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A Game of Crowns (Mafia)

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Nictis said:
Okay, so. I say that I expect two different scum groups, one of them possibly just a Serial Killer. The first are Assassins, who I expect to have one kill and the objective of killing one particular person. The second are the Invaders, who I expect to have standard Mafia goals of Parity and are what I'm saying you are.
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Or hell, I'll just go back one line in the post you quoted. Would you look at that?
one of them possibly just a Serial Killer.
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Wao.
 
oops I actually wanted to update the tally not insert the unupdated one
 
Nictis said:
Or hell, I'll just go back one line in the post you quoted. Would you look at that?

Wao.
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Okay, why do you think that there are two factions and why isn't LTTL possibly the SK?

Let me ask this clearly which of this is your belief?

1. Scum team with classical win condition, and then an SK without kills after the VIP?
2. Scum team with classical win condition that haven't night killed, and an SK without kills after the VIP?
3. Scum team with a wish to kill VIP, with an SK with classical win condition, one of the factions not killing?
4. Something else written simply?
 
Nictis said:
3, with the Scum Team not killing.
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Thank you, I don't really agree with this analysis, I'd assume either that LTTL is the SK and choose not to kill night 1 from inactivity, or that LTTL is part of the mafia team and because town loses on VIP death we don't have a second killing faction.
 
ComiTurtle said:
Thank you, I don't really agree with this analysis, I'd assume either that LTTL is the SK and choose not to kill night 1 from inactivity, or that LTTL is part of the mafia team and because town loses on VIP death we don't have a second killing faction.
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So because I do believe the VIP build... I guess LTTL isn't SK. That I'll concede on.
 
For now I've changed my mind on Comi again and think they're Town, though I'm not very sure.

A bit more positive on Nictis now but still scum lean I think?

Have gotten more suspicious of everyone else except for Pyrros, 1K and Cyri (and that last one is mostly because I was already suspicious of them :V) because all the fights feel increasingly Town v Town to me even if I'm still dubious about Nictis.

ComiTurtle said:
Currently Ban, Hobo, and Absum are my scum reads. Though Hobo the lowest of the three so let me change that.
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Reasons for Ban and me (esp me because I like hearing about myself, unless it's just the same as what's already been mentioned in which case you can skip me)?
 
Nictis said:
3, with the Scum Team not killing.
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This is definitely incorrect. This would imply one of the following:
Three scum factions, one of them LttL, one of them this SK, one of them standard Scum team. This seems like an odd setup, particularly as two of the factions would have had to refrain from killing day 1.
LttL is on standard Scum team- this seems odd given that they were explicitly "bloodletter brotherhood" rather than invaders.
LttL is serial killer. They sure as hell weren't responsible for the night 2 death, which means they probably weren't responsible for the night 1 death either.

ComiTurtle said:
Thank you, I don't really agree with this analysis, I'd assume either that LTTL is the SK and choose not to kill night 1 from inactivity, or that LTTL is part of the mafia team and because town loses on VIP death we don't have a second killing faction.
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I think LttL had a goal of killing one, specific, non-VIP player.
 
InterstellarHobo said:
This is definitely incorrect. This would imply one of the following:
Three scum factions, one of them LttL, one of them this SK, one of them standard Scum team. This seems like an odd setup, particularly as two of the factions would have had to refrain from killing day 1.
LttL is on standard Scum team- this seems odd given that they were explicitly "bloodletter brotherhood" rather than invaders.
LttL is serial killer. They sure as hell weren't responsible for the night 2 death, which means they probably weren't responsible for the night 1 death either.


I think LttL had a goal of killing one, specific, non-VIP player.
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Interesting thoughts on LTTL there. May I ask why you believe such a design? How do you think their (LTTL) role would function if they were after a non-VIP player?
 
InterstellarHobo said:
I think LttL had a goal of killing one, specific, non-VIP player.
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Evidence for this isn't great, but "kill one guy, you have only one shot" would explain the lack of night 1 kill, would fit nicely with the being explicitly an assassin, and is supported by the high probability of LttL being a solo player.
The non-VIP part is... gut feeling let's say.
 
InterstellarHobo said:
This is definitely incorrect. This would imply one of the following:
Three scum factions, one of them LttL, one of them this SK, one of them standard Scum team. This seems like an odd setup, particularly as two of the factions would have had to refrain from killing day 1.
LttL is on standard Scum team- this seems odd given that they were explicitly "bloodletter brotherhood" rather than invaders.
LttL is serial killer. They sure as hell weren't responsible for the night 2 death, which means they probably weren't responsible for the night 1 death either.


I think LttL had a goal of killing one, specific, non-VIP player.
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I'll repeat.

Two Scum Factions, one is an Invader Serial Killer, the other are Assassins, is my belief.
 
Nictis said:
I'll repeat.

Two Scum Factions, one is an Invader Serial Killer, the other are Assassins, is my belief.
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This doesn't work all that well with my wincon, thinking about it?

I need to yeet all invaders. That's it. I've only been assuming that there is a VIP and that they matter because of the Veil related flavour in the D2 start post.

It's still possible, but atm I don't think it likely.
 
Like, we've got htis
LostDeviljho said:
They prove to be one of the half-beast savages from the far south, which would normally raise questions as to "what the fuck is it doing here?", but the sigil of the Bloodletter Brotherhood etched into its flesh answers that question quite handily. It seems somebody left an assassin running around without calling them off
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Which A: expresses general suprise amongst the crowd that an assassin is present
B: implies the assassin is singular

And then we've got this, amongst other posts
LostDeviljho said:
The invading forces descend into chaos within minutes. The loss of chain of command, the inability to distinguish friend and foe, and a few inciting comments from the locals all combine to turn the disciplined army into an unruly mob. A very upset unruly mob, carrying a lot of sharp objects
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Which more or less explicitly states that the invaders are plural.
 
InterstellarHobo said:
If you're thinking the Reim faction is one guy, and the Bloodletter Brotherhood is many guys, that doesn't work at all with the flavor given.
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No?
LostDeviljho said:
The Faceless Veil, a mystic Working originally devised to throw enemy forces into disarray, and later adapted into a defensive failsafe in case of hostile conquest.
A mental interference effect, obstructing the afflicted's ability to distinguish and recognize individuals, thus rendering chains of command impossible and sewing paranoia and distrust.
The people of Merovin, taught from youth the proper procedures for operating under the effect, hold a distinct advantage. After all, anonymity is an insurgency's best friend.
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The invading forces descend into chaos within minutes. The loss of chain of command, the inability to distinguish friend and foe, and a few inciting comments from the locals all combine to turn the disciplined army into an unruly mob. A very upset unruly mob, carrying a lot of sharp objects.

Some make their way forward to the front of the crowd, seeking to restore order, or exploit the herd mentality of the crowd, or perhaps simply escape the throng before they got stabbed somewhere important. Regardless of motivation, seventeen people find themselves the target of the majority of attention, faced with demands for a course of action and someone to blame.
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Lots of people with poky sticks in the crowd of NPC's, seventeen people step up. The Invaders seemingly have no way to coordinate, and the only people who might be able to deal with it are those that are acquainted with the Veil, as in Merovin.
LostDeviljho said:
The new corpse is discovered shortly after dawn. Despite the shattered jaw and pulverized rib cage, it is still identifiable as that of Captain Orton Vastare, head of the castle guard. Quite certainly a loyalist of the Kingdom of Merovin, but sadly not who many in the crowd are seeking.
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Meanwhile with the continued notes from the GM, it's obvious that the VIP is still being hunted, despite the death of an Assassin. So either the Assassins are dead and both factions are explicitly gunning for the VIP, or there are more Assassins. Given that the LttL is part of a Brotherhood, you can see which one I'm betting on.
 
LostDeviljho said:
The barbarians are at the gates. Treachery most foul has left the great city of Merovis open to invasion, and invade they have.

Homes burn and civilians flee in panic as the black-clad legion of Reim advances into the city.

Brave defenders are butchered and their bodies ground beneath iron boots, as the Royal Palace is breached.
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LostDeviljho said:
Cautiously, the corpse is approached and examined. They prove to be one of the half-beast savages from the far south, which would normally raise questions as to "what the fuck is it doing here?", but the sigil of the Bloodletter Brotherhood etched into its flesh answers that question quite handily. It seems somebody left an assassin running around without calling them off.
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I mean, do we even know that the Bloodletter Brotherhood isn't from Reim? The biggest strike against that theory is probably that last line there. Do scum sometimes have members who aren't in a QT with the rest? Not sure how strong of an argument that would be...

Actually, I think that this whole debate is kinda pointless? I don't think it'll help us find scum. We'll figure this out when we actually take another scum down. I don't think we need more Town vs Town fights right now.
 
Nictis said:
Meanwhile with the continued notes from the GM, it's obvious that the VIP is still being hunted, despite the death of an Assassin. So either the Assassins are dead and both factions are explicitly gunning for the VIP, or there are more Assassins. Given that the LttL is part of a Brotherhood, you can see which one I'm betting on.
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...it's been strongly hinted that Reim is gunning for the VIP, with all the "He ded, but veil still up" posts.
There's no actual evidence that LttL was ever gunning for the VIP, though that should probably be the default assumption.
And while LttL is part of a Brotherhood, "It seems somebody left an assassin running around without calling them off" does not support much of the Brotherhood being here.
 
@mesonoxian why do you think that the RoleBlocker is scum-aligned?? The only confirmed townie who was RBed was Nani if im not mistaken
 
Nvm, I missed the other things you said...

I note that you seem to lean town on ES tho
 
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