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Absum wasn't RB'd night 1, that was Nanimani. I've got to admit, I'm reading town on you in general, but I don't like it when someone spreads misinformation and then uses that misinformation to base an argument. It just makes me suspicious.
Yeah... my mistake but all that does is raise the likelihood of your statement by 1 person confirmed to have an action.
Lets overview the dead:
- Rosen : Nigel, Scribe (Potential Messenger? Or Vanilla)
- QT : Old Basset, Gamekeeper (I don't have a clue)
- LTTL : ???, "Butler" Scum
- Nanimani : Orton Vastare, Head Guard (Almost certainly a power role, assuming cop)
- Happery : Jason Von Vorhees, Minor Noble (Vanilla)
- Absum : Dame Margaret Dewalt, Knight/Physician (Doctor)
- Ban : Kevin, Messanger Boy (Confirmed Vanilla... also points to Rosen being Vanilla cause... messenger is right in the name. )
- Nictis : "Geralt," "Castle Guard" (Scum in communication with Evenstar)
- Est : Pauline, Baker (Very likely a Vanilla)
So let me look at this
2 Scum - One known to have communications with another,
potentially of the same or different factions.
4 Likely to Confirmed Vanilla
1 Doc
1 Suspected Cop
1 Unknown potential Vanilla (QT)
Living:
1 Bulletproof Claim = Comi
1 Tracker Claim = DG
2 Mason-Neighborhood/Recruitment Claim = Evenstar/Meso
1 Recruited Vanilla Claim = Hobo
2 Vanilla Claims = Pyrros
1 Random Nexus Claim = Cyric
So we know there are lies here, but lets look at how this gets put together assuming Gamekeeper=vanilla.
17 Players:
8 Vanillas
1 Town Cop
1 Town Doc
1 Bulletproof Townie
1 Random Nexus Townie
1 Town Tracker
2 Masons (That Recruit)
2 Scum (BloodBrotherhood)
This game size can't fit 5 scum especially with the vanillas, so 4 is highest and 3 is lowest.
Thus town must be 13-14 players strong. Cop and Doc are sure fits, and I know bulletproof is in game so there is space for 10-11 town roles left. Being able to recruit has been confirmed by Hobo which leads to credence in the claims of the mason-recruiters, so we can reasonably drop those 2, and masons are fairly common design. 8-9 Town roles remain. We are up to 5 power roles, the game, in general, seems fairly low powered thus I assume at the bare minimum power roles are equivalent to the number of powered townies thus we can add 5 vanillas safely. 3-4 Town roles remain.
We know that a roleblocker must exist, so there must exist active town roles for it to exist, it stops cop, doc, and recruitment, which isn't an unreasonable amount for a roleblocker to stop, though pretty low. Tracker is stoppable thus is reasonable in design. If we assume such is town we end up with 1-2 town left a 6th vanilla townie being confirmed with Nexus being fake (and by far the most outlandish power claim in-game making it inherently the most suspect in this clearly low power game... even with the weird recruiting mason funking up the design. In 4 scum we get a 7th vanilla.
So if we assume 4 scum, and we assume that DG is town, the logical design output results in this design:
7 Vanillas
2 Recruiting Masons
1 Cop
1 Doc
1 Bulletproof
1 Tracker
4 Scum, the last two scum = Pyrros and Cyricubed, due to the findings of DG making DG the false vanilla claim... however... that doesn't work... because Evenstar claimed roleblocked again, and we know Nanimani was roleblocked night 1 so if we assume the DG visit of Cyric is accurate and Cyric is lying about their Nexus claim due to being scum they apparently visited Nictis and thus are not the roleblocker, which makes Pyrros the Roleblocker but they were found visiting Nictis the night they died which indicates them to be the killer and not the Roleblocker. Thus the roleblocker doesn't have a player that is them.
Let me make another assumption, if DG is truthful and Cyric is truthful, then we can point to Pyrros being the killer, but then the game is designed with 6 Vanillas and 7 power roles... which comes off strange to me but I guess not out of the possibilities but then 1 of the remaining vanilla claims behind 1k and Hobo must be a false one.
I'll ramble about this stuff later... Cause I could keep going but I expect this is already very long.
