A Golden Island To The West — California ISOT from 2018 to 1850

Anyway, ignoring the mass confusion, how is the Californian antibiotic industry here? I've read a manga called Jin, which involved a low-tech way to make penicillin.
I don't exactly know too much about this sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few places that make the stuff. However, antibiotic-resistant bacteria are a thing, so it may not exactly matter in some cases.
 
That 1st might be a solution but the document as presented claims all those people are citizens of California, without any clear statement that they have a choice on the matter. I think it would be simpler and less controversial to say that such people could claim Californian citizenship rather than unilaterally announcing they were Californians. That's all I'm saying. This way it is likely to put a few backs up among the people involved and also among the downtime nations as it at least implies California is imposing it on people who may be considered British, American, French etc.
It would seem a trade-off with the people who would become twitchy were an official document to declare that the authorities could chuck them out to the tender mercies of downtime authorities who may not even consider them human unless hoops X, Y, & Z are jumped through in triplicate maybe. Given that there are people trying to finesse mass expulsions to Mexico as it stands I can see where a default stance grant full protection to all uptimers is the most popular move.

And I doubt the head-hunters sent out by Paris, London, et. al. will care one way or the other.
 
That 1st might be a solution but the document as presented claims all those people are citizens of California, without any clear statement that they have a choice on the matter. I think it would be simpler and less controversial to say that such people could claim Californian citizenship rather than unilaterally announcing they were Californians. That's all I'm saying. This way it is likely to put a few backs up among the people involved and also among the downtime nations as it at least implies California is imposing it on people who may be considered British, American, French etc.
People don't generally have the right to refuse citizenship. Almost every country on Earth has conditions that automatically grant citizenship (the Vatican City is an exception, but I think it's unique), and some even prohibit renouncing it.
 
I don't know if I missed it, or if I just don't remember.

Was the issue of prisoners, their housing, and feeding be raised? Many prisons are funded by selling their prisoners work for military sector companies.
There is also the issue that in the current constitution prisoners are de facto LEGAL slaves.
Wouldn't this somehow affect the whole issue of slavery? With downtime America seeing Californians as hypocrites?

A quick !google showed that there are some 600.000 people serving time or in community service, according to 2013 data.


What of the drug dealing gangs, that are now cut off from their plant sources. Wouldn't there be some long term thinking people going south to mexico or south america to get their own little cartels or even empires started?
What of people heading to South US states to enjoy their slave booty?

Uptime Marijuana War?
Cocaine Rumble?
Booty Call Florida?
 
What of the drug dealing gangs, that are now cut off from their plant sources. Wouldn't there be some long term thinking people going south to mexico or south america to get their own little cartels or even empires started?
What of people heading to South US states to enjoy their slave booty?

Uptime Marijuana War?
Cocaine Rumble?
Booty Call Florida?

Production chain delay is long enough and border UAV patrols sufficient that it's unlikely they'll still have customers by the time they're ready to sell...
 
I don't know if I missed it, or if I just don't remember.

Was the issue of prisoners, their housing, and feeding be raised? Many prisons are funded by selling their prisoners work for military sector companies.
There is also the issue that in the current constitution prisoners are de facto LEGAL slaves.
Wouldn't this somehow affect the whole issue of slavery? With downtime America seeing Californians as hypocrites?

A quick !google showed that there are some 600.000 people serving time or in community service, according to 2013 data.


What of the drug dealing gangs, that are now cut off from their plant sources. Wouldn't there be some long term thinking people going south to mexico or south america to get their own little cartels or even empires started?
What of people heading to South US states to enjoy their slave booty?

Uptime Marijuana War?
Cocaine Rumble?
Booty Call Florida?
On Prisoners: I think I mentioned it on AH.com and I will repeat it here. The movement to cut loose non-violent drug offenders will get a serious boost if for no other reason than the need to direct money elsewhere. With that the claim that convict labor is a mere replacement for what Dixie manages rings rather more hollow.

On Drug Gangs going Filibuster: De-prioritizing the War On Some Drugs, and taxing the crap, is another source of state income. Between that, the lead time on the crops, and the problems the gangs would have lacking any further support....
 

This is among the most hilarious concepts ever advocated by any group of humans throughout history.

With that in mind, I would advise making porn and masturbation socially acceptable. The US military advocated for such to try to reduce venereal disease in WWII after all. (EDIT: if you don't believe me, pin-up posters and books were distributed to this end, and aircraft nose art was often inspired by said items...)
 
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And more rural (isolated), married (both at a younger age more likely to have just one sexual partner), and not as mobile. I'm doubtful it'll be a blip as a health issue for at least a generation. Some UT and DT bugs crossing over could lead to 'interesting times' but the DT'ers are used to disease as a major killer where the UT'ers get their knickers in a bind if 6 folks die in a nation of over 300 million.
 
Chapter 32
Grand Park, Los Angeles — June 19th, 1851

Hundreds of thousands of people flooded the streets of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego, and hundreds of cities across California and across the downtime United States. All of them united towards one purpose, to call for the worldwide abolition of slavery.

The Juneteenth rally had been the brainchild of the California chapters of NAACP, Black Lives Matter, and heavily supported by the ascendant left-wing and liberal activism groups like the Democratic Socialists of America, Courage Campaign, and the SEIU.

Prior to the event, June 19th or "Juneteenth" had been the celebration of the end of slavery, marking the date when word of the Emancipation Proclamation had reached Texas in 1865, now though, Juneteenth had a different meaning. It was a day of action for the worldwide end to slavery.

The biggest surprise though were the downtimers in California, who had taken to the idea with a convert's enthusiasm. It wasn't long before California was printing and shipping boxes upon boxes of signs, stickers, and leaflets to downtime abolitionist groups in preparation for Juneteenth. William Lloyd Garrison heavily promoted the event in his newspaper "The Liberator," Horace Greeley's New York Daily Tribute promoted a Juneteenth march in The Battery.

All across New England, anti-slavery demonstrations had changed the conversation from "no more slave states" to "no slave states."

Within DC itself, anti-slavery demonstrations had turned violent as pro-slavery counter-protesters swarmed and surrounded the abolitionist demonstrators.

Like many other cities, the two sets of demonstrators had been clashing verbally, but the counter-demonstrators had accused the abolitionists of throwing rocks at them, and the pro-slavery crowd had "responded" with violence.

And the nation's newspapers, on both sides of the issue, were there providing every lurid detail of the altercations with photographs and woodcut illustrations.

In many ways, the events on June 19th were a microcosm of how the slavery issue was perceived. Abolitionists would speak out in harsh language, while the pro-slavery factions would respond with violence. In a different timeline, one that has been irrevocably altered by the arrival of California, this contrast would come to be typified by the assault upon Senator Charles Sumner by Preston Brooks.

The veil of respectable politics had been irreversibly torn from the face of the slavery debate.

America had passed the point of no return.
 
Time to bust a foot off in the South. Hopefully General Sherman hits them hard enough this time.

 
A morbid thought I just had: a morally questionable uptimer is about to introduce cigarettes to the world.
 
Which would honestly be less harmful than the pipe smoking common then, if they're manufactured with modern filters.
There will probably be a market for vaping, too. Outside of California it would probably be limited to selling disposable ecigs due to the lack of power sources to recharge box mods with.
 
There will probably be a market for vaping, too. Outside of California it would probably be limited to selling disposable ecigs due to the lack of power sources to recharge box mods with.
Think about what goes into an ecig. The tech.

Cali can export them, sure, but nobody can buy them. The materials inside are worth more than oil and gold to Cali at the moment. Like as not, every bit of tech is going into cars and computers. They just can't afford to piss away those materials. They don't have good ways of getting more of them.

I imagine electronics recycling is at an all time high in Cali. Also wouldn't be surprised if they started landfill mining.
 
I imagine electronics recycling is at an all time high in Cali. Also wouldn't be surprised if they started landfill mining.
This is a great hazard to the environment and people doing it. The cost of safely doing it would likely outweigh just importing raw materials from, or investing in mines aboard to do just that.
 
America had passed the point of no return.

Good riddance!

This is a great hazard to the environment and people doing it. The cost of safely doing it would likely outweigh just importing raw materials from, or investing in mines aboard to do just that.

Local refugees could easily fill the need for cheap labour for such. Landfill mining in Translocated California probably has a higher life expectancy than most Local careers! And they'd get education programs in the meantime.
Oh, and prisoners could be put to work in such a job. It's safer than Local (or easily installable) mining technology!
 
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importing raw materials from
Import them from where? Nobody else even has mines for these metals, let alone knows how to even mine for them.
investing in mines aboard to do just that.
So you're telling me that it would be cheaper to invest in setting up a rare earth mine abroad including all of the infrastructure for mining, smelting, transport, and education, than it would for landfill mining?

And why is landfill mining so dangerous? It's not like you're sending people in for scraps. It's done mechanically.
 
So you're telling me that it would be cheaper to invest in setting up a rare earth mine abroad including all of the infrastructure for mining, smelting, transport, and education, than it would for landfill mining?
Modern mines need to dig deep and be very large for that purpose, which means more, and heavier mining equipment. This also means that they need to mine MORE to be profitable, and competing with other mines.

Meanwhile downtime!World has yet untapped deposits with a lot of easily accessible minerals on the surface, or close enough to the surface that small scale equipment can reach it.

A steam (coal or wood burned) engine could generate electricity, and small electric excavators could do the work, charging periodically. Assuming local economy cant build direct steam powered equivalents.
Then you can just move the whole produce ashore where now unused container ships could act as bulk carriers. Alternatively just use steam ships.
You can refine minerals back home.
Since you have nobody to compete with, prices are determined by your own demand.

And why is landfill mining so dangerous?
Decay of many old electric components that includes gases and acids. Even with machine handling one site, you still need to manually shift through and segregate the stuff. There is also the risk of some of that stuff leaking into the ground, despite this not being an issue before in was covered over with soil.
 
Just to make sure what is this point of no return? The way I am reading this is that the Union may be saved (with California as part of it) at the cost of having the Civil War a decade earlier.
IMO that was the only way to have California still be part of this 1850s USA, btw.
 
Just to make sure what is this point of no return? The way I am reading this is that the Union may be saved (with California as part of it) at the cost of having the Civil War a decade earlier.
The North might not be ready for this fight, since both sides would have a similar technology level, and transportation ability. Without Calis intervention ,with both sides closer in ability things could get unpleasant.
 
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