Alliance would have a 3:2 WIA to KIA ratio.

(Remember that it's better to have a higher WIA to KIA ratio, since it means fewer dead people.)

Not to mention all the people displaced, as a sizable chunk of the population Australia and New Zealand left for America and are not coming back.
Can you make a list of casualties by each individual country regardless of faction? That would be nice.
 
Regarding the New York club omake, isn't it optimistic?
If Darwin lets the segregated people in, then it becomes their club and racist people won't come in. If they do, it's to start trouble and police may not even come once the club gains a reputation.

It's New York, not Montgomery. Darwin may face some angry letters and some boycotts but NY society in general isn't opposed to what he's doing.
Keep in mind that the ISOT means WILSON!!! (HATEHATEHATEHATE) was never president, so segregation never even reached it's OTL peak in the US. Combined with the KKK making fools of themselves and progressive governments, open racism is a bit gauche nowadays, even in many places in the South.
 
Jessie Darwin Vs America: Part 3

September 30th, 1917 (1 month after part 2)


"You want to open the club with a ladies night?" Craig asked incredulously, leaning back in one of the clubs' booths. "Can you explain why?"

Jessie nodded and sent a glance to Annalise who was pottering through the bar area, organising glasses among other miscellaneous tasks, ordering the handful of recently hired staff around. "Yeah, it was Annalise's idea actually. Since we're new to the area, and we're trying to get people to come, what better publicity than gossiping young ladies? They would come in, have a great night, invite their friends, and pressure the guys they like into inviting them out."

Craig thought for a moment before agreeing. "I suppose so! Hah! If I let one thing slip to my wife, half of Taiwan would be in the know by the morning!" He said with a laugh.

"Be careful Craig, Mrs Daniels has ears everywhere don't you know?" Annalise shouted from the bar.

Jessie and Craig smiled at one another, falling into a brief silence as they thought about the opening.

Jessie was excited of course. They had worked so hard on the renovations and planning. All they could hope for was a good opening night.

One thing Jessie hadn't planned on was Annalise. After their first meeting, Jessie had indeed played some of ABBA's greatest hits, which the young woman immediately fell in love with. What she also admired was how far a group with two women in leading positions went in the music world. From there, Jessie exposed her to many other incredible female artists throughout the years, singing along together, alone in the empty club.

Jessie quickly realised Annalise was a headstrong and ambitious woman, something he hadn't expected from a woman of the 1910's if he was being honest. But was attracted to, nonetheless.

Jessie realised he had been looking at people of this era slightly patronisingly, and quickly disposed of that mindset, as he listened to Annalise articulate her thoughts on the women's rights movement they had been discussing after listening to Leslie Gore's 'You don't own me'.

They ended up talking late into the night, with Jessie walking her home. The next afternoon she returned, and that pattern continued every afternoon after Annalise finished work managing her brothers' café'.

It didn't take long before her presence at the club felt completely natural. Craig had then offered her a managerial position to train new employees. She was surprised to hear the wage was $1.5/hr, or $35/hr uptime.

Craig simply explained he was trying to set a good example, since many workers wages went backwards uptime due to corporate greed. Something he was still angry about after having to work 2 jobs to get through law school. And as a manager it's not like she'd be short of work to do.

"You look like a puppy you know that? Oh young love, I remember when Li and I first met like it was yesterday." Craig said with a childish smirk plastered across his face.

Jessie realised he'd been looking over at Annalise, who sent a mischievous wink back before turning away.

After clearing his throat, his face slightly pink, Jessie returned to the matter at hand.

"Yes well, as I was saying, we want these ladies to have fun while staying safe, too many clubs uptime make women feel unsafe, which just leads to sausage fests." Jessie said as Annalise walked over, slapping Jessie on the back of the head before sitting next to Craig.

"Which means a few things." He continued with a wince. "Firstly, cheaper and safe drinks. Most women here are financially dependent on the men in their lives, although this is changing, providing discounted drinks for women isn't an uncommon thing even uptime. And when men start coming, they'll make up the difference shooting their shot."

Annalise raised an eyebrow at that, but Jessie went on. "So, I propose a lady's hour, where from 7pm-8pm ladies get 20% off drinks. Early enough so even if some go overboard, they'll sober up by the time they leave the venue. I'm not sure if drugging is a problem yet but regardless, we can hold drinks behind the bar while ladies go to the bathroom, and offer lids for drinks. Security camera's will be a must as well."

Craig nodded, while Annalise looked concerned.

Seeing her reaction, Craig elaborated. "In the future, bad people would put drugs in… mostly ladies drinks, to get them intoxicated faster and then take advantage of them, this is a pre-emptive measure to protect against that."

The day went by as they continued to finalise details for opening night. Eventually Craig called the meeting to a close when Annalise's brother came to pick her up, so they said their farewells.


One week Later:

Laura Cook was nervous. She had never been out on a 'girls' night' before. Oh, she's had her friends over, and had gone dancing with Dean a few times. But she'd never gone out, at night-time, with only other women. It was even more surprising to see the… variety of ladies. There were whites, blacks, and even a few oriental women all heading for the same place.

Now she had no problem with that, after all she was friendly with Annalise who worked at the café she and her friends frequented. Though she did wonder what people would say…

While out one morning Annalise had told their group about a new club being opened and was having a special lady's night for its grand opening. She said the owner was an American from the future, and there would be food, drinks and music from 100 years in the future!

Word quickly got around it seemed, as there were what looked to be around 100 women standing outside of a building with 'THE EMBASSY: NEW YORK' plastered on it. When Laura and her friends closed in, they gasped. There was a beautiful red carpet laid down for them to walk on.

The group strut in, feeling giddy at the treatment. A gentleman stopped them in front of a large wall of fabric, 'THE EMBASSY: NEW YORK' repeated as a backdrop. He positioned them and begun taking photos with a strange camera. A few seconds later a beautiful photo in colour was handed out to each of them as a souvenir.

Laura and her group were then shuffled inside where they were interrupted from their gawking as another man asked for proof they were at least 18, the legal drinking age in New York.

Once Laura was inside, she spotted Annalise working in the bar. Letting her friends know, they all went over, sitting down on the stools.

"Hey girls, glad you could make it! What can I get you?" Annalise said as she handed over a beautiful drink menu full of colour pictures.

"Oh this looks good! I'll have the espresso martini." Margret called out.

"I think I would the negroni. It looks so pretty!" Jane added.

Laura continued to read the menu as the others ordered, and asked a question. "Annalise, I've never heard of these before. Are they all from the future?"

Annalise nodded. "Yep! One of the club owners, Jessie…" She paused. "Well, he worked in bars in the future as a 'mixologist'. Funny enough, the negroni you ordered, Jane, will be invented in two years."

The girls laughed at that while Laura ordered a Pina colada. Annalise and the other bartenders served the colourful drinks and told them about the safety lids, which they could request to stop people from touching their drinks while they were away. Something the girls thought a good and proper idea.

It didn't take long for them to feel the buzz, as cocktails often hid the alcohol well. Eventually the soft background music coming from somewhere died down and Jessie walked onto the stage.

"Hello ladies, my name is Jessie Darwin, the co-owner of this establishment. I do hope you're enjoying yourselves tonight. Now I was going to simply play music from the sound system, but I was convinced by a certain someone, that I should perform something live." Jessie said with a glance towards the bar.

"Without further ado, here is my cover of, 'Can't help falling in love with you, by the king of rock, Elvis Presley'."

As the soft music begun, a few groups made their way to the dance floor, with more joining as Jessie sung the song many of these women's future children once adored.

A few of the braver ladies even joined in when the chorus repeated, causing Jessie to smile, happy that people were enjoying the performance, even if he was nowhere near as talented as Elvis (in his mind at least).

"For I can't help, falling in love with you…" Jessie sung, ending the song. As applause trickled through the venue, Annalise was broken out of her stupor with a bump on the shoulder from Laura.

"Oh my, Annalise do you… do you fancy him? What would people say? I mean he's well, you know, and you're... Not that I don't blame you, while he's rather average looking, he's got quite a voice, oh yes." Laura mumbled as she sipped on her drink.

"Also, while I don't mind personally all that much, the… variety of people in the club at the same time is sure to cause issues would it not? I just hope it doesn't bring too much trouble." Laura continued.

"Well Laura, I think I've just about had enough caring about what other people will say. Don't you feel the same? Sure I can see people having a problem with this place, but if you don't fight for what is good and righteous, then I wouldn't be a good Christian now would I?" Annalise replied with a smirk.

"Oh, well, that's certainly food for thought I suppose." Laura tentatively agreed.

"Yes, yes it is." Annalise smiled.
 
Guess who just graduated high school in this timeline with no Prohibition?

If you guessed Al Capone, congrats. you get a cookie. :p

Also it is probably for the best to start them off with something only a couple decades in their future. I have no doubt some kinds of music would probably be viewed as either 'noise' or probably profane to some extent.

Alas, this means that the metal scene will be dead for at least a generation. :(
 
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Also it is probably for the best to start them off with something only a couple decades in their future. I have no doubt some kinds of music would probably be viewed as either 'noise' or probably profane to some extent.

Heck Elvis is tame for us modern folk, when he was popular, music (among white people) was super vanilla in comparison. Though it was also Elvis's dancing that pissed off conservatives as they thought he was corrupting the youth etc etc. HOWEVER, 'can't help falling in love with you is suuuuuuper tame. I mean common it's a ladies night in the 1910's i'm not gonna have Darwin play beyonce...yet

Many people will hate the music played, but there will be plenty who love it.

Also in regards to metal, since a lot of metal is protest/anti-establishment, i'm sure it will have it's fans among the progressive crowd, however i can't see Darwin playing it tbh, too much risk of religious fury coming down on the club.
 
Also in regards to metal, since a lot of metal is protest/anti-establishment, i'm sure it will have it's fans among the progressive crowd, however i can't see Darwin playing it tbh, too much risk of religious fury coming down on the club.

Imagine bringing some of Mick Gordon's Argent metal to a Dadaist art festival. You'd turn heads, that's for sure.
 
Chapter 57a: The Other Side (Part III)
Excerpt From Nothing New in the West (1934), by Erich Paul Remarque

They have transferred us further than we could have thought. Our company is made of more than three damaged ones that could not be reinforced.

When we are not marching, we sit around Rotterdam. After a couple of days Kantorek talks with us. He no longer has the same enthusiasm before he has been on the Oder Line. I am not sympathetic, because I remember that he was the reason I enlisted.

His lectures of military glory and Fatherland are a distant memory from our childhood. "Yours is a legacy of warriors from Armenius to Bismarck," he would tell us as we enlisted.

He was the reason we enlisted, and he was the reason so many of us were dead.

I try to avoid him whenever possible. We all do, once we are dismissed from our morning assembly while we wait for the news about our ship.

The press only tells us good stories, but we learn to tell the difference. The stories would talk about the defense of Memel, then of Konigsberg, Danzig, Posen, and then Stettin.

"Funny how that works," Katz muttered one day. "We are winning, but we keep moving backwards."

That was why we were all here in Rotterdam. The Oder Line held, but we would be transferred across the English Channel to Britain once the evacuation was finished.

Women and children who had once been evacuated to Berlin were now being evacuated to Hamburg, while women and children who had once been evacuated to Hamburg were now being evacuated to Rotterdam.

The monotony and anxiety bored us all, but it was better than holding the Oder line and waiting for the inevitable attack that would come after an inevitable retreat.

Athens, Occupied Greece, 1 March 1924

The sight of Russian men was something that the locals had not expected.

If anything, the civilians had expected the Ottomans to be the ones occupying, yet the Russians and here and they were not, besides a few officers of course.

"Who else would they send?" Georgios told his sons over dinner. "The Turks are in Egypt, the French have Italy in the way, and the Asians are either at the front or on the other side of the planet."

"It might be deliberate," Nikos, his eldest son, proposed. After swallowing another bite of his ricebread, of course. "At least the Russians believe in God and have an alphabet we can understand."

"The Asians are the oddest," said Christos. "They seem to leave us alone and rely on the Russians as translators. And offer us free food and medicine."

That, of all things, was what Georgios found the strangest about the Asiatics.

While yes, there was propaganda and he had no doubts that they killed many soldiers, it seemed like the Asians were oddly-generous with their occupation. While yes, the Greeks were under occupation, the Russians and the Chinese were more than happy to hand out food and medicine to any who wanted it.

"It is all for a reason," his eldest explained. "We wouldn't like the Ottomans. We wouldn't understand the Chinese. But the Russians? The Russians understand us, just as we understand them."

"Yet they seem to take orders from the Chinese," Christos countered. "The Russians may be the ones patrolling the streets and handling the locals, but the Chinese seem to be giving the orders. I guess that is what happens when your ally is full of time travelers."

"It does make sense, little brother. Which is why the Chinese are having the Russians occupy us, while the Ottomans handle the Bosnians and Albanians."

How to Cook Ricebread

Ingredients

  • 3 Cups of Water
  • 1 Pound of Rice Flour
  • 1 Packet of Yeast
  • 1 Packet of Butter

Instructions
  1. Boil 2 cups of water over an open fire.
  2. As the water is heated, add ¼ cup of flour and stir.
  3. Repeat Step 2 until all flour is added and the mixture reaches your desired thickness.
  4. Let the mixture cool until it is about body-temperature.
  5. Mix 1 cup of water with the packet of yeast.
  6. Pour the yeast mixture into the flour mixture and stir.
  7. Add the rest of the flour to your mixture and stir until it is a consistent dough.
  8. Place butter on the inner side of the provided tin.
  9. Place the dough in the tin and let it sit for 45 minutes.
  10. Cool at 400 degrees (Fahrenheit) for 30 minutes.
Once this is done, you should have a nice loaf of ricebread that can be produced in any home with a stove that will go great with vegetables, fruits, or cooked meats.

This booklet was produced by the Nanjing Accord Occupation Forces and translated by the Military Intelligence Bureau.

EDITOR'S NOTE: Make sure that the meat provided is religiously-acceptable to the recipients. We don't want to feed pork to Jews or Muslims and cause an international incident.

The last thing we want to do is piss them off while trying to win them over.

ADDITIONAL NOTE: Add pictures to instructions in case the reader is illiterate.

23 Wall Street, New York City, New York, United States of America, 15 April 1924

There has been a belief in some form of higher power manipulating things from behind the scenes since time immemorial. At least that was what Ambassador Sir Auckland Campbell Geddes could recall.

Whether it was God or some shadowy cabal (which were, unsurprisingly enough, disproportionately Jewish), many believed that there was somebody in control. The only difference was that the latter involved secret meetings and bizarre rituals.

That couldn't be further from the truth.

While yes, there were people who had more influence than others, the fact remained that geopolitics was "ordered chaos," as one philosopher once put it. It was a sum of hundreds to thousands of different competing interests who all wanted something different and would backstab, deal in backrooms, or outright commit murder to achieve it.

That, and how most of these meetings were done in offices. Offices filled to the brim with cigar smoke, yes, but these were far and away from the ritualistic gatherings that had captured many a conspiracy theorist's interests.

"Another loan would be in order," John Piermont Morgan Jr. surmised. "Or as we call it these days, 'Business as usual.'"

"That it is," the ambassador agreed. "And I assure you that this too will be used to finance the war effort. Munitions, raw materials, and the like."

"You don't have to tell me again, Auckland. With the war as it is, I hardly expect you all to piss it away on cigars and liquor."

Of course you know that, Morgan. You're making cents off of every bloody dollar we borrow from you!

It was hardly a surprise, of course. The House of Morgan would be stupid to only have their assets in one basket, and the elder and younger Morgans were hardly stupid men. If there was profit to be made (and there was), then the House would be one of the first to buy stock in the relevant businesses.

"Nor do I expect you to simply sit on this information. Would you humor me for a second?"

"Sure. Why not?"

"Now as you and I both know, I have no fear of defeat," Geddes half-lied, "But you have hardly changed your enthusiasm at loaning very large sums of money to finance our war effort."

"To which we are more than happy to do so as per our responsibilities."

"And His Majesty is very grateful for your continued partnership. But what truly perplexes me is that the current circumstances have been… less than favorable, yet you seem to continue on as if it were business as usual."

Morgan sat in silence and closed his eyes. The man was thinking, trying to find the best way to answer this.

"If I may," Morgan began, to which Geddes nodded. "Our motivations are twofold. You have myself, as J.P. Morgan, and J.P. Morgan the institution."

"There is of course my own preference for a British victory. After all, one of your predecessors was a dear friend of mine, and I am happy that we share a similar friendship. That, and how I would personally prefer to have Britain as an ally, rather than a global economy dominated by the Chinese."

"As for the institution itself, well, our continued business with the United Kingdom is simply good for business. We receive a one percent commission on all purchases by you and the Germans, and that does not include the profits from our various holdings that you then purchase from that I am not at liberty to disclose."

Not that he needed to, of course. It was an open secret that the banks had stakes in the various war-related industries. While yes, there were several ethical issues that came with this, this was information that was largely-open to the public.

There was a third reason, of course. Even if Morgan would not admit it.

If the European Alliance won, or at least managed to fight the Accord to a stalemate, then they would get their money back. It would take time, of course, but the House of Morgan would rake in a hefty profit in the postwar years.

But if they lost? Then J.P. Morgan might never see a single penny of the money they'd loaned out in the prior years.

It was a sunk cost and the two of them knew it.

That said, most sunk costs weren't as profitable as a global conflict.

The flight of the Monarchs

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Flight of the Monarchs refers to the evacuation of several of the royal families of Europe in the wake of the 1923-1924 European Offensive by the Nanjing Accord.

From 1923 to 1924, the royal families of Serbia, Montenegro, Romania, Greece, Italy, Austria-Hungary, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg fled to various neutral countries throughout Europe.

These nations included Switzerland, Austria-Hungary, the United Kingdom, and Canada..

History

While the Great War had seen a significant offensive push at the start, followed by a slow pace of offensives by the Nanjing Accord in Europe, the Sino-Russian efforts to improve logistics by 1923 and 1924 had allowed for rapid advances through the Balkans, Poland, and Africa.

In response, the various royal families of the European Alliance were preemptively evacuated to allied or neutral nations to prevent capture by Nanjing Accord forces.

Evacuations of Various Monarchies.

While the various Balkan monarchs had remained in their capitals at the start of the war, the Royal Families of Serbia, Montenegro, Romania, and Bulgaria were evacuated to Austria-Hungary. The continued offensive into Austria-Hungary in turn led to the evacuation of the Balkan monarchs as well as the Austro-Hungarian Royal Family into Switzerland.

The Greek Royal Family was evacuated to Rome by the Italian Royal Family, but the Invasion of Sicily encouraged the two royals to evacuate to Switzerland.

The Belgian, Dutch, German, and Luxembourgish Royal Families first fled to the United Kingdom, but the threat of an imminent Nanjing Accord invasion in 1925 led to a second evacuation to British Canada.

Outskirts of Ghent, Kingdom of Belgium, 21 August 1924

"Gas barrage!" Leo shouted at his soldiers, but they knew that already. After all, they had been doing this for years at this point. "This should be enough to stop them!"

Sure enough, they could hear the roar of artillery from behind them, then felt the tremors of the explosions in front of them. This, of all things, should have been enough to hold them back.

Tabun was a potent chemical weapon, and Leo had seen just how potent it could have been back in 1922.

It was a different time, back then. Back when the French didn't have gas masks and protective equipment.

But now? Now, it was a matter of survival, where everything including the kitchen sink was launched at their enemies in an effort to slow them down. Every bit of chemical weapons that they had left was deployed into no man's land in a desperate effort to hold off the French and Chinese assault.

It was inhumane, yes, but every second mattered when Ghent was the last line of defense before Antwerp, and Antwerp would be the last foothold on continental Europe.

If the gas attacks held them back for another few minutes, then so be it. If it held them back for another hour or God-willing, another day, then even better.

Leo had made his peace a long time ago, and he would do what he had to in order to hold off the enemy for as long as he could.

But when the explosions stopped and the dust settled, he looked through the two glass lenses in horror to see that the gas had not bought them more than a few minutes.

He could hear the dreaded sound of tank treads, just as he could see the vehicles rolling forward, unphased by the deadly gas that had been sent to stop them.

An Analysis of Nanjing Accord Aircraft and Ships, Royal Military College, Sandhurst

Background


After three years of war, it is clear that the Nanjing Accord's aircraft and ships have a sharp technological advantage against our aircraft in terms of advancement, range, and efficiency.

However, analyses of previous engagements and publicly-available information have indicated the ships and airplanes are hardly impervious and can in fact be defeated by superior firepower in terms of quality, if not quantity.

Analysis of Aircraft

It is clear that Chinese airpower is a deciding factor in engagements. Particular attention was given to the near-destruction of the Japanese task force in 1911 as well combat data acquired from surviving friendly aircraft.

In short, Chinese aircraft favor a philosophy of "Quality over Quantity," with a preference for attacking enemy ships and aircraft from beyond the effective range of the latter with guided munitions.

This, coupled with built-in Radio Detection and Ranging equipment, allows for a single aircraft to detect, track, and attack our own aircraft with impunity while our own aircraft are out of gun range.

That said, publicly-available information has allowed us to develop countermeasures to combat the enemy's guided munitions. Colloquially known as "flares," these countermeasures consist of pellets of magnesium that effectively confuse and distract the enemy missiles into targeting them, rather than the aircraft itself.

While flares are not a panacea (given that there is only a finite amount in each aircraft, it has led to an increase in survivability by up over 100%. This in turn allows our forces to pass on this information to the newer generation of pilots, who in turn are more-capable of learning the information from the start.

Moreover, it is important to note that the primary Chinese multi-role aircraft known as the F-1 (formerly known as the F-CK-1), is only capable of carrying four homing rockets at a time.

A combination of flares and evasive maneuvers allows the RAF and Luftwaffe to "force" the Chinese aircraft to "waste" their missiles in an initial salvo that is inevitably dispersed through flares.

In doing so, the RAF and Luftwaffe are able to either close the distance and enter gun range or force the Chinese to return to base to rearm.

Finally, the capture of RADAR from shot-down aircraft has allowed us to reverse-engineer the technology to create an early-warning system that prevents our air forces from being completely caught off-guard.

Analysis of Ships

Chinese ships follow a similar pattern of "Quality over Quantity," given their reliance on long-range missiles to attack our own ships while the latter are outside gun range. This is most-evident during the 1911 battle between the Chinese and Japanese navies in which the former was capable of sinking the entire Japanese fleet with anti-ship missiles.

However, it seems that the main weakness of these ships is also their over-reliance on long-range missiles, given the finite number of missiles carried by any single ship at a given time.

In addition, these weapons can be shot down by conventional arms, as had been demonstrated at the Battle of Gibraltar during which an M2 anti-air platform was able to shoot down an incoming missile by firing at it.

Once the Chinese ships are out of missiles, they are largely sitting ducks whose greatest weapon is an autocannon whose firepower pales in comparison to that of any dreadnought.

Recommendations

In short, it is clear that the Nanjing Accord would win an even battle in ship-to-ship and air-to-air combat. Their weapons have greater range, accuracy, and have homing capabilities that we needed years to find an effective counter for.

They are a force that values Quality over Quantity, a fact that we have become all-too-aware of over the last few years in up-front engagements in Malaya, India, and the Mediterranean.

That said, their emphasis on Quality over Quantity is also their heaviest weakness, given the smaller size of their fleets of aircraft and ships compared to our own.

While it is not ideal, it is possible that a massed attack of aircraft would be able to overwhelm their more-advanced air defenses through sheer numbers. While their aircraft are more-than-capable of traveling at nearly twice the speed of our own, their ships and installations are not.

Should we attack their fleet in force, we would be capable of overwhelming their ships' defenses while also depleting the ammunition of their ships and aircraft. This in turn would allow the Royal Navy and Kaiserliche Marine to enter gun range and attack the Nanjing Accord ships with superior guns.

This comes with the important caveat that said attack would almost-certainly be costly for our side. While it is possible to overwhelm the defenses of the Nanjing Accord's aircraft and ships while depleting their ammunition, it is highly likely that many of our own aircraft and ships would be destroyed in the process.

In short, we are capable of destroying the Chinese fleet and their aircraft, but it would need to be done in a decisive battle that would almost-certainly lead to massive losses on our side.

That said, this would be our best chance to eliminate the Chinese fleet for good and prevent an invasion of the British Isles.
 
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So will the Chinese make better jets with 8 smart missiles that don't get easily fooled by chaff?

Not exactly.

Hardpoints are where the weapons are mounted, and there is only so much weaponry you can carry on a single jet.

Better to just use infrared missiles.

Which, now that I think about it, probably means that the British and Germans would use flares instead.
 
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Surely by now the Chinese would have a decent variety of attack craft by now right? I know fighters are their main force projector in the air but they have those radar support planes. Do they have any multi role righters? Gunships they can fly over a navy fleet and pummel the ships with lead?


It really does seem this "analysis" is a little too optimistic and influenced by the positive propaganda that was forced down everyones throat to keep the troops from rebelling. They aren't even taking into consideration the drones which can be mass produced and carry missiles (not just suicide drones)

I guess when they're backed against a wall they have to try anything... their leaders stubbornness and greed will be their undoing...
 
Also, it seems like the report is overly focused on the Chinese. Despite supposedly being about the Nanjing Accord as a whole, it completely neglects any of the other nations, treating the Accord forces and the Chinese military as synonyms.

It might be that this is because the report is focused on slugging fests between Air and Naval forces, and the Accord prefers to use the more advanced Chinese forces for those, while the rest of the Accord's air and naval forces are used instead to support the ground offenses. But in that cause, I'm going to suspect that when the British throw their remaining planes and ships into an all-or-nothing battle against the Chinese Fleet, they're going to get blindsided when the Service Aéronautique, Imperial Russian Air Services, and Ottoman Aviation Squadrons decide to take advantage of their lack of defending planes.
 
Gunships they can fly over a navy fleet and pummel the ships with lead?
Modern logic is that gunship planes are outdated. They have to get too close so are more or less constantly getting damaged and in need of repair, even after you've attained air superiority. This is unsustainable for obvious reasons. The US air force keeps trying to retire ours but congress refuses to allow it.
 
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Not exactly.

Hardpoints are where the weapons are mounted, and there is only so much weaponry you can carry on a single jet.

Better to just use infrared missiles.

Which, now that I think about it, probably means that the British and Germans would use flares instead.

Best solution is to drag things out at this point it sounds like and deny them that decisive battle. They could even make jokes about the old 'Death by a Thousand Cuts' method that if I recall originated from Imperial China. Work smarter, not harder after all…

Modern logic is that gunship planes are outdated. They have to get too close so are more or less constantly getting damaged and in need of repair, even after you've attained air superiority. This is unsustainable for obvious reasons. The US air force keeps trying to retire ours but congress refuses to allow it.

Which goes to show that Congress is full of idiots, but we already knew that.
 
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I should probably point out that the Analysis boils down to "We can win through sheer numbers," which I mean, yeah, they probably could.

If they are fine with losing hundreds to thousands of planes.

As for the synonyms, that is largely due to the bulk of the Accord air forces being Chinese. Sure, you have some Japanese, Koreans, French, Russians, and Ottomans, but most of their air forces were still transitioning at the start of the war.

Meanwhile, the Accord is pretty aware that yeah, their enemies could overwhelm them through sheer numbers in a decisive battle. So they're just not going to give them a decisive battle.

Think of it like the Gulf War, when Saddam wanted to have the Mother of All Battles, but the Coalition decided to fight on their own terms.

That is what the Accord is doing. They're going to attack radar sites, airfields, and shipping instead of fighting them head-to-head.
 
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Excerpt From Nothing New in the West (1934), by Erich Paul Remarque

Poor Paul; it seems that, no matter the timeline, he'll always end up being sucked into a horrifying war.

Speaking of Manmade Horrors Beyond Comprehension, what parts of the Geneva/Hague Conventions/protocols were signed in this timeline, and how well are they applied by both sides?

The flight of the Monarchs

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The Flight of the Monarchs refers to the evacuation of several of the royal families of Europe in the wake of the 1923-1924 European Offensive by the Nanjing Accord.

From 1923 to 1924, the royal families of Serbia, Montenegro, Romania, Greece, Italy, Austria-Hungary, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg fled to various neutral countries throughout Europe.

These nations included Switzerland, Austria-Hungary, the United Kingdom, and Canada..

Well, I don't think these folk will be too popular in their countries after the war. Not like they were in the first place in several of them. Time to abolish the monarchy! All of it.
Speaking of the post-war settlement, I wonder what the new borders of Europe will be? I image that a lot of it will probably be decided by referendum, but there are a lot of areas in Europe that are ethnically heterogeneous: nation-states are a very bad idea in most of Europe, as people found out in the interwar era (thanks, Wilson). The reason why Europe has such pretty borders today is because of half a century of ethnic cleansing; I doubt the Nanjing Accord would want that. Lets take the example of Czechia. When it got its independence as part of Czechoslovakia, only around a two thirds of the population was 'Czechoslovak' ethnically; around thirty percent was German. These weren't just concentrated in the Sudetenland, but dispersed in villages and cities all over the country, where they were often the majority. Following World War 2, the overwhelming majority of the German population; there are many areas that have never recovered. Between independence and the invasion of Czechoslovakia by the Nazis, around 30% of the population of the country lived in a nation explicitly not designed for them. Of course, this generated resentment on both sides, and caused the German population to become supportive of the Nazis while the Czech population came to see them as a fifth column.
Hopefully, the Nanjing Accord can prevent a repeat of history.
Some sort of European Community/Union might be a good way to prevent Europe from descending into war again. After all, in a twisted sense, the European League showed the potential that Europe could have united.

Outskirts of Ghent, Kingdom of Belgium, 21 August 1924

I wonder how many desertions occurred on the European League's side. Many of the soldiers are conscripts sent to fight in an explicitly imperialist war in an effort by the elites of Europe to maintain their power in the face of change. It won't take long until either Nanjing Accord or domestic anti-government propaganda starts having a huge impact on moral. These soldiers are honestly ripe for socialist/communist ideology, which the French and the anti-war movement, particularly in central Europe are very ready to give.
These soldiers will also often be fighting their fellow Frenchmen (Alsatians, Walloons, etc), Slavs (Poles, Czechoslovaks, etc) and other people very similar to them. It won't be long until things like the Czechoslovak Legion form from POWs and deserters.
 
Part of me is wondering if they would see the irony in partitioning the various countries along latitude and longitude lines…
 
Speaking of Manmade Horrors Beyond Comprehension, what parts of the Geneva/Hague Conventions/protocols were signed in this timeline, and how well are they applied by both sides?

Off the top of my head, it's the same as OTL but the agreements regarding embassies and diplomats were also signed at a conference in San Francisco.

When it comes to following it, the Alliance probably violated anything that had to do with gas attacks while both sides violated anything that involves airstrikes or air combat.
 
These soldiers are honestly ripe for socialist/communist ideology, which the French and the anti-war movement, particularly in central Europe are very ready to give.
On the one hand, the French would be delighted to spread socialism. The entire war started because of corrupt plutocrats and oligarchs wanting the many to suffer for the benefit of the few; spreading an ideology that is explicitly the opposite of that is both morally and pragmatically correct.

On the other hand, the Chinese still have a pretty significant bugbear about commies thanks to Taiwan being a fortress besieged by the mainland for three generations. Regardless of how little "socialism with Chinese characteristics" has to do with actual socialism, that sort of intergenerational trauma doesn't exactly go away easily.
 
On the one hand, the French would be delighted to spread socialism. The entire war started because of corrupt plutocrats and oligarchs wanting the many to suffer for the benefit of the few; spreading an ideology that is explicitly the opposite of that is both morally and pragmatically correct.

On the other hand, the Chinese still have a pretty significant bugbear about commies thanks to Taiwan being a fortress besieged by the mainland for three generations. Regardless of how little "socialism with Chinese characteristics" has to do with actual socialism, that sort of intergenerational trauma doesn't exactly go away easily.

This one's a mixed bag for China.

On one hand, they are really paranoid of communism making a comeback.

On the other hand, they have a lot in common with Western socialists (democracy, feminism, progressivism, not being white supremacists, anti-monarchism) due to the Radical-Socialist alliance in France and the discrediting of Soviet-style communism/preemptive murder over the last decade.

And on the other side of the first hand, there is the France's history with suppressing minority languages.

Then there's the KMT's thing where they are a Big Tent party that contains everyone from conservatives to socialists creating the catalyst for internal strife.

Yeah, it's going to be complicated, but we're unlikely to see a full-on Cold War due to shared values, especially when it comes to democracy.

That and a fear of accidentally creating British Hitler if they aren't careful.
 
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