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A Champion in Earth Bet [Worm/Original Setting]

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veekie said:
She'd also have worked on Noelle...if, you know, Noelle had the ability to NOT make evil clones of her by accident or panic.
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Yeah, the Wildbow WOG on that was literally: 'Coil tried it. Touched-based biology alteration vs. touch-based power/ dampening & absorption. That universe didn't work out.'
 
notanautomaton said:
You know there are probably a lot of heroes that are crippled but otherwise still capable. We should see about healing them once we get done with Grey Boy.
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Heroes who've lost a limb (or suffered a serious spinal injury) or had substantial nerve damage would be good candidates, although I imagine such cases are fast-tracked for what healers the Protectorate has (that are capable of fixing the given condition). Panacea is on a very well-deserved and desperately needed vacation, though...but I imagine those cases can wait a month or two.

Something else occurs to me: if Avatar manages to kill Jack Slash, then:
A) It represents the definitive end of Jack Slash, Coil, and Butcher simultaneously, with no new Butchers,
B) And, if it's even possible for Avatar to get a shard, then he'd get the whole slew of powers without any mental influence (since he's immune to all of that)--though I don't think this possibility is at all likely, and
C) It'd also be the end of Simurgh's influence on the world.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Something else occurs to me: if Avatar manages to kill Jack Slash, then:
A) It represents the definitive end of Jack Slash, Coil, and Butcher simultaneously, with no new Butchers,
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Only if he moves him to another universe first. Which he don't know to do unless someone tells him to(also, they have no real way to know whether or not the Butcher's power will effect him- we know it can't, but powers can be bullshit at times).
B) And, if it's even possible for Avatar to get a shard, then he'd get the whole slew of powers without any mental influence (since he's immune to all of that)--though I don't think this possibility is at all likely...
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Nope; Butcher's agent only moves to other parahumans- only way to do this would be to trigger, and... no.

The thought of the Butcher shard crying unending rage at its inability to act is hilarious, though.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
A) It represents the definitive end of Jack Slash, Coil, and Butcher simultaneously, with no new Butchers,
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Anaja said:
Iirc the Butcher goes to a random cape if the person who kills it isn't a potential candidate.
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Yup. Butcher goes to the nearest available parahuman. So we have to take Jack Slash alive and throw him in some sort of stasis field, or risk someone in the Guild becoming the new Jack Slash.
 
Always Late said:
Yup. Butcher goes to the nearest available parahuman. So we have to take Jack Slash alive and throw him in some sort of stasis field, or risk someone in the Guild becoming the new Jack Slash.
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There appears to be a range limit as well. If we give Jack the Ash Beast treatment, and then blow up the alternate that we leave him on, he should be ended permanently.

When Butcher was just Butcher, this could've been done with a ghost town, Miss Militia, and a Davy Crockett, but with Jack in the mix it takes a bit more effort.
 
SwiftRosenthal said:
There appears to be a range limit as well. If we give Jack the Ash Beast treatment, and then blow up the alternate that we leave him on, he should be ended permanently.

When Butcher was just Butcher, this could've been done with a ghost town, Miss Militia, and a Davy Crockett, but with Jack in the mix it takes a bit more effort.
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Do we need to blow up the alternate earth? Unless I'm forgetting some dimension hopping power that butcher has, leaving Jack on an uninhabited world seems like a fitting fate to me.
 
SwiftRosenthal said:
Well we don't want anyone else to find that alternate earth and let him out by purpose or accident, do we?
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The only known parahuman capable of doing that would be Doormaker. Possibly Eidolon, but I can imagine that he has lost whatever dimensional hopping powers he may have had.

I suppose a future Endbringer may be able to drag him back. Since we only know 5(?) of the canon EB, sun could make one up that uses direct dimensional shenanigans instead of just the infinite mass thing they have going on.
 
I wonder if The Avatar's temporary dimensional disruption that he uses for Gray Boy victims would prevent Butcher succession.
 
People wouldn't it be better if we could find a way to separate all the people who are connected to the Butcher shard at this point and then give each of them a fair judgement? I mean at least one of the Butchers was a hero before killing their predecessor. Why would we settle for the lesser solution of killing Butcher Jack before seeing if there is a way to separate Jack from his newly acquired powers?
 
Dmol8 said:
People wouldn't it be better if we could find a way to separate all the people who are connected to the Butcher shard at this point and then give each of them a fair judgement? I mean at least one of the Butchers was a hero before killing their predecessor. Why would we settle for the lesser solution of killing Butcher Jack before seeing if there is a way to separate Jack from his newly acquired powers?
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I imagine that would require us to experiment directly interfacing with a shard to try and modify it. Not very trivial.
Granted, that is something I want to do, if only so that Case 53's can gain the ability to turn their powers off.
 
Dmol8 said:
People wouldn't it be better if we could find a way to separate all the people who are connected to the Butcher shard at this point and then give each of them a fair judgement? I mean at least one of the Butchers was a hero before killing their predecessor. Why would we settle for the lesser solution of killing Butcher Jack before seeing if there is a way to separate Jack from his newly acquired powers?
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RoninSword said:
I imagine that would require us to experiment directly interfacing with a shard to try and modify it. Not very trivial.
Granted, that is something I want to do, if only so that Case 53's can gain the ability to turn their powers off.
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This. It'd be extremely difficult to do, and we'd have no ability to test out what we want to do before we do it. Not to mention said heroes are probably utterly insane, and their powers reduced if not outright gone. It's something I to would love to see happen, but I'm not getting my expectations up.
 
Dmol8 said:
People wouldn't it be better if we could find a way to separate all the people who are connected to the Butcher shard at this point and then give each of them a fair judgement? I mean at least one of the Butchers was a hero before killing their predecessor. Why would we settle for the lesser solution of killing Butcher Jack before seeing if there is a way to separate Jack from his newly acquired powers?
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Always Late said:
This. It'd be extremely difficult to do, and we'd have no ability to test out what we want to do before we do it. Not to mention said heroes are probably utterly insane, and their powers reduced if not outright gone. It's something I to would love to see happen, but I'm not getting my expectations up.
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To be fair, they've all been driven insane by now; even if we can't separate them, killing them would be a merc-ohcrap we have to deal with the shard. If we kill the host without giving it a place to jump to, it's entirely possible that they could just... sit there. Forever.

Shit.
 
CaesriusPolybius said:
To be fair, they've all been driven insane by now; even if we can't separate them, killing them would be a merc-ohcrap we have to deal with the shard. If we kill the host without giving it a place to jump to, it's entirely possible that they could just... sit there. Forever.

Shit.
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Well, it'd probably be either severed from its data of replicated minds, or outright destroyed. Either way, the people are still dead.
 
OK I have two links to add to the debate of dealing with the Slaughterhouse Nine:

The first is a link to the Death interlude in the Worm/Castlevania fanfic Queen of Blood: Queen of Blood (Worm/Castlevania) | Page 438

This chapter in the fanfic covers where each of the Nine end up after death and it works as a study of who each of the Nine (sans Cherish as she didn't get killed in this fic yet) are as persons.

The second link is to a page in the webcomic Goblins: Goblins » Archive » 06/24/2016

In it a paladin explains the difference between good and evil in thought and action.

I figured these two links would be useful for our discussions in this quest thread. Also I am aware that the Goblins page I linked to is a placeholder until the author puts up a shaded page. When the complete page goes up I'll edit the link.

Edit: The old goblins link is dead now and there isn't a new one yet. So I put up a general link to the webcomic as it is the latest page right now.

Edit 2: New link for the Goblins page. Should be the final version of the link. Let me know if it breaks so I can get new one placed.
 
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Dammit.
So here I am, writing an interlude that takes place between the latest chapter and the Guild's attempts on Skylance and/or Madame Lustucru... and as I flesh out the setting, I realize: I really want to write a story that's basically this quest seen through Taylor's eyes.
I mean, there's stuff going in Boston. It's got its own cape scene - its Protectorate, its Wards, its villains (who are by no means restricted to Accord's Ambassadors, Blasto, or the recent E88 arrival), and its legally-ambiguous parahumans.
But I seriously can't commit time to it. I already have had to promise myself not to write the chapter following the interlude before making some real progress on Saga of Soul, because that hiatus seriously needs to end yesterday. I have multiple My Little Pony projects going on. I have Worm: Time of Perils.
Frustrating.
 
sun tzu said:
Dammit.
So here I am, writing an interlude that takes place between the latest chapter and the Guild's attempts on Skylance and/or Madame Lustucru... and as I flesh out the setting, I realize: I really want to write a story that's basically this quest seen through Taylor's eyes.
I mean, there's stuff going in Boston. It's got its own cape scene - its Protectorate, its Wards, its villains (who are by no means restricted to Accord's Ambassadors, Blasto, or the recent E88 arrival), and its legally-ambiguous parahumans.
But I seriously can't commit time to it. I already have had to promise myself not to write the chapter following the interlude before making some real progress on Saga of Soul, because that hiatus seriously needs to end yesterday. I have multiple My Little Pony projects going on. I have Worm: Time of Perils.
Frustrating.
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You wanna give taylor some time? Have someone blindside avatar, we control taylor for a week while the world reels from avatar's death and then he shows up again
 
I'd rather see what's started finished. But if the muse strikes too hard just make it in the fiction area so you're not running two quests in one.
 
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