[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.
A Harry Potter Quest: He who was not
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- Central Europe
[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.
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- SG
[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.
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- He/Him
But we have evidence from the original books that there is indeed a afterlife, weather it is through the resurrection stone or when Harry literally died and meet Dumbledore, all evidence suggests that souls move onto an afterlife after death. So yes this act is 100% worse than Horcrux creation, just because they lived full lives does not mean it is in anyway OK to take away someones afterlife. At least Voldemort let his victims move on to whatever comes next but Perenelle mutilated hundreds of souls just to see if she could play God.
[X] She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
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- Englaaaand
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.
she would of totally gone "what if we took everyone on earths souls? ooh what can we do with that" eventually so im glad shes gone.
she would of totally gone "what if we took everyone on earths souls? ooh what can we do with that" eventually so im glad shes gone.
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- In the ocean of my heart
But won't they move on when he dies?
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
What the souls that were used to make up jacob?
Theyre sorta mince meat. Jacobs soul would move on when he dies the greater part of the souls of the dead that were used is presumably gone.
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- He/Him
I highly doubt it, from the sounds of it she cut up all of their souls and mashed them together to make Jacob. At this point the souls probably don't really retain their original lives and have been subsumed into making a soul that Jacob can function with, even when Jacob dies it'll be his soul that moves on not everyone else as they make up the foundation for Jacobs soul.
From what I understand, it'd be Nicolas that would think that, and Perenelle that would convince him to move forward with the plan. Well in this specific example, I don't think she would. She struck me as practical in that sense. If everyone is sacrificed, there'd be no one to remember Nicolas's greatness.
[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.
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- Englaaaand
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
We might know that but, Jacob does not.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
No All jacob knows is that 200+ people that were supposed to be friends with the Flammels were tricked and defrauded and had their literal souls shredded.
This vote is clearly an alignment vote at it's base. It's about how Jacob interprets and views the world.
She was great is Jacob going down the evil route, evil people can be personal, they have friends, they can have love and joy, they can be multifaceted but that doesn't stop them being evil.
"She did what was needed" is the grey route, it's also a self rationalisation to protect Jacob from thinking to deeply about his existence. This is the one for shades of grey where Jacob could go either way in the future.
She's a monster is the good route, it's the route that is disgusted with the idea of tricking people into thinking you're their friend so you can harvest them like a long term greenhouse project. Where you view treating people like potions ingredients as abhorrent and inimical to any kind of reasonable ethics.
I'm assuming people voting for the SHe was great option haven't grasped this, but if I'm wrong and you genuinely see things this way and want to vote for it any way just let me know and I'll shut up about it.
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- Behind you
[X] She had become nothing but a monster – You had been created out of nothing but the results of evil. Those that had been betrayed died without knowing their fate. They had been sealed to nurture an experiment and to create something that was wrong to exist and now you must live with this burden, for it is on you to carry her sin until the day that you died.
I can't really see what she did as great. What's so special about tricking a bunch of people and using their souls to create life? It's undoubtedly difficult and requires great skill, but it just doesn't feel like enough to mark her as one of the Greats.
I can't really see what she did as great. What's so special about tricking a bunch of people and using their souls to create life? It's undoubtedly difficult and requires great skill, but it just doesn't feel like enough to mark her as one of the Greats.
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- Spain
We don´t know that, I mean, for all we know Jacob can be like an Arrancar from Bleach, an amalgamation of souls that have acquired a distinct identity and personality, and once he dies the souls would be released and Jacob´s identity will disappear...
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- He/Him
Either option would be bleak as fuck and I would be very disappointed to learn that Jacob will cease to exist when he dies.
Please.
Jacob is not going to do evil if we don't choose for him to do so.
This vote is not a threshold that will define if Jacob will definitely become evil or not.
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- Italy
[X] She had achieved what was great
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- being near locations is my passion.
I think that some grasp it, some do not - your "let me know" works when talking one on one or in a small group where you can get immidiate feedback from all, but not over a forum - my point is that your open request for feedback is formulated poorly for the forum/quest format.
I think some are more eager to see Jacob embrace doing terrible things in the name of some abstract "greatness" or goal rather than the work of confronting the horror of his creation, dealing with those emotions, and hopefully come out the other side knowing that he is defined by his choices, not the circumstances of his birth.
...And some people just wanna play Sociopath!Jacob
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- Czech Republic
It will merely mean that he will believe that committing evil to achieve your goals is mark of greatness.
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- Germany
Won't comment at this at all this time. I very carefully worded the three of them to give you all the information you guys need.
Vote is going to be kept open still, am working either way. Current tally:
Vote is going to be kept open still, am working either way. Current tally:
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Doubtful.
What you're suggesting is that there's no price to this at all. That would seem to contradict what we we're told by the person letting us know about it.
The wording suggests that Jacob believes that they are permanently barred from passing on. That their souls were essentially used as fuel to create his life. You're contradicting Jacobs own point of view to justify your self and using metaphysics from a completely different setting that is nothing like this one to do so.
With respect we don't vote on every single action Jacob does. The details are left entirely up to the GM and we only set direction and calendar scheduling + some important moments votes like this one. We don't get to write in on every situation either. This vote will categorically close down options for us in the future and they simply wont appear to be voted on.
The vast majority of my time in rpgs and such comes from playing in a table top group with friends or some times strangers and so that probably has filtered how I'm trying to respond. I'd prefer as a general rule to work with people in a cooperative sense rather than a combative one. The latter is exhausting and generates illwill to no good end.
I don't think it's wrong to try and get a dialogue going even if my method is probably inefficient and now i'm rambling. Plus this thread as a general rule currently has a smaller voterbase where this might be possible.
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- Spain
And maybe the barred from passing on is because it is exactly what she did, she trapped them and barred them from passing on to the afterlife so that she could use them later, there are many possible interpretations for those lines...
But my point was that there is waaay too many things that don´t know yet, AFAIK this ritual is totally unprecedented, and trying to guess what will happen after Jacob dies now is WMG... Maybe the other souls are shredded too much in the process and all it is left is Jacob´s Soul, maybe all the Souls inside of him will be released and his identity will be dissolved... OR MAYBE there is a golden ending in which all the souls are freed and his own soul keeps existing... We simply don´t know it just yet.
Putting that aside, now I really want to get the Patronus Charm ASAP, because I am pretty sure that, in the dementor's eyes, Jacob´s soul will look like a frigging banquet...
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- being near locations is my passion.
It's called "walking a dark path to evil" not "teleport to the end a dark path to evil"
Here are my assertions:
"The methodology of Jacob's creation was evil (based on my understanding of how HP handles 'souls')"
How Jacob reacts to this is a major impact into who he is going to be, his future goals, and the future means that he uses to achive them.
This vote will affect the narrative of later chapters, how he interacts with the world and other people - a vote for 'greatness makes the cost (paid for by other people) worth it' will change the tenor of how Jacob sees people - he will become just that much closer to being the person who would not care that his questions to the Grey Lady were cruel.
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What we should consider is what will he cast aside in the pursit of some intellectual curiosity he deems "great" enough? 200 souls ground up to construct one person was ok in Pernell's book. That was within her limits. What fetters will we construct or chip away for Jacob?
You saying that Sonic is saying that this one choice will make Jacob evil is strawman-tier in it's misunderstanding of his point.
It is many choices over time that define a person. To argue that this is a binary good/evil FOREVER! choice is to misunderstand the context. It's choosing a path, and one can step off a path. It's hard though. And you can't retrace your steps. Any harm done, no matter how small... is done.
If this vote is not one of many that will (in aggregate) define Jacob's world view, who he is, then what do you imagine will define him?
Was just trying to point out that your invitation to "let me know" could result in two or three indivuals saying 'we get it, don't care' and you have no way of knowing if there are maybe 15 others that haven't though about it, 'cuz this is a text based forum.
Your intent is good, this very specific methology has a major flaw due to the format.
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