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A Champion in Earth Bet [Worm/Original Setting]

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GhostAngel21 said:
Were there any significant failures? Because if not then she just lucky far longer than she should have.
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Assuming you're being fair and honest with what constitutes a failure, none. Given what Earth Bet would have been if PTV didn't exist with Cauldron's resources to direct, every avenue the organization could and wished to influence succeeded. Because that's what Path To Victory does. Luck's like magic: It doesn't exist in Worm.

Why do you think it was only given out to a Host by a catastrophic accident?
 
Shards, even Broadcast, can't get the Admin access to just ping 'what will Scion do',, and Scion's movements have mostly been erratic. Jack didn't know Scion would be in California, he just took advantage of attracting his attention there.

Gold Morning wasn't some plan engineered by Jack, but instead one engineered by Thinkers who were far better informed and far better equipped to make it happen. To say it was 'luck' isn't perfectly accurate. Yes.

But from Jack's perspective? He just... keeps getting lucky. He doesn't even really know it's his Shard giving him all these insights, to the very end. If he gives a showing in fanfiction which is way more impressive than his Grand Finale of the S9000, the easy answer is that his spotlight as the Big Bad is far greater than his capacity to fill those shoes.

Avatar himself has stared down far greater, more cunning and smart opponents, and as evidenced by him systematically breaking down Jack's plans through counter strategy, if Jack can't make this at least a bit of a phyrric victory, then he has pretty soundly failed.

At best, even here, we can say he didn't plan ten times better. He just got a good power for taking risks but suffering no consequences for them. Which is rather emblematic of his behavior in canon. Let others take the risks. Then beat feet when he stops winning.
 
Always Late said:
Assuming you're being fair and honest with what constitutes a failure
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Cauldron-from what I've gathered-has many failings, but I just meant from them not seeing something coming in regards to having to work around Blindspots. If not, that sucks, and is a bit annoying, but eh, whatever.

Crake said:
Gold Morning wasn't some plan engineered by Jack,
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Which reminds me; does Coil not refer to Cauldron about anything? How in the loop is he about their purpose and what specifically HE is in Brockton Bay for? Because after hearing Dinah's Prophecy you'd think he'd call up someone and be like,"Yeah hey, Coil here. Ya know that End of the World scenario you guys are preparing for? Yeah, I got some good information you might wanna hear and act on."
 
GhostAngel21 said:
Cauldron-from what I've gathered-has many failings, but I just meant from them not seeing something coming in regards to having to work around Blindspots. If not, that sucks, and is a bit annoying, but eh, whatever.
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Yeah, sorry, my bad. That's a bit of a mix-up in wording, but the closest thing to what I think you mean is Trigger Events. Endbringers they do their best with, and society-wide repercussions are easier to spot and work with given their resources. But, for example, even if Contessa knew some sort of prophesy about a Striker-Thinker that would end the world over a decade early, she wouldn't have been able to see Jack Slash's Trigger Event's components and critical moments on Path To Victory. She didn't even know about the one randomly chosen guy Scion talks to because Scion's actions and consequences, for lack of a better term, overshadow him.

EDIT: Path To Victory you could almost use as a metaphor for all the tech-bro scams going around, like how Blockchain is supposed to solve all our problems. Path To Victory can't work with data it doesn't have. The only data it doesn't have are things it's specifically programmed not to know. Path To Victory always perfectly solves whatever problem it is given. It only fails when an outside variable happens, PTV can't do anything about Bad Data. There's no... "bad execution" or "human error" with it.
GhostAngel21 said:
Which reminds me; does Coil not refer to Cauldron about anything? How in the loop is he about their purpose and what specifically HE is in Brockton Bay for? Because after hearing Dinah's Prophecy you'd think he'd call up someone and be like,"Yeah hey, Coil here. Ya know that End of the World scenario you guys are preparing for? Yeah, I got some good information you might wanna hear and act on."
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BurnBright said:
Coil has very little knowledge about Cauldron. He's a product, not a partner.
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Yeah, Cauldron doesn't so much have an intelligence network so much as experiments they keep around in case they provide interesting data or become useful again. Contessa is a Thinker who gives them everything they need, and any desired second opinion can be found in their other Thinker Number Man or the 'pure' human Doctor Mother. Any assets outside the organization they basically have on tap anyway because Cauldron Is The Deep State. Coil hated and feared Cauldron, but didn't regret getting that vial from them for a moment, because Contessa's the perfect boogyman for his control freak egomania.
 
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Always Late said:
Yeah, Cauldron doesn't so much have an intelligence network so much as experiments they keep around in case they provide interesting data or become useful again. Contessa is a Thinker who gives them everything they need, and any desired second opinion can be found in their other Thinker Number Man or the 'pure' human Doctor Mother. Any assets outside the organization they basically have on tap anyway because Cauldron Is The Deep State. Coil hated and feared Cauldron, but didn't regret getting that vial from them for a moment, because Contessa's the perfect boogyman for his control freak egomania.
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Yeah that figures, leave it to Saucepan to half-bake any and all of their major ideas.
 
KnownParadox said:
Odds are we would've gotten a different plot if we chose a different character, more suited to each option. Probably all just as difficult, but in different ways.
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I imagine the Simurgh would not have prioritized killing, say, Tracer Pulse the way she did the Avatar. And I imagine his investigation into the Slaughterhouse Nine would have gone differently.

Also, just to be clear about Burnscar's attack on the fire department - most of the firefighters are still in it. Not everybody evacuates to Endbringer shelters, sadly.

re: Jack Slash: Jack may not be quite as clever as he appears at times (that shard-driven intuition does a lot of the heavy lifting), but he is dangerously clever.
Clever enough to come up with genuinely threatening plans, like how he grabbed Noelle.
Not so clever that he doesn't make mistakes (which is how you got Tattletale back).
 
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How do you prioritize targets?

[ ] Provide air support on the coastline for a few minutes. As the most powerful Blaster available, you can take some pressure off the defenders and give them room to breath.
-[ ] Spend enough time on the coastline to significantly reduce the threat. This should free some of the defenders - hopefully Eidolon - to help in the city.
[ ] End Burnscar's attack on the fire department. It should be quick enough - go in, take her and the monsters down, go out.
[ ] Help protect the shelters; unless they're stopped, Nilbog's creatures could kill hundreds, maybe thousands.
-[ ] Fully clear the enemies around the shelters, and hunt down any more enemies progressing through the sewers.
[ ] Try to gather information at the store, or at least bug the place.



To clarify-
The coastline has a bunch of heroes fighting there - Legend, Eidolon, Dauntless, Météore, Dragon, but also the Brazilian reinforcement, Vista, most of New Wave, a bunch of out-of-town Protectorate heroes... but there's thousands of monsters coming out of the water, trying to enter the city (via either the streets or the sewers).
Burnscar is in the process of burning down a fire department along with the firefighters inside. No-one is currently available to stop her.
At least three different shelters are being attacked by monsters. Several Protectorate and Guild heroes are defending the shelters.
The store was originally intended as one of the Nine's safehouses. It looks empty right now.
 
sun tzu said:
How do you prioritize targets?
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How is this vote supposed to happen? Is it a plan vote or we just vote for individual items and you order them by which got the most votes or what?

EDIT: Assuming it's the latter.

[X] End Burnscar's attack on the fire department. It should be quick enough - go in, take her and the monsters down, go out.

[X] Help protect the shelters; unless they're stopped, Nilbog's creatures could kill hundreds, maybe thousands.
 
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woweed said:
Posted in order of priority:
[X] Plan Woweed:
-[X] End Burnscar's attack on the fire department. It should be quick enough - go in, take her and the monsters down, go out.
--[X] Try to gather information at the store, or at least bug the place.
---[X] Help protect the shelters; unless they're stopped, Nilbog's creatures could kill hundreds, maybe thousands.
----[X] Provide air support on the coastline for a few minutes. As the most powerful Blaster available, you can take some pressure off the defenders and give them room to breath.
-----[X] Spend enough time on the coastline to significantly reduce the threat. This should free some of the defenders - hopefully Eidolon - to help in the city.
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While your enthusiasm is appreciated, please don't invent new ways of formatting the vote. That'll just make it harder for me to count. ^^'

Briefvoice said:
How is this vote supposed to happen? Is it a plan vote or we just vote for individual items and you order them by which got the most votes or what?

EDIT: Assuming it's the latter.

[X] End Burnscar's attack on the fire department. It should be quick enough - go in, take her and the monsters down, go out.

[X] Help protect the shelters; unless they're stopped, Nilbog's creatures could kill hundreds, maybe thousands.
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Yeah, you vote for individual items, and I count how many votes each one got.
 
sun tzu said:
While your enthusiasm is appreciated, please don't invent new ways of formatting the vote. That'll just make it harder for me to count. ^^'


Yeah, you vote for individual items, and I count how many votes each one got.
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Ah. OK. Sorry. In that case:
[X] End Burnscar's attack on the fire department. It should be quick enough - go in, take her and the monsters down, go out.
 
[X] Provide air support on the coastline for a few minutes. As the most powerful Blaster available, you can take some pressure off the defenders and give them room to breath.
-[X] Spend enough time on the coastline to significantly reduce the threat. This should free some of the defenders - hopefully Eidolon - to help in the city.
 
[X] End Burnscar's attack on the fire department. It should be quick enough - go in, take her and the monsters down, go out.

[X] Try to gather information at the store, or at least bug the place.
 
[X] End Burnscar's attack on the fire department. It should be quick enough - go in, take her and the monsters down, go out.

[X] Try to gather information at the store, or at least bug the place.

As sunt pointed out, everywhere else is at least partially defended, so I think we should trust the other capes to hold the coast and shelters for long enough to save the firefighters.

Also, we've already seen how incredibly important information superiority is, so that will help us down the line.
 
sun tzu said:
[ ] End Burnscar's attack on the fire department. It should be quick enough - go in, take her and the monsters down, go out.
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sun tzu said:
[ ] Try to gather information at the store, or at least bug the place.
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Much as I'm worried about the civilains/other Heroes, we gotta keep some faith in our comrades to hold the line. Ending the Nine is what I'm most concerned about, plus our information gathering has been game-changing.
 
[X] Provide air support on the coastline for a few minutes. As the most powerful Blaster available, you can take some pressure off the defenders and give them room to breath.
-[X] Spend enough time on the coastline to significantly reduce the threat. This should free some of the defenders - hopefully Eidolon - to help in the city.

EDIT: Changed my vote, since apparently the count isn't being made yet.
 
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[X] End Burnscar's attack on the fire department. It should be quick enough - go in, take her and the monsters down, go out.

[X] Try to gather information at the store, or at least bug the place.
 
[X] Provide air support on the coastline for a few minutes. As the most powerful Blaster available, you can take some pressure off the defenders and give them room to breath.
-[X] Spend enough time on the coastline to significantly reduce the threat. This should free some of the defenders - hopefully Eidolon - to help in the city.

Guys, the monster srmy is the bigger threat and its getting out of hand. As cold blooded as it is, the firefighters are the lesser loss than who onows how many people will die if the monster army breaks through.
 
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