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A Realm Divided - A ASOIAF Nation Game

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Mortis Nuntius said:
I put in a condition that Rhaegar had to arrange the match and that the Golden Company basically bled away thanks to not going around Essos anymore, having exiles reconnect with their families and Robert and the new Royal Army suck up those men fancying being full time soldiers.
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I'll make a minor note that I had some issues with parts of this, already worked out with Skrevski. Anything further we can iron out via PMs.
 
Arryn said:
That's BS. Three days ago Rhaegar was a beggar king with nonsupport outsode some religious nuts.

Now he's going to radically altar Westeros' politics? What the fuck happened???
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The duel happened, the Council happened, your allies happened. You guys messed up over and over again and Rhaegar walked over the ashes to something approaching victory.
 
Velasco said:

I don't understand the complaint. We're trying to set up a workable new scenario, or new/next stage of this scenario. There was a lot of upset because Rhaegar was getting his way everywhere and shaping Westeros in a way that made him more powerful. One faction arises that gets one minor boost and people start complaining. I don't understand the reason why.​
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No, I'm just confused at Blackfyres in the Vale.
 
All talk about the future of the game will be held here. I want everyone on the same page so we don't have the issues we had before.
 
This has gone off the deep end in a way that's shocking...even for an ASOIAF Game.

I'm out. I can't possibly comprehend how or why the latest batch of stuff is taking place but it seems to be driven primarily by OOC rather than IC. That can't be good for player-to-player relations or the game itself.
 
Arryn said:
That's BS. Three days ago Rhaegar was a beggar king with nonsupport outsode some religious nuts.

Now he's going to radically altar Westeros' politics? What the fuck happened???
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Dorne and the Westerlands joined him.

The Reach pulled out of the war.

Robert demanded a Great Council which saw the regents support Viserys only for Queen Rhaella to withdraw his candidacy which led to the regents (bar Stark who retreated North) supporting Robert.

Rhaegar and Robert had various nasty arguments before challenging each other to a duel. Rhaegar obliterated Robert in the duel and the latter was left helpless and badly wounded at which point Rhaegar spared his life.

Robert renounced his claim and swore his support to Rhaegar. There were now no other candidates to the throne except Rhaegar's infant son supported by one Lord so the Great Council was a blowout in Rhaegar's favour with the Reach, Dorne, Stormlands, Crownlands and Westerlands all supporting him almost in full whilst the Riverlands and Vale were split and the North was not complying.


After the Council Rhaegar was left with basically every soldier in Westeros under his command and the Riverlands and Vale the last obstacles. The latter just bent the knee, the former got fucked hard.
 
Arryn said:
I'm out. I can't possibly comprehend how or why the latest batch of stuff is taking place but it seems to be driven primarily by OOC rather than IC. That can't be good for player-to-player relations or the game itself.
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You're always out and you never can (want to) comprehend why things take place, either because you're angry or because you've quit and/or because you're away for so long events moved along at a pace too quick for your fleeting interest.
 
Velasco said:
You're always out and you never can (want to) comprehend why things take place, either because you're angry or because you've quit and/or because you're away for so long events moved along at a pace too quick for your fleeting interest.
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Literally the first time I've even gotten mildly irritated in this game but whatever...
 
Arryn said:
That's BS. Three days ago Rhaegar was a beggar king with nonsupport outsode some religious nuts.

Now he's going to radically altar Westeros' politics? What the fuck happened???
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Erm, no. Rhaegar had an intact force of around 30,000 Men with him...and I was always supporting him from the background. I was shipping over around 6,000 men to help him too this turn before peace suddenly broke out.

With the Stormlands deciding to support his claim, the Reach turning neutral after their fight with the STA, the North pulling out, and the Tully and Arryn forces bled quit deeply in the Vale, the balance of power really -was- against his enemies.
 
I was having fun playing this game just a few days ago. That fun got sucked out very quickly by this thread and the fact that it's seeping into the IC thread.
 
CommandoHowizter said:
Can we please know more? Genuine curiosity here.
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TL;DR is there are some divisions and dramas inside the Golden Company's leadership caused by the sudden onset of peace and the new context of Westeros. Lord Arryn decides to take up my prior offer of service from the Golden Company, but is unwilling to take in too many foreigners, especially since his main priority is making sure the Vale is safe and defended against the fanaticals and madmen across the Narrow Sea. His contract thus appeals to the Westerosi core of the Golden Company, knights and lancers and such, but excludes the Essosi and other "strange" elements, including lowly Westerosi who have grown used to the climate and/or comfort of Starfall or Sunspear. Tensions between the Company leadership come to a head with the death (assassination?) of Corlys Velaryon, whose death precipitates a succession crisis in Starfall: there's his infant daughter by his estranged (divorced?) wife and there's his infant son by Ashara Dayne. Rhaegar and the Martells chose Ashara's son, and generally the people at Starfall want Ashara in power/at the head, whereas the ones headed to the Vale are the ones most attached to the Blackfyre cause. Either to seal the deal and secure the loyalty of this professional army, or for certain other reasons, Lord Jon Arryn ends up marrying the widow of Starfall and thus normalising the settlement of the Golden Company in the Vale.

Rhaegar is not necessarily shut out of the story but also, in my mind, not an integral part. Since the timeskip is all about the two sides coming together I'd rather not have Rhaegar being the only one with agency or ownership on the storyline, if that makes sense.​
 
Velasco said:

TL;DR is there are some divisions and dramas inside the Golden Company's leadership caused by the sudden onset of peace and the new context of Westeros. Lord Arryn decides to take up my prior offer of service from the Golden Company, but is unwilling to take in too many foreigners, especially since his main priority is making sure the Vale is safe and defended against the fanaticals and madmen across the Narrow Sea. His contract thus appeals to the Westerosi core of the Golden Company, knights and lancers and such, but excludes the Essosi and other "strange" elements, including lowly Westerosi who have grown used to the climate and/or comfort of Starfall or Sunspear. Tensions between the Company leadership come to a head with the death (assassination?) of Corlys Velaryon, whose death precipitates a succession crisis in Starfall: there's his infant daughter by his estranged (divorced?) wife and there's his infant son by Ashara Dayne. Rhaegar and the Martells chose Ashara's son, and generally the people at Starfall want Ashara in power/at the head, whereas the ones headed to the Vale are the ones most attached to the Blackfyre cause. Either to seal the deal and secure the loyalty of this professional army, or for certain other reasons, Lord Jon Arryn ends up marrying the widow of Starfall and thus normalising the settlement of the Golden Company in the Vale.

Rhaegar is not necessarily shut out of the story but also, in my mind, not an integral part. Since the timeskip is all about the two sides coming together I'd rather not have Rhaegar being the only one with agency or ownership on the storyline, if that makes sense.​
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I'm fine with this.
 
Numby said:
lol this isnt even close to the most toxic we've been. This is actually par the course.
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It is too toxic for me. I just spent the last thirty minutes calming down from a panic attack and I won't let a game start having that kind of effect with me again. I am sorry as I know everyone has put in a lot of work but I can't in good conscience continue with this. If someone wants to pick up I am totally okay with it but I will no longer be modding for this game.
 
Skrevski said:
It is too toxic for me. I just spent the last thirty minutes calming down from a panic attack and I won't let a game start having that kind of effect with me again. I am sorry as I know everyone has put in a lot of work but I can't in good conscience continue with this. If someone wants to pick up I am totally okay with it but I will no longer be modding for this game.
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Ok.

Thank you very much for your time, I'm very sorry we ruined this for you and hope to God you are ok.
 
I had a blast running this I really did. And I do hope to enjoy more games with you guys. I just think GoT is a hard sell for a game in the later points of the timeline. Maybe something in a earlier timeline would cause less drama like at the conquest or something.
 
Skrevski said:
I had a blast running this I really did. And I do hope to enjoy more games with you guys. I just think GoT is a hard sell for a game in the later points of the timeline. Maybe something in a earlier timeline would cause less drama like at the conquest or something.
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In all honesty, it's always going to be intense. It's a game where we kill and kidnap and betray and stab stab stab at each other's hearts until they're tiny and hurting.

But...that's the fun of it.
 
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