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A Harry Potter Quest: He who was not

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Nemomagnus said:
For me that would be character development. Jacob has been shown the consequences of acting carelessly and having someone else take the fall for it with Harry. He has also been shown to have been affected by the experience we see in the update where they talk.



These option were all provided by the QM, not write-ins, thus I'm confident that none of them are quite as antithetical as that to Jacob.
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What do you mean? We voted Jacob to be an arrogant perfectionist and one of the lessons he learned was aside from failing to keep Harry from being a werewolf and should have killed Lupin when he had the chance was also to not leave unfinished business unfinished. I'm sure Peter will be emotional about his final guest in Azkaban when he joins Perenelle in the fires of hell. Another was maybe he should have been gentler with the questioning but he hated Lupin and thought he was a mediocre teacher so no skin off his nose when he resigned from Hogwarts, since he's so advanced in the curriculum that it's only because he was a Ravenclaw that he still has insights on his classes.

While they are all choices created by the QM they are not equal or at least some are faster or slower to lose our allegiance to our wand. It would be a disservice to your reading skills and the ability to interpret context clues if you believe that all choices are equal if you are more introspective.
 
[X] Following behind baby steps – While you see merit in evolving out of the deadlock that wizardry has been kept in for a thousand years, you don't think it can be done all at once. You fear of getting to grow up a cog in the machine, like many free thinkers did before you, because you do not dare to think just big enough. But it is important to you to not have the world fall in chaos once magic is released into every corner of the realms.
 
[X] Magic without restriction

Realistically, we're not going to get to revealing the magical world within the scope of this quest, or at least, this would be an endgame thing. So what this really is, is a character choice. I want Jacob to keep being the kid who dreams big and reaches far. It's one of the best things about him to read and as such I want to encourage that.
 
ALanos said:
It would be a disservice to your reading skills and the ability to interpret context clues if you believe that all choices are equal if you are more introspective.
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I was with you until this sentence. Let's not fall back into backslaps like this remark. The thread is super civilized and polite. That's unnecessary.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
the it's not in character argument is always bollocks.
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Please elaborate on that. If something is clearly out of line with all previous choices/characterization of the character then it removes believability. It stops feeling like a person and rather just becomes a mouthpiece for whatever hivemind opinion comes up next. There is much less in character justification for baby steps than for without borders, which makes the option feel more jarring when you look at it holistically.
 
Jacob is both ic and ooc controlled by the collective will of hundreds of souls. More than that all of the options were from the GM no write ins.

All options are by definition in character.
 
GenericName said:
There is much less in character justification for baby steps than for without borders, which makes the option feel more jarring when you look at it holistically.
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Honestly, I disagree with this pretty heavily, there's plenty of justification either way.

Magic Without Restriction goes back to and reinforces Jacob's belief about how magic and knowledge should be free and people should live as they wish and that he should pursue what he wants/thinks is right without hesitation or pause.

Meanwhile Baby Steps is more about Jacob learning from the werewolf experience and that he needs to be careful and that he can't go off gungho about everything that he wants to do. Remember, he does consider the indicent to be a major failing of his in the story even if other people do not think it to be his fault.

You can prefer one characterisation over the other and that's fine - I like the Magic Without Restriction route more myself. However, I do not think it's fair to say that Baby Steps feels jarring in comparison to Magic Without Restriction, they are both logical extensions of Jacob's character based on the experiences hes had.
 
Nemomagnus said:
For me that would be character development. Jacob has been shown the consequences of acting carelessly and having someone else take the fall for it with Harry. He has also been shown to have been affected by the experience we see in the update where they talk.
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Absolutely agree with this and I'd think part of this most recent update is Jacob working his way through the amount of danger and risk he took over the school year. It takes time to decompress after a stressful situation and coming to character changes as a result of this would be interesting.
 
[X] Following behind baby steps

Caution makes the most sense here, Jacob still has the events of Harry's transformation into a werewolf on his mind. In fact, most of Jacob's fuck ups are a result of a lack of caution or a lack of empathy. Jacob isn't stupid, he's realized it himself multiple times.If this was before this year, I could see the magic without restrictions one being obvious to Jacob. This isn't the case however, which makes baby steps the right choice in my eyes.
 
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Cruzerblade said:
Honestly, I disagree with this pretty heavily, there's plenty of justification either way.

Magic Without Restriction goes back to and reinforces Jacob's belief about how magic and knowledge should be free and people should live as they wish and that he should pursue what he wants/thinks is right without hesitation or pause.

Meanwhile Baby Steps is more about Jacob learning from the werewolf experience and that he needs to be careful and that he can't go off gungho about everything that he wants to do. Remember, he does consider the indicent to be a major failing of his in the story even if other people do not think it to be his fault.

You can prefer one characterisation over the other and that's fine - I like the Magic Without Restriction route more myself. However, I do not think it's fair to say that Baby Steps feels jarring in comparison to Magic Without Restriction, they are both logical extensions of Jacob's character based on the experiences hes had.
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This logic only works if you see the options here as a plan of action. They are not. They are just how Jacob thinks society itself SHOULD function. No matter what option we pick Jacob will not immediately run to release magic to the world, and prudent caution can be used for magic without borders because this vote is not about action.

That's the reason I find baby steps so jarring, it's because if you look at Jacob's upbringing and his view on muggles, magic is his entire world. It's all he's known. There's no justification for him to not see unrestricted magic as a purely good thing imo.

I also don't enjoy the whole "Jacob is an amalgamation of 100s of souls so therefore he can make any arbitrary decision because he is a literal hivemind." I also don't agree with the idea that all options proposed by the GM are equal in terms of narrative cohesion or gameplay benefit, especially when we have better synergy with our wand due to certain actions.

It's fine to have your own opinions on what is in or out of character, but to dismiss the argument entirely just feels wrong.
 
@Tabula Rasa I have a relatively stupid question, mostly related to our alchemical projects and our abysmal level of Muggle Studies, but one that will probably help us with describing the effects of any Magical Item that we want to create.
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[ ] In Search of New Spells – Go into the library and look for new spells that you could try to learn. If you have some specific effect in mind, write it down.
[ ] In Search of New Potions – Go into the library and look for new potions that you could try to learn. If you have some specific effect in mind, write it down.
[ ] Do Something! – Be creative. Or go and do nothing. Your decision really. Specify what you want to do.
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Basically, if we want to use these actions to search for ways of creating new magical items, can we use DnD (or other similar TTRPG) names to describe the effect that we want the magical items to have (i.e. [ ] Do Something! Look for ways to create a Bag of Holding)? Or since Jacob doesn't know anything about Muggles TTRPG we have to avoid doing that?
 
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I don't think isolating a useful effect is the hard bit. Bigger on the inside would be a concept Jacob is familiar with, the means of space manipulation would be the hard part. I'm sure that there are other useful concepts that Jacob has completely missed due to his lacking knowledge about more mundane things, we should definitely get going on filling those gaps.

Light sabers, decoys, flashbangs, torpedos, sonar and night vision, there's definitely a world of stuff that Jacob is missing and are easy to comprehend once conceived of. The problem is taking that idea from fiction or the mundane world and manifesting it with magic.
 
Thi hiatus was not formally anounced but it had been almost 2 months witout updates , it's probably safe to say the quest is on hiatus again.
 
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