[x] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
A Champion in Earth Bet [Worm/Original Setting]
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Something of a giv thinkers to help us process them faster and we'll send more your way. Okay.
[X] There are independent heroes desperately fighting to resist the rule of the cartels in their own nations across South and Central America. You can try to clandestinely bring them over, giving them a home in Brazil, where they'll help you fight the Brazilian cartels in exchange for future assistance with their own homelands.
By thy own hand be free. Also, force concentration.
[x] Belo Horizonte still had a police force while under supervillain rule - but its members were cops willing to answer to work for the cartel. While it's logistically tempting to keep them around, a thoroughly corrupt police force can actually be worse than no police at all. It's best to have all these people suspended, and have people you trust handle recruitment for the new Belo Horizonte police department, checking the personal credentials of each individual recruit and preexisting cop.
[ ] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
Both of these are temping though. Cleaning the police force out will cut off the cartel's information streams AND remove people abusing the population.
Wealth redistribution is directly making things better and proving that the government is for the people, but seems premature? I feel focusing on options that win today more cleanly is the play.
By thy own hand be free. Also, force concentration.
[x] Belo Horizonte still had a police force while under supervillain rule - but its members were cops willing to answer to work for the cartel. While it's logistically tempting to keep them around, a thoroughly corrupt police force can actually be worse than no police at all. It's best to have all these people suspended, and have people you trust handle recruitment for the new Belo Horizonte police department, checking the personal credentials of each individual recruit and preexisting cop.
[ ] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
Both of these are temping though. Cleaning the police force out will cut off the cartel's information streams AND remove people abusing the population.
Wealth redistribution is directly making things better and proving that the government is for the people, but seems premature? I feel focusing on options that win today more cleanly is the play.
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- Location
- Philippines
[X] Belo Horizonte still had a police force while under supervillain rule - but its members were cops willing to answer to work for the cartel. While it's logistically tempting to keep them around, a thoroughly corrupt police force can actually be worse than no police at all. It's best to have all these people suspended, and have people you trust handle recruitment for the new Belo Horizonte police department, checking the personal credentials of each individual recruit and preexisting cop.
I would rather not risk leaving ex-cartel members in charge of the police force. Rich jerks and independent heroes are nice and all but we would be relying on the police to control the non-cape members of the Cartel and we need to at least keep that down.
Having a good foundation for our recovery efforts is important.
I would rather not risk leaving ex-cartel members in charge of the police force. Rich jerks and independent heroes are nice and all but we would be relying on the police to control the non-cape members of the Cartel and we need to at least keep that down.
Having a good foundation for our recovery efforts is important.
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I like these both, but...
[ ] Belo Horizonte still had a police force while under supervillain rule - but its members were cops willing to answer to work for the cartel. While it's logistically tempting to keep them around, a thoroughly corrupt police force can actually be worse than no police at all. It's best to have all these people suspended, and have people you trust handle recruitment for the new Belo Horizonte police department, checking the personal credentials of each individual recruit and preexisting cop.
[X] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
[ ] Belo Horizonte still had a police force while under supervillain rule - but its members were cops willing to answer to work for the cartel. While it's logistically tempting to keep them around, a thoroughly corrupt police force can actually be worse than no police at all. It's best to have all these people suspended, and have people you trust handle recruitment for the new Belo Horizonte police department, checking the personal credentials of each individual recruit and preexisting cop.
[X] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
[X] There are independent heroes desperately fighting to resist the rule of the cartels in their own nations across South and Central America. You can try to clandestinely bring them over, giving them a home in Brazil, where they'll help you fight the Brazilian cartels in exchange for future assistance with their own homelands.
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[X] There are independent heroes desperately fighting to resist the rule of the cartels in their own nations across South and Central America. You can try to clandestinely bring them over, giving them a home in Brazil, where they'll help you fight the Brazilian cartels in exchange for future assistance with their own homelands.
Helps reduce hero casualties, gives Brazil more manpower to handle things like purging the police and catching wealthy people on their shit, and sets up for future coordination for the clearing of SA and CA.
Helps reduce hero casualties, gives Brazil more manpower to handle things like purging the police and catching wealthy people on their shit, and sets up for future coordination for the clearing of SA and CA.
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- Minnesota
[X] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
Arcane Howitzer
Serial Arcanist
- Location
- United States
[X] Belo Horizonte still had a police force while under supervillain rule - but its members were cops willing to answer to work for the cartel. While it's logistically tempting to keep them around, a thoroughly corrupt police force can actually be worse than no police at all. It's best to have all these people suspended, and have people you trust handle recruitment for the new Belo Horizonte police department, checking the personal credentials of each individual recruit and preexisting cop.
I think the events of the last few years speak for themselves on how dangerous it can be to use the wrong people to enforce the laws.
I think the events of the last few years speak for themselves on how dangerous it can be to use the wrong people to enforce the laws.
I'd say it's a universal problem, but certainly the past few years have reminded a lot of people of it. And not just in America.
That's a good way of destroying the region's economy permanently. Who's going to start a business when they know that success will lead to some superhero taking it away from them?
Solarion
For Light and Life
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Er, you did notice the 'elites of Belo Horizonte' part, right? As in the city that was ruled by criminals cartels for years? I rather doubt that anyone who wasn't on board with the cartels would have been allowed to retain any money or influence.
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Oh dearie me, the corrupt businesspeople who have been complicit with murdering people and have more money than they know what to do with will lose their money. And the option obviously says that literally everyone with any money loses it, right? Oh, the humanity!
I don't believe the Avatar has any special powers to determine whose money was gained in a way that justifies taking it and whose money wasn't. Of course, he could just take everything instead.
It's also going to be hard for the Avatar to convince people to stop going after the greedy businessmen when he leaves, now that he's started making it respectable. He may end up enabling the next group of Nazis who decide that the Jews are the greedy businessmen.
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Solarion
For Light and Life
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Again, you do realize that all the current elites of Belo Horizonte would have supported the cartels, right? The cartels would not have allowed anyone who opposed them to have power and hoard money.
That aside, I also rather doubt @sun tzu is giving us a choice to rob legitimate businessmen, since that kind of runs contrary to the themes of this entire quest so far.
[X] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
Gumiho
Reach heaven through violence!
[X] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
- Location
- Right Where I Am
[X] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
[X] Belo Horizonte still had a police force while under supervillain rule - but its members were cops willing to answer to work for the cartel. While it's logistically tempting to keep them around, a thoroughly corrupt police force can actually be worse than no police at all. It's best to have all these people suspended, and have people you trust handle recruitment for the new Belo Horizonte police department, checking the personal credentials of each individual recruit and preexisting cop.
I'm torn between the two of these. We need to make sure that the system itself isn't a broken and corrupted mess, and do more than just take out the supervillains.
Edit: Voting both since that's ok.
[X] Belo Horizonte still had a police force while under supervillain rule - but its members were cops willing to answer to work for the cartel. While it's logistically tempting to keep them around, a thoroughly corrupt police force can actually be worse than no police at all. It's best to have all these people suspended, and have people you trust handle recruitment for the new Belo Horizonte police department, checking the personal credentials of each individual recruit and preexisting cop.
I'm torn between the two of these. We need to make sure that the system itself isn't a broken and corrupted mess, and do more than just take out the supervillains.
Edit: Voting both since that's ok.
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You can. It's an open question how much of your advice the president will (and can) follow, though.
[X] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
[X] There are already plans in place to investigate each Lockboxed cartel cape individually to determine if they can be safely amnestied and recruited. These plans need to be prioritized and given full resources to advance quickly - Brazil will need all the parahumans it can get to resist the cartels' retaliation when it comes.
we can do multiple guys
[X] There are already plans in place to investigate each Lockboxed cartel cape individually to determine if they can be safely amnestied and recruited. These plans need to be prioritized and given full resources to advance quickly - Brazil will need all the parahumans it can get to resist the cartels' retaliation when it comes.
we can do multiple guys
...Dude. There were literally two voting posts between this and the previous counter you poster.
Please don't spam this thread.
Low_Hour
Idea Man
- Location
- Pennsylvania
[X] Belo Horizonte still had a police force while under supervillain rule - but its members were cops willing to answer to work for the cartel. While it's logistically tempting to keep them around, a thoroughly corrupt police force can actually be worse than no police at all. It's best to have all these people suspended, and have people you trust handle recruitment for the new Belo Horizonte police department, checking the personal credentials of each individual recruit and preexisting cop.
[X] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.
[X] The elites of Belo Horizonte - both the actual parahumans and the business leaders who collaborated with them - weren't exactly shy about hoarding wealth. Now is a good time to have most of it seized and redistributed to the less wealthy in the region. After all, the people need to see that the government is actually preferable to cartel rule, and future triggers will be more likely to side with the law.